New 9/11 Evidence Points to Deep Saudi Complicity

[Nevilledog]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/05/september-11-attacks-saudi-arabia-lawsuit/678430/

No paywall link
https://archive.li/tnoqC

For more than two decades, through two wars and domestic upheaval, the idea that al-Qaeda acted alone on 9/11 has been the basis of U.S. policy. A blue-ribbon commission concluded that Osama bin Laden had pioneered a new kind of terrorist group—combining superior technological know-how, extensive resources, and a worldwide network so well coordinated that it could carry out operations of unprecedented magnitude. This vanguard of jihad, it seemed, was the first nonstate actor that rivaled nation-states in the damage it could wreak.

That assessment now appears wrong. And if our understanding of what transpired on 9/11 turns out to have been flawed, then the costly policies that the United States has pursued for the past quarter century have been rooted in a false premise.

The global War on Terror was based on a mistake.

A new filing in a lawsuit brought by the families of 9/11 victims against the government of Saudi Arabia alleges that al-Qaeda had significant, indeed decisive, state support for its attacks. Officials of the Saudi government, the plaintiffs’ attorneys contend, formed and operated a network inside the United States that provided crucial assistance to the first cohort of 9/11 hijackers to enter the country.

The 71-page document, released in redacted form earlier this month, summarizes what the plaintiffs say they’ve learned through the evidence obtained in discovery and recently declassified materials. They allege that Saudi officials—most notably Fahad al-Thumairy, an imam at a Los Angeles mosque and an accredited diplomat at Saudi Arabia’s consulate in that city, and Omar al-Bayoumi, who masqueraded as a graduate student but was identified by the FBI as an intelligence operative—were not rogue operators but rather the front end of a conspiracy that included the Saudi embassy in Washington and senior government officials in Riyadh.

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[Baitball Blogger]

1. All the clues lead in this direction.

[peppertree]

33. Among others

"Sometimes I feel this bad about what we did." "That much, huh?"

[czarjak]

88. Ignored knowns aren't unknown-knowns?

"You're either with us or you're against us." Bush's Brain is missing.

[peppertree]

90. True. We know there's a lot we don't know.

And sadly, we probably never will.

[citizen blues]

109. Agreed.

Another ignored known that will come out eventually will implicate Saudi in the funding of ISIS.

[HUAJIAO]

101. Fuck these guy's brains!

[Yoyoyo77]

113. Hey I'm big oil and I don't agree.

[peppertree]

140. And no wonder, Big Awl!

I can't help but think back on a political cartoon that came out in early '08 - when oil prices first breached $100 a barrel.

A big, fat Saudi sheikh is holding a newspaper with that headline - and looks up at the reader, sticks out his bejewelled (and very hairy) hand and says:

"You may kiss my ring."

And behind him, a nouveau-riche hayseed, whose Stetson hat has "Big Awl" printed on it, grins and says:

"And y'all can kiss my...."

[onecaliberal]

2. We already knew this. The terrorists were from Saudi Arabia.

[yagotme]

3. Yeah, I don't get it.

I heard YEARS ago that the Saudi's were connected. C'mon, Bin Laden financing? How much more connection do you need???

[Jacson6]

36. This is just the attorneys wanting to get a multi-million $ pay day. n/t

[yagotme]

66. "New" evidence.

Riiigggghhhhttt...

[Irish_Dem]

10. Yes we knew it from the beginning.

But it didn't fit the Bush/Cheney agenda.

[DENVERPOPS]

35. No Shit ID

The next day the media posted all of their pictures and country of origin.

AND the most mind boggling thing was in the Republican's previously published PNAC document, them saying, "Of course without something like a Pearl Harbor, happening it will take much longer" AND then Louis Freh (SP) ignoring and burying all the FBI agents sending in memos about all the Mid-Easterners training at Flight schools across the nation, and the flight schools were also reporting on these individuals were only being interested in *how to FLY the planes". (Most instruction is on the take offs and landings). There is no question that Louis Freh and the Republicans were complicit in allowing the whole thing to happen.......

In reality it wasn't the *Bush/Cheney.*.......WBush was just a brainless former Cocaine/Alcoholic. Just a pawn.
Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc were truly running things............(As a side note: a person I know owns a chain of addiction treatment facilities. When I asked her about W's weird speech and malaprops, she said. We don't see that with Alcoholics or Cocaine addicts, only when there was a massive use of both Alcohol/Cocaine at the same time).........

Most interesting was the fact that the W admin were also the same players in the Reagan years.
HW/Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc were running everything in the Reagan period, and were all complicit in Treason to get Reagan "appointed"
in the white house.......It was critical to get HW installed after Reagan......There were over a hundred of the Reagan admin who were under indictment, and the first thing HW didl was to Pardon the whole bunch of them.........

