2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI just read why 64 Bernie NV delegates had their credentials stripped--and I shed a tear or two
(May 16: Update. I've linked to an update about this situation, at the bottom of my post)
I've never talked about this on DU, but I guess now is a good time.
I'm a Bernie delegate from Iowa. I participated in our County Convention and I was gearing up to participate as a Bernie delegate in our District Convention, which was held two weeks ago. Three days before the District Convention, I get a phone call from a Bernie Sanders staff member.
They were wondering why I was registered as a Republican in the state of Iowa.
I was flabbergasted. Our Iowa Caucuses were Feb 1, and to participate you must be a REGISTERED DEMOCRAT. I participated, gave a speech for Bernie and served as a Precinct Captain. Furthermore, I've voted Democrat my entire life, starting in the early 1980's.
You can imagine my shock. Why was I, a Bernie delegate, now a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN?
I was told that there were other Bernie delegates who were also coming up as REGISTERED REPUBLICANS too. One of them was a life-long Democrat who was also a Democratic County Precinct Chair.
I was informed, three days before our District Convention, that if I showed up at our Convention as a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN that the Hillary people could challenge my credentials, strip me of my credentials and that I would be disallowed from participating or voting.
I had to go downtown and switch my registration. The woman at the counter confirmed that I was indeed--a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN.
FACT: SOMETIME BETWEEN FEB 1 AND MAY 1--MY VOTER REGISTRATION SWITCHED FROM DEMOCRAT TO REPUBLICAN.
I have NO IDEA how. I never switched it.
I showed up at the District Convention in May---and sure enough, my name had a big line through it. The Hillary person at the check-in table questioned my Republican status. I had the appropriate paperwork to document that I had switched to Democrat, so I was let in.
I just learned that in Nevada that 64 of Bernie's delegates were stripped of their credentials. A Hillary supporter on DU posted the official reason: "because they weren't 'registered as Democratic voters by May 1, 2016'"
I bet they weren't REGISTERED DEMOCRATS. Maybe they became REGISTERED REPUBLICANS...just like I did. It's like some kind of political miracle, in which Bernie delegates get their registrations switched out of thin air.
Simply unbelievable.
I had a few tears coming down, when I read about why those 64 were stripped of their credentials. Bernie would have won that Nevada caucus room, if those 64 delegates would have been allowed to participate. I hope those delegates find out WHY their credentials were stripped and I hope they fight the ruling--if their voter registrations were switched without their knowledge.
Update to this post 5/20/16: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511974138
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)GoldenThunder
(300 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Much more.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Bunch of thin-skinned half-wits.
KPN
(16,150 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Easy to get HIDES for TRUTH TELLING around here! Yeah the "Machine" ala Clinton/Reid/DWS alliance at work!
So much for DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT IN THE democratic party!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Me thinks that THEY are a little too OVER CONFIDENT!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)That is beyond suspicious. This is happening in too many states to be random glitches.
What has the Democratic Party become? One clue is when you embrace a scumbag like David Brock.
Birds of a feather.....as the saying goes.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I participated in the Iowa Caucuses. You cannot participate unless you are a registered Democrat. I participated. I was a precinct captain, I gave a speech for Bernie and became a delegate that night.
So...as of Feb 1, I was a registered Democrat in the state of Iowa.
In early May, I was informed that I was officially a registered Republican. I went down to the Voter Registration office and the woman at the counter confirmed that I indeed a registered Republican.
I filled out paperwork and registered as a Democrat.
Crazy, isn't it?
I've never heard of election problems, snafus, mishaps and anomalies, registration switching, people not being able to vote, exit polling data not matching election results--on this scale before. The Republican exit polls match their election results. They also aren't having these outlandish problems that we're having--from state to state to state.
It's like a political pandemic has hit our Democratic Primaries. Rampant cheating and crazy stuff happening in so many states. Investigations in IL, NY, AZ and now there is evidence of Bernie losing votes in Delaware?
I've never seen or heard of anything like this in the history of our party.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)This is old, not new, it is reminiscent of the Tammany Hall days.
IADEMO2004
(5,910 posts)IADEMO2004
(5,910 posts)Please let us know what happens.
LiberalFighter
(53,503 posts)I disagree with calling 911. That is not what 911 is used for.
I'm wondering how registration can be changed that easily. Both the paper form and the bmv online method require details that only the voter should know. Either way there should be a track on when it occurred and who processed it.
Sharpcarnival
(1 post)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)When I posted my original post on May 15, I knew that two weekends ago, I participated in the Convention. I didn't recall the exact date. I should have looked it up, but I didn't. I just wrote early May. I knew it was two weeks ago, and I counted back 14 days--erroneously believing it was early May.
The District Convention was 4/30.
