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pintobean

(18,101 posts)
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 09:44 AM Dec 2014

Video released by St Louis County - Berkeley shooting (updated)

It freezes with the young man's arm extended, presumably holding a gun.

Published on Dec 24, 2014

Surveillance video from officer-involved shooting in Berkeley, Missouri. This video shows the suspect pointing a gun at the officer.
More information on the incident:
At approximately 11:15 PM on December 23, 2014, a police officer with the City of Berkeley was conducting a routine business check at the Mobile Gas Station located at 6800 N. Hanley when he observed two male subjects on the side of the building. The Berkeley Police Officer exited his vehicle and approached the subjects when one of the men pulled a handgun and pointed it at the officer. Fearing for his life, the Berkeley Officer fired several shots, striking the subject, fatally wounding him. The second subject fled the scene. The Berkeley Police Department requested the St. Louis County Police Department's Crimes Against Persons Unit to handle the investigation. St. Louis County Police Detectives have recovered the deceased subject's handgun at the scene. At this time, I cannot confirm the identity of the deceased subject. The investigation is on-going and further details will follow as they become available.




Here's a cropped screen cap:

To the right of the 9, you can see the extended arm holding something.
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Video released by St Louis County - Berkeley shooting (updated) (Original Post) pintobean Dec 2014 OP
I wonder why the cop was stopping them in the first place. morningfog Dec 2014 #1
according the the just completed news conference Sherman A1 Dec 2014 #2
He had a body camera but he was not wearing it exboyfil Dec 2014 #3
Intentionally left his body camera! FIRE HIM NOW Taitertots Dec 2014 #5
I can't say it is premeditated murder exboyfil Dec 2014 #6
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #7
Well, that escalated quickly. nt DawgHouse Dec 2014 #8
It escalated to a reasonable level Taitertots Dec 2014 #16
They also are not pulling the dashboard cam video either!!! Nah, reasonable escalation uponit7771 Dec 2014 #17
so not wearing his camera is a murder conviction without trial? backwoodsbob Dec 2014 #20
WOOOOOOOOOWWWWW! Had a body cam, decided NOT to wear it, kills a person... FREAKIN WOW uponit7771 Dec 2014 #13
Kick for added info and pic pintobean Dec 2014 #4
This is not another Michael Brown or Eric Garner case. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #9
can you tell what is in his hand? stick, gun, phone, blob? it all looks fuzzy to me uppityperson Dec 2014 #10
No, but we need to be careful about which incidents we raise a stink about. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #11
Starting to look VERY MUCH like that, cop was assigned body cam and didn't wear it. there's no proof uponit7771 Dec 2014 #14
Why the fuck would they freeze it at the most important part? 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #12
Because the pics they have put out shows the supposed gun on the other side of the car!! uponit7771 Dec 2014 #15
Update Witness's Girlfriend said the police messed with him for no reason... uponit7771 Dec 2014 #18
I can't imagine pintobean Dec 2014 #19

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
2. according the the just completed news conference
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 09:48 AM
Dec 2014

the officer was called to the Mobil station for a reported stealing, more details will be released later when they become available.

exboyfil

(17,867 posts)
3. He had a body camera but he was not wearing it
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 09:50 AM
Dec 2014

Irrespective of what actually happened in this case, officers must be held accountable for not using their body cams.

It appears that he may be fortunate in having the security footage from the store.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/24/man-shot-killed-berkeley/20849045/

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
5. Intentionally left his body camera! FIRE HIM NOW
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:25 AM
Dec 2014

He intentionally left the camera = premeditated murder.

exboyfil

(17,867 posts)
6. I can't say it is premeditated murder
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:29 AM
Dec 2014

but I do agree that he needs to be disciplined just like any officer who does not wear their camera irrespective of whether there is an incident or not. Audits should be in place for verification of compliance. Also, like in civil trials in which documents are destroyed when they are under subpoena, presumption should shift to the officer having to prove they acted in a lawful fashion. Being an LEO should carry obligations as well as the right to use force in the performance of their job.

Response to Taitertots (Reply #5)

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
16. It escalated to a reasonable level
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:12 PM
Dec 2014

Intentionally ignoring procedure = Reasonable grounds for termination
Intentionally ignoring procedure and killing someone = Reasonable grounds for murder charges

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
20. so not wearing his camera is a murder conviction without trial?
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 03:10 PM
Dec 2014

I thought this was a progressive site...not a kneejerk go with the crowd site?

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
11. No, but we need to be careful about which incidents we raise a stink about.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:49 AM
Dec 2014

Because if it turns out it was a gun, we'll look like a bunch of fools and the boot lickers will smugly rub our faces in it.

There's plenty of incidents in which unarmed black men and women are murdered by police for no reason.

Plenty.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
14. Starting to look VERY MUCH like that, cop was assigned body cam and didn't wear it. there's no proof
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:54 PM
Dec 2014

... that there was a gun involved and it seems like the Kid was an honor student

We'll see

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
15. Because the pics they have put out shows the supposed gun on the other side of the car!!
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:56 PM
Dec 2014

...also

The cop was assigned a body cam and decided not to wear it..

Both of those accounts are from the area's PDs... no just some bunk witness either...


uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
18. Update Witness's Girlfriend said the police messed with him for no reason...
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:36 PM
Dec 2014

Some reports, however, said some eyewitnesses disputed that account.

A woman who identified herself as the victim's mother, Toni Martin, said her son was running when her was shot and killed.

"His girlfriend told me that the police was messing with them," Martin said on CNN.

"When he was trying to get up and run, they started shooting him. They won't tell me nothing. They won't even let me see my baby."

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
19. I can't imagine
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:59 PM
Dec 2014

a supposed witness would say anything that doesn't match the forensic and/or video evidence.

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