No one has seemed to connect the common theme of involvement through out that 40 years of those same individuals:
HWBush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Etc..............

[BigMin28]

40. Old man Bush

Pardoned Oliver North and the whole lot of them. The investigation was getting close to the VP's office. The pardons shut down the investigations. All on the advice of Bill Barr.

[Hekate]

43. Every so often after 9-11 some group photo from the Reagan years would pop up, & if the names were attached

…my jaw would drop. The names of the Brooks Brothers Rioters didn't mean anything to me until much later, when the little bastards started getting SCOTUS appointments and the like.

Most interesting was the fact that the W admin were also the same players in the Reagan years.
HW/Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc were running everything in the Reagan period, and were all complicit in Treason to get Reagan "appointed"
in the white house.......It was critical to get HW installed after Reagan......There were over a hundred of the Reagan admin who were under indictment, and the first thing HW didl was to Pardon the whole bunch of them.........

No one has seemed to connect the common theme of involvement through out that 40 years of those same individuals:
HWBush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Etc..............

[Irish_Dem]

56. I know it is mind boggling.

We see the pictures, identifies and country of origin of the Saudi hijackers.
And Bush so conveniently helps high Saudi officials immediately escape.

We are told Iraq needs to be invaded in retaliation. When you know there are
only a few counties in the world that could totally fool the CIA and our allies like Mossad
and MI6. And Iraq is not one of them.

Yes I agree, Bush is a serious alcoholic, the cocaine doesn't surprise me either.
I don't think I ever saw him sober in his TV appearances. He presented like someone who is a long
time drug abuser but can fake it enough to get by.

Cheney ran the show. The press euphemistically referred to this situation as Cheney
being a very strong VP when in reality he was it.

Yes good description. Same players, HW/Cheney/Rumsfeld. They were not finished with their power and money grab.

How does Liz Cheney fit into your narrative? Is she angry that another group hopped onto her father's power grab? Or is she a Cheney with some character? Maybe hoping to be the leader of the old GOP if it ever comes back?

[FoxNewsSucks]

71. "How does Liz Cheney fit into your narrative? Is she angry that another group hopped onto her father's power grab"

That's what I've always thought.

The crazies are actually getting in the way of, and have taken over from, the "establishment" republicon crime family. She's as vile as her father, her animosity toward the MAGAts and their orange god has nothing to do with patriotism.

If I read right elsewhere, she protected all the other republicons while serving on the J6 committee.

[Irish_Dem]

72. Yes some sort of deal was cut.

Liz would go after Trump, but the members of congress involved in J6 were to be protected.

This could align with your theory, she is preserving her base of support so she
can come to power and carry on her father's legacy.

[DENVERPOPS]

75. Not sure about her

The thing that bothers me about all of these late "Awakened" people, is that many, in fact, assisted in getting Trump in, and supported him for four plus years.......... Every day, every week, every month, every year, non-stop for YEARS, and still going strong.......
Same with his band of merry MAGGOT voters................

If it hadn't been for them, and the corrupted/complicit Republican Senators, Trump wouldn't have made it a week in office before getting impeached...............

People ask, why all the Republican Senators were in lockstep with Trump......Putin was laundering massive amounts of Russian Oligarchs money, for Campaign Donations, thru the NRA to support Trump.........MASSIVE............I have to believe that mucho was also given to Republican Senators, and Republican State Governors..... Trump/Putin simply told all of those Senators who had received all the corrupt Russian campaign money, If Trump goes down, so will you.....

Putin had been collecting Kompromat on countless up and coming individuals for decades. I doubt he had anything on Liz Cheney, so wasn't able to control her............I found it most interesting that *Daddy Cheney* didn't come out and support his daughter once.......
(He is in fact, one of the most black hearted, evil , son of a bitches ever.......)

Did you catch the literally overnight flip by Lindsay Graham? He was outspoken about Trump continuously. Then he was invited by Trump to come up and visit him one weekend. He suddenly became all in for Trump on Monday, even speaking FOR Trump at the first impeachment. He probably was shown an 8 x 10 Color Glossy of him with...........?????? Now, I have to figure that it has been shown that the Republican Voters don't give a shit about any of their politicians being gay, just not publicly "coming out".......They also don't give a damn about flings and affairs......in fact they are given a star for doing that........So I wonder what photo they showed to little Lindsay that if released publicly, would show Republicans something creepy enough for him to get detested by most Republican Voters......and I can only think of ONE thing.............

At any rate, so much will be revealed in the future about what really went on during the last 40+ years, I only wish I would be alive to see it slowly unfold. Of course, if Trump is elected, EVERY LAST THING will be destroyed forever, and especially the entire National Archives, FBI files, DOJ files, any National Intelligence files, and any witness accounts. I am certain that that is why it is so imperative for the Republicans to stop at nothing to get him into office this time around......

Please excuse my rambling on and on, Irish......sorry........Please keep in touch.........Denver Pops

[Irish_Dem]

81. Yes all of them.

Nicole Wallace, Steve Schmidt, Liz Cheney.
All those who worked directly for Trump during the campaign and when Trump was in the WH.

I do believe people can change and I think that Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt are working
hard to make up for the harm they did. I like both of them.

Steve I think would go back to being a Republican quite easily.
I don't think Nicole would do so.

The answer is simple and obvious why members of congress defended Trump so readily.
I have said this since the beginning.

They were not defending Trump as much as they were defending themselves.
They had received Russian money and help just like Trump did.

Yes Dick Cheney made so much money committing crimes while VP, Liz didn't need to take money from Putin.
So she is a free agent. Yes Dick Cheney is an example of evil. Of course now evil in politics is the norm.

Yes he didn't support his daughter in public. Maybe he disapproved.

Yes I am sure Putin has used carrot and stick to install his puppets into the US and European governments.
He has done quite well, his puppets are everywhere.
Cash, help "winning" elections, threats, blackmail.

He is an old KGB agent. We can assume he uses the usual tricks of the trade.

Yes some of us have been discussing the obvious public flip flopping of various members of congress.
Including Lindsay Graham. Are they being threatened, blackmailed, bribed?
I suspect there is something off with Lindsay. Maybe booze, which doesn't help the situation.

Yes Lindsay has some secrets. The obvious ones of course. I am not sure that would
turn off GOP voters.

But I think there may be another scandalous secret that cannot see the light of day.
I have long thought it was highly possible Lindsay had a relationship with someone that would
make quite a story.

I think if we really knew the truth about the GOP over the last 40 years it would break our hearts
to hear all their dirty tricks.

Some of it we will never know. It is classified. Especially when it comes to Trump and his minions.

Good point, maybe some of the documents Trump stole were for the purpose od destroying historical records.
Yes I think you are right, some of history records will go into the fireplace if Trump gets back into power.

You are not rambling, you are making good points.

[Charging Triceratops]

126. Superb analysis

Thank you for that!

[yardwork]

129. Good point about Lindsey Graham: maybe it's the other guy, not Lindsey.

I hadn't thought of that. Somebody who had a relationship with Lindsey that would not want it public.

[k55f5r]

130. Do you really think that Linsey Graham would

give a snit about anyone other that himself?

Nah. Not happening.

[mopinko]

132. they cd b threatening him.

we know he is a coward.

[yardwork]

133. Definitely not, but if somebody very powerful cares..

[Irish_Dem]

138. Lindsay has deteriorated considerably.

More erratic, unpredictable, flip flopping.
Not making rational sense.

Several factors may be in play.

[yardwork]

121. I don't trust Liz Cheney or any of the former Reagan/W people.

It actually goes back to the Nixon administration. His administration recovered from Watergate with a new strategy: a straight line of installing telegenic "aw shucks" puppets in the White House who were controlled by clever, power-hungry men. They make their money from war.

Along comes Trump - a low-class carnival barker from Queens with a different schtick. He gets elected somehow and suddenly they have a serious rival. Trump makes his money from real estate money laundering and (I suspect) human trafficking. The Bush-Cheney people aren't happy.

[NoSheep]

64. And back then, you were put in a dark hole if you dared discuss that

Thank you for bringing the truth back to the light.

[DENVERPOPS]

79. BINGO, NS NC

[Irish_Dem]

82. Bush's torture chambers were a crime against humanity.

He got off scot free, no consequences for his many crimes.

[Charging Triceratops]

127. An the media were all either complicit of duped

The country has been a mess for decades.

[B.See]

85. No one has seemed to connect the common theme of involvement through out that 40 years of those same individuals:

I think Thom Hartman touched upon it:

Why Has America Tolerated Six Illegitimate GOP Presidents? by Thom Hartman.

[Irish_Dem]

115. Yes Trump is just the logical conclusion.

Illegitimate GOP presidents who commit high crimes.

[bobalew]

116. It actually goes back much further....

Remember the botched rescue attempt of the Iran hostages? The very same people from the shamed & convicted Nixon administration were responsible for sabotaging that mission, and then provided the legacy to all the dirty tricks we’ve seen up to this very day, apparently one long conspiracy of hellish, unprincipled subterfuge of democracy.

[Bettie]

111. That's what I thought

it's been clear for a long time, as you said, since the beginning.

[Cosmocat]

14. 15 of the 18

I had MANY go rounds with idiot wingers about Iraq, who were blabbering what they were brainwashed to say that Iraq/Saddam was behind 9-11 by saying 15 of the 18 hijackers were from SA and they all would just, THAT DOESN"T PROVE ANYTHING!

[DENVERPOPS]

96. The reality was

that Iraq was a dictatorship, but a stable everyday one.........a nation we could easily watch, and had no grandiose plans.

The SOLE reason we went there was Cheney. Period. His previous employment was Halliburton Oil. He had his eyes on all that oil in Iraq. At the time, Cheney and Six? other oil companies divied up Iraq deciding who got what in the country. As an extra bonus, Cheney was able to convince the powers to be to let Halliburton supply, build and maintain all facilities for those in combat. They made a fortune off that little adventure as a separate profit center.......Halliburton manned it with the lowest paid, lowest quality personnel they could find, and billed it out at astronomical costs, and therefore massive profits......

[Cosmocat]

107. Yep

Spot on w 1st paragraph and I agree w Cheney's influence with it, but W had major oedipal issues w his dad that made him want to prove his dad was wrong not to "see it through" w Iraq.

[Martin68]

50. The fact that the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia does not mean they had the backing of the Saudi government.

[Aristus]

78. They didn't have the backing of the Iraqi government, either.

And yet, here we are.

[Martin68]

99. I was responding to onecaliblral who wrote, " We already knew this. The terrorists were from Saudi Arabia."

I'm not sure why you are referencing Iraq, Aristus.

[Aristus]

106. Bush and Cheney managed to convince enough people the Iraq was responsible

for 9/11 to make the rationale for invading Iraq plausible.

[Martin68]

118. I believe the main rationale for the invasion of Iraq was imaginary weapons of mass destruction. Afghanistan was invaded

based on the Taliban's support for Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, who actually did plan the attacks.

[Grins]

110. YES! Doesn't anyone remember "Fahrenheit 9/11?"

The documentary by Michael Moore? That came out TWENTY YEARS ago in 2004?

[Farmer-Rick]

119. Yeah, exactly

That's why W flew out the Saudi officials. 142 people from Saudi, including members of the Bin Laden family, were given special permission to fly out of the United States two days after 9/11. The rest of the country was forbidden to fly.

W and the Saudi's were in it together.

[librechik]

4. The Atlantic is an excellent source

not surprised by this new evidence. Except that it's been hidden so long.

Yup, hope died that day. For me at least.

[FakeNoose]

15. The evidence may have been hidden, but it was suspected by a lot of us

I still think BOTH Bushes (Jr. and Sr.) were responsible for blocking the investigation into Saudi complicity.

[Ritabert]

59. How about the bin Laden family being allowed to leave the US?

[FakeNoose]

74. If the Bin Laden family members were in on it, they would have left the US before the attack

It's likely the Saudi royal family knew about the attack beforehand, and some may have helped to plan it. I'm not so sure about the Bin Ladens, simply because several were here when it happened.

Who paid for it, all the planning, recruiting and training the pilots etc.? I highly doubt Osama Bin Laden paid for it all himself.

And yes, George HW Bush was doing business with the Bin Ladens and with the Saudi royal family.

[DENVERPOPS]

97. The fact that they left immediately

was suspicious. The only way they got caught was some reporters seeing their planes in the skies. No Aircraft Were Flying The Next morning, except for those planes, not even military ones.........

[Mme. Defarge]

51. Wish I could read the entire article.

[NoSheep]

68. There is a link to it with no pay wall

[Mme. Defarge]

83. Great!

Thanks.

[underpants]

5. I've always thought they had to be. There's only one conspiracy theory I've entertained about 9/11

There were experienced pilots among the 19. Probably with fake names.

I heard Michael Moore propose this. It wasn’t because HE said it but because he said people who’d know said that it’s highly unlikely for three people to fly planes that precisely with only computer simulations and in air training on much smaller planes. The Pentagon was a center punch. It sadly didn’t skip or miss high at all.

As we remember during that time almost anything seen as second guessing anything could get someone accused of siding with the terrorists. No one wanted that but I do remember a post here from a source I don’t remember in which experienced 747 pilots said it takes a lot of hours to be that exact including the sharp turns of the ones that hit the towers. Almost impossible for a novice.

The conclusion was that it was probably Saudi trained or recruited pilots.

Alert if you want but that’s what I think.

[Hekate]

38. This, underpants

[DENVERPOPS]

42. Actually

these individuals were enrolled in Flight Training Schools here in America...............

The OWNERS of these flight training schools REPORTED TO THE FBI, countless times, months before 9/11, that they were observing a number of the mid-eastern students were taking flight training. The flight school owners pointed out that MOST interestingly, none of those students were interested on learning about the take offs and landings, but only in how to fly the plane.( Take offs and landings are about 80% of the curriculum)

These FBI agents REPEATEDLY sent High Priority alerts to Louis Freh? (sp), the head of the FBI.......He discarded the memo's and/or covered up the matter........

[underpants]

54. I remember that

and as I said much smaller planes.

[yardwork]

122. This article appears to back you up.

I don't remember hearing the experienced pilots theory at the time but it makes sense.

Another piece of circumstantial evidence: why did W stop looking for Osama bin Laden? At the time I assumed it was because W wanted to invade Iraq instead. But if the Saudis were deeply involved in planning 9/11, the W admin couldn't dare actually take OBL into custody and interrogate him.

[underpants]

125. The OBL cocktail

Two shots and a splash of water

[LymphocyteLover]

136. the guy who supposedly piloted flight 77 into the Pentagon could barely fly a Cessna. So yeah, makes sense.

[Nictuku]

6. RIP Senator Bob Graham

He knew, but he was silenced from reporting to the public what he heard in the classified briefings. He wrote a book about it.

https://www.amazon.com/Intelligence-Matters-Arabia-Failure-Americas/dp/0700616268

No one was held accountable. We have photos of Bush holding the Saudi' Princes' hand in such a touching moment. We had Trump go to Saudi Arabia as his first international trip as President. God forbid he gets in again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/world/middleeast/florida-ex-senator-pursues-claims-of-saudi-ties-to-sept-11-attacks.html

[colorado_ufo]

23. I would bet $2 billion they were behind this.

[suegeo]

139. Saudi family from Sarasota Florida vanishes weeks before the GOP allows the 911 attacks

[link:https://floridaphoenix.com/2018/11/15/chasing-the-saudi-governments-connection-to-a-sarasota-gated-community-and-the-9-11-attacks-bob-graham-doggedly-chases-the-truth/|]

An important family of Saudi citizens suddenly left their home and cars in a gated Sarasota subdivision just two weeks before September 11, 2001, the day nearly 3,000 Americans died in the worst terrorist attack ever launched in the United States.

Graham was chairman of the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee and co-chairman of a joint congressional committee that investigated the attacks. The Committee heard about the Saudis who were on airplanes, but was not told about the Sarasota family that had been visited repeatedly by some of the Saudi pilots who took over those airplanes filled with passengers and crashed them into buildings.

That information came to Graham and others from a report in the FloridaBulldog.org, a South Florida nonprofit news organization.

Graham was flabbergasted to learn from a reporter in September 2011 that the FBI had compiled a report on the Sarasota family. That report that was never given to members of the joint committee investigating the attack. The FBI initially denied the existence of reports on the Sarasota connection

My re-collection was that hi-jackers Atta and Ziad Jarrah visited this Saudi family.

The family ups and vanishes 2 weeks before the republicans don't/won't warn Americans about pending attacks on US soil. Refrigerator stocked. Computer missing. Cars still in the driveway. kids toys floating in the pool.

The FBI lies/omits to Senator Graham. WTF are they still hiding?

[OMGWTF]

7. Duh!

[surfered]

29. You took the word right out of my mouth.

[markodochartaigh]

8. Unlike Trump, who declassifies documents

by moving them to the bathroom, President Biden has been declassifying documents on 9/11 the correct way.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/12/1036389448/biden-declassifies-secret-fbi-report-detailing-saudi-nationals-connections-to-9-

[Hekate]

37. Once again, God bless Joe

[rubbersole]

9. What's always flummoxed me...

...was the dream/plan of PNAC (Project for a New American Century) sure benefitted the most from the 9/11 attack. "A Pearl Harbor type event" was necessary to accomplish their government consolidation outline. Just coincidence? History should tell us. The conspiracy promoters will keep this whole event going forever.

[CaptainTruth]

34. LIHOP

[Mme. Defarge]

52. LIHOP

At the very least. . .

[Wounded Bear]

100. I've always believed LIHOP since the beginning...

The sense of shock from Dubya, et al. was not that they attacked, it was at how big the attack was. They knew something was coming, and they ignored the many signs of it as it developed. They just thought is would be a simple bombing at another embassy compound or something, not the ambitious all attack that happened.

[DENVERPOPS]

47. Read my post

I explain what was going on at the time re: PNAC and the complicity that was involved by the Head of the FBI at the time, making 9/11 happen............It was in SOME of the Media at the time.......but hushed up quickly....

[Sky Jewels]

11. Didn't we all know this on, like, the afternoon of the 11th?

Dubya letting the Saudis scurry home, the only ones allowed to fly, should have been a big clue.

[colorado_ufo]

24. Damn big clue.

[NoSheep]

94. This one is so important. Yes, we did know very quickly ad there was an entire culture against pointing out the obvious.

Those who say “no one put this together”….i just have to shake my head.

[TheRickles]

117. The other big clue was that an intact passport of the pilot Mohammed Atta was found amid all the the pulverized rubble.

Last edited Wed May 22, 2024, 01:27 AM - Edit history (1)

Obviously a plant, yet it worked.

[Sky Jewels]

141. I remember that.

So fake. And people bit.

[catbyte]

12. Heck, we've known that since 2002.

[jalan48]

13. Well, it was a $6 Trillion mistake that was a real money maker for some folks.

[DENVERPOPS]

80. Do you remember

When Rumsfeld stood in front of the cameras in the run up to the war and said:

It would only cost 3 Billion, last three days, and the Iraq people would re-pay us the 3 Billion???????????

Then they showed us a photo of a worn out antique, abandoned old crop sprayer in a field, and told us it was proof of them having weapons of mass destruction....???? Totally laughable.......

The amount of purely laughable Bullshit spread by them in the run up to the Iraq war, would fertilize the entire earth......

And the ignorant, un-educated, citizens in the U.S. bought it all........

[jalan48]

92. Yes, I remember how they sold it and how the media supported the Bush Administration's decision to go to war..

It really was frightening to see how easily the public fell in line, like sheep being led out to pasture.

[DENVERPOPS]

95. Yea,

first they did that "head fake" and said they were going to afghanistan, and some how changed course and headed for Iraq......

The U.S. Military used up all their OLD shells, misses, and ammo. And the Military Industrial Complex restocked the U.S. arsenal to the tune of a Trillion or so.......

All of those purchases by the U.S. Government were routed thru a middle man corporation, who inflated the prices dramatically. I researched the middle man, and it turned out that it was the Carlisle? Group, and the Chairman of the Board of that company from the time he left office was none other than HWBush. Little info was available, due to it being a privately held corporation......However, it is composed of 602 U.S. Millionaires........Imagine that.................

[jalan48]

112. I think I read Tony Blair joined the Carlyle group as well.

[PatSeg]

105. And anyone who questioned the Bush administration,

was accused of being unpatriotic. Almost all of the media became very right-wing overnight and Bush/Cheney could do no wrong. This would be when many of us found Democratic Underground.

[FakeNoose]

16. K & R Bookmarked - must read!

Thanks Nevilledog

[Nevilledog]

21. ...

[BoRaGard]

17. Republican Legacy Wanker in White House FAILED to do his job

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[Hekate]

46. That assessment depends on how he and Cheney defined his "job"

[Botany]

18. And less than 1 week after 9/11 w bush met with Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar whose wife was ...

…. was paying for the room and board along with flying lessons for three of the hijackers. w and the
Saudi ambassador shared coffee and cigars on the White House balcony on the first weekend after
9/11. w was also told on 8/6 about bin Laden’s plan to hijack planes and attack Washington D.C. and
NYC via a CIA Presidential Daily Briefing too.

[Hekate]

30. Bandar was so close with the Bush Family that Barbara Bush called him "Bandar Bush" ...

Isn’t that tender?

[Botany]

65. August 6th 2001 P.D.B. This 9/11 was no surprise to w bush and Cheney

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US_%28August_2001%29.pdf

[surfered]

19. "The global war on terror was a based on a mistake."

Already new that.

[Ford_Prefect]

41. It wasn't based on a mistake. It was based on a well crafted lie supported by those who saw Carter's attempts at peace

in the middle east as an amateur attempting diplomacy in the face of the overwhelming greed embodied in the international Oil and Arms cartels. The Saudis wanted Iraq out of the oil market. The Arms makers wanted to continue very lucrative arms sales based on Middle East instability. The Neo-Cons wanted to expand the American Empire. Some of the US Generals saw this as their last chance to advance based on combat. It wasn't a perfect storm of an intelligence failure. It was a carefully crafted shift in US policy and action enabled by a political coup and based on an enormous lie.

[DENVERPOPS]

48. EXCELLENT FP NC

[surfered]

69. Believing Judith Miller at the NY Times, fed lies by Scooter Libby,

…then Bush Admin officials go on the Sunday Talk Shows saying, “It’s not us telling you Saddam has WMD, it’s The NY Times.”

And believing Condoleeza Rice when she said, “We don’t want the smoking cloud to be the smoking gun”

Believing them was the mistake.

[Dan]

20. Increasingly to me it seems that we the people are nothing but pawns

To the Rich, high government officials and the celebrities that we fawn over.

Our kids are sent to die while the same above people children stay home.

Maybe, we the people are fighting the wrong people…

Thinking, thinking…

[rurallib]

57. been that way since we climbed down from the trees

[Celerity]

76. ...

Viagra Boys - Troglodyte (Official Video)

Viagra Boys are a Swedish post-punk band from Stockholm. The band formed in 2015, with several members coming from the bands Les Big Byrd, Pig Eyes and Nitad. In 2018, they released their debut album Street Worms. Nils Hansson, a journalist at the newspaper Dagens Nyheter described the band favorably, praising their musical style, as well as their use of black humor and satire, and rated the album a five out of five.

Label: Year0001 – YR0164LP, Year0001 – YR0164
Format: Vinyl, LP, Album
Country: Worldwide
Released: 7 Jul 2022
Genre: Rock
Style: Punk, Post-Punk

[keithbvadu2]

87. They play hard rock?

[Celerity]

89. punk/post punk, with electro influences, plus that sax

Viagra Boys - live at Lowlands 2023

A Campingflight to Lowlands Paradise (commonly called Lowlands or Lowlands Festival), is an annual three-day music and performing arts festival, held in the Netherlands. The festival is held 68 kilometres (42 mi) east of Amsterdam in Biddinghuizen, at Spijk en Bremerberg, which is adjacent to Walibi Holland.

Viagra Boys was formed in Stockholm in 2015 by members active in other bands such as Nine, Les Big Byrd, Pig Eyes, Nitad, and Neu-Ronz. Lead singer Sebastian Murphy is the only foreign-born member of the group, being an American from San Rafael, California, who moved to Stockholm to live with his aunt at the age of 17. His mother is from Sweden and he grew up speaking Swedish. A heavy drug and alcohol addict at the time, Murphy worked as a tattoo artist and met the other band members while performing Mariah Carey's song "We Belong Together" at a karaoke night. Murphy is the chief songwriter of the band.

[LT Barclay]

102. A deep hole, but if you want more read Chris Hedges and Danny Sjursen.

Also The Imperial Cruise by Tom Bradley, and L. Fletcher Prouty's book on JFK assassination.

We the People have been highjacked.

[ToxMarz]

22. The assesment wasn't wrong based on what they had

But the evidence' was hidden or deliberate misinformation was pushed. Newly declassifed military documents are not 'new evidence', and the War on Terror was not based on a mistake, it was just sold to the public that way. The military who fought the War on Terror had this information.

[surfered]

25. In Vietnam, we got in the middle of a civil war. In Iraq, we unleashed one.

[Warpy]

26. Oh, we knew. Most of us always knew

It was the way Occam's Razor was slicing: the nearly unlimited funding, the nationalities of most of the players, the involvement of bin Laden and his mob. We knew a faction within the royal family had to be involved up to their eyeballs, bin Laden was nowhere near wealthy enough and lacked the ability to carry out such a large scale attack. Suicide bombers weree more his speed, killing mostly fellow Muslims.

Knowing it and proving it were two different things.

Eventually more will be known when all the players are safely dead.

[Hekate]

27. Ya think?! Damnation.

[sakabatou]

31. No shit

I've known this after Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11

[JohnSJ]

32. This isn't news

[CaptainTruth]

39. Before it happened we knew about the 2 hijackers at the FL flight school...

...both from Saudi Arabia, receiving regular payments from SA to pay for their apartment, clothes, etc, & who were only interested in learning how to take off in large jets, not how to land. That was so suspicious they were reported to the FBI.

The PNAC (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton etc) needed their "new Pearl Harbor" to use as an excuse to invade the Middle East so they let it happen on purpose (LIHOP), that's the real scandal.

[Seinan Sensei]

123. FBI had been informed

But AG John Ashcroft's attention was elsewhere.
Like on covering-up the boob on DOJ's Spirit of Justice statue

[marybourg]

44. And they are still among us, stirring up sh*t.

[Richard D]

45. Well, doesn't this get . . .

. . . the "Well Duh" award of the millennium.

[Joinfortmill]

49. And then the Trumps/Kushners giving them

God knows what, including Khashoggi.

[RobinA]

53. Was I Supposed

to be thinking that al-Qaeda acted alone all this time? I had no idea.

[Paladin]

55. Vastly unsurprising. (nt)

[sagetea]

58. That day was..

the first and last time I ever watched f0x 'news', it was captivating and I now understand how the incurious of this country got hooked on that news station.

I believe a lot of the Russia problems began at that time as well. Bush and Putin walking out of Camp David, hung over and/or drunk. Chills ran up my arms, seriously!

sage

[Buckeyeblue]

60. We were never going to complete military strikes on SA

We thought we wanted Sadam out of Iraq. And Afghanistan was to show that we were trying to get Bin Ladin.

The whole reaction to 9-11 was a waste of lives, money and time. And because of that, I still say that W was worse than Trump (but not by much).

[ismnotwasm]

61. New?

I thought it was pretty clear

[orwell]

62. Anybody who took any time...

...reading the post 9/11 materials suspected this rather quickly.

This has been my working theory for decades. It is even more revealed in the present global maelstrom, now that the Fascist Right attempts final chessboard control through it's many proxies.

The US Intelligence officials surely knew this before the attack. The question then becomes, why did they want this to happen?

There actually is a "deep state". We see it in action right before us with a RW unaccountable supreme court, minority conservative domination of media, finance, intelligence, climate policy, monetary policy, international policy. Nothing changes when it comes to monopoly global capital's control over the world's current suicide mission towards Blade Runner 2050.

"The left" has never controlled "the deep state". That premise is laughable. It has always been Monopoly Capital.

And the rest of us monkeys just clap our cymbals together and dance...

[SamKnause]

63. Duh. We know.

The war on terror was a mistake. Are you fucking kidding me ???

We knew.

Fucking criminals.

[Think. Again.]

67. Getting closer....closer.......

[returnee]

70. Well, f**king DUH!!

The official story if 9/11 is a lie.

[Solly Mack]

73. You don't say!

[Aristus]

77. The War on Terror was not based on a mistake, but a willful ignoring of the evidence.

George W. Bush wanted an easy war to shore up his re-election prospects. And he couldn’t have one with friends-of-the-family, the Sau’uds. Certainly not as they are the caretakers of the two holiest sites in Islam.

So he (or his puppeteers, at any rate) chose a seemingly weak nation that was easy for the American people to hate, and whom we had already defeated in a highly popular and television-friendly war.

[dalton99a]

84. .

[Skittles]

86. you mean MORE evidence

remind me again why we attacked Afghanistan?

[TBF]

91. "New"? lol ... MIHOP and out of it we got the Patriot Act. nt

[Kid Berwyn]

93. Yeah. And who ran the Saudis?

Betcha it’s the same people who allowed the Bin Ladens and Saudi nationals living in the USA to fly out of the country without being questioned post-9/11 when no one else could fly.

[niyad]

98. NSS. . . Most of us here knew that from the beginning. One small

detail off the top of my head (if correct) . 15 of the 19 hijackers had saudi passports.

24 Years, trillions of dollars, millions of lives lost or impacted on all sides. PATRIOT ACT. halliburton and the rest of the war machine enriched. .

Shaking my head in absolute disgust.

[NBachers]

103. The Democrats united behind Bush; if it had been a Democratic President, the pukes would've impaled him or her.

[HUAJIAO]

104. Anybody with a brain knew this on 9/12/2001 !!!

Jesus

[HandmaidsTaleUntold]

108. Duh. The Terrorist State

They needed to be spanked hard.

[BlueMTexpat]

114. From the most fanatic,

of course!

[yardwork]

120. It was not a mistake. It was deliberate.

I remember how W instantly defended the Saudis and got a bunch of Saudis out of the country days after 9/11, when all other flights were grounded. I remember the glossy pull-out brochure that Saudi Arabia ran in Newsweek after 9/11, taunting their friendship with the U.S.

We knew the invasion of Iraq was a total scam.

[TomWilm]

124. Too many here are just repeating all their debunked crackpot theories ...

... without using a few minutes to check, if some other new evidence from the last twenty years might make it a much better idea just to stay quiet. Bin Laden family was evacuated while nobody else was allowed to fly. NOPE. I was planning to list more of that garbage, but nobody cares anyway...

Opportunity knocked and this was the chosen excuse to start decades of stupid wars. Please focus on that aftermath, because this is far more important for the world than all the books full of made up rumors. Those Middle East dictators has been fully armed and supported ever since - and this keeps on going on. WHY?

As a wise man finally admitted: "When America experienced the hell of 9/11, we felt enraged as well. While we sought and got justice, we made mistakes. So, I cautioned the government of Israel not to be blinded by rage."

[HarryM]

128. I can probably say only one thing

Without getting banned, or some other thing.
That would be, "Follow the money."
All you have to do is follow the money, to see who is responsible.

[JT45242]

131. Never forget OSama Bin Laden was related to and tightly linked to the Saudi royal family and its $$$

If you follow the money, there wree members of the royal family sending $$ to bin Laden and his plans.

Far enough from King Fahd to have plausible deniability but ...follow the money, follow the money, follwo the money.

[LymphocyteLover]

135. and so was GW Bush

[LymphocyteLover]

134. NO SHIT!!!! Arrgghhhhh

but of course, our great ally has oil and thus great amounts of money to influence us. It's so evil.

[mopinko]

137. like i asked at the time- what did the prez know, and when did he know it?