I just looked back at my text messages. I was contacted on 4/21 and informed that I was a registered Republican at the time. I went to the Polk County Auditor's office on 4/22 and switched my registration and I informed the Sanders staffer who called me, to let them know that I had switched. I also took a picture of the paperwork, showing that I switched, and I also obtained a copy. I presented that copy at the check-in table in the morning.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I eman, it sucks for you, but th esuggestion that this is down to Clinton supporters appears to be completely unsupported.
eShirl
(18,831 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Just stating facts. Guilty conscious perhaps? You believe it was Clinton?
Very very telling.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Going on, especially in the states that have a lot of weight behind them with regards to number of delegates, momentum, perception, etc. Iowa and NV were two of those.
DNC and Clinton machine are prime suspects.
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WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)But you might get a hide for saying that. Or at least an alert.
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uponit7771
(91,918 posts):rolleyes:
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)is RIGGED!
AzDar
(14,023 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)It's a good example of the undemocratic stacking of the deck the establishment has used. They've sowed the wind with that. Now comes the whirlwind.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I was a registered Democrat on Feb 1. By May 1, I was a registered Republican.
I did nothing with my registration.
But what happened to me, is happening to people all over the country in our Democratic primaries. Lifelong Democrats check their registrations and discover that they are registered Independents, Republicans or not registered at all.
It's getting to be a level that is batshit crazy.
I am questioning the legitimacy of our entire primary process.
Thanks for pointing out that I didn't do anything with my registration. Because I surely didn't.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,528 posts)then I'm calling you a jackass.
lostnfound
(16,686 posts)Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)WHAT'S FALSE: The data were accessed over a lengthy period; the data were "exported" or otherwise extracted; the data were of high value to the Sanders campaign.
markpkessinger
(8,586 posts). . . from Democrat to Republican. Voter registration databases, from which the DNC derives its information about voter registrations, is maintained at the state level, and neither the DNC nor the RNC has the ability to alter it.
Nice try at deflection, though.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)I was addressing someone's specific wording. I think you misunderstood.
pnwmom
(109,605 posts)And that was deliberate and it was unethical.
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pnwmom
(109,605 posts)in the Bernie staffers' personal files, even though it didn't belong to Bernie. The Bernie campaign was pretending that because they didn't export files outside of the system, that it was okay for them to save Hillary data within the Bernie staffers' personal files on the system. But they were wrong.
I did omit the fact that there was one "statistical summary" that WAS exported. Is that what you're calling a lie?
http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/
Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 listsconsisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaigns databaseand saved them to their personal folders.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-dnc-lawsuit-campaign-222659
During that time, the four users conducted 25 searches using proprietary Hillary for America score data across 11 states. All of the results of these searches were saved within the VoteBuilder system, with the exception of one instance where a user exported a statistical summary of a search using HFA scoring in New Hampshire, the DNC statement said. CrowdStrike found no evidence of unauthorized access by the Hillary for America or OMalley for President campaigns. Today, the Sanders campaign also voluntarily dismissed the breach of contract action pending against the DNC.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)Someone is changing peoples registrations.
LiberalFighter
(53,503 posts)But I have yet to hear how it is being done. Has anyone tried to track what happen to their voter registration yet? If this is happening that information is also needed to tighten the process to prevent it.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)This is a planned event throughout certain states. What is the connection in these states to the flipping of registrations. Software owned by who, government entities endorsing who.. what or who is connected in these states. There has to be a trail or one thing that connects the dots.
LiberalFighter
(53,503 posts)Florida, Iowa, Nevada all run by Republicans.
The common denominator in each case is party affiliation is included for voter registration and it involves party declaration for a primary election/caucus.
The DMV is probably where it is all happening and likely involves software application design issues.
bkscribe
(26 posts)Of those who have obtained and posted photos of their illegally altered registrations, some show a completely different (forged) signature and some show a 100% match (appearing like a photocopy). My guess is that most actually don't have that kind of a paper trail (just because of the sheer number of mysterious changes).
LiberalFighter
(53,503 posts)Amaril
(1,267 posts)....or are you just calling him/her a liar?
Either way, ugh! Just, ugh!
surrealAmerican
(11,496 posts)That is not what this thread is about.
That's the only response a Hillary supporter can possibly have in the face of this -- unless they were credible and said something like, "That should never happen regardless of who it happens to."
markpkessinger
(8,586 posts). . . the DNC's database (of which each candidate's proprietary data is a subset), lists registered Democrats, but it does not maintain the records of those registrations, which are maintained at the state/county level. So that simply does not account for what happened here.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)software, endorsements to one candidate, something or someone high up is ordering this to happen.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)was involved in and the guy who the DNC and NGP VAN recommended to the Sanders camp??? The guy who is pictured below with Obama..... Do you recall how NGP VAN had same problem earlier in the year and the same "problem" in 2008. HHMMM what are the same in 2008 and in 2016??? Hillary Clinton and NGP VAN of course!!!!........partners in crime perhaps????
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timmymoff
(1,947 posts)why she can't put sanders away. That alone speaks volumes of our chances in November if she wins the nomination. Sadly my vote won't count if she wins the nomination because I won't cast one for president.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)joshcryer
(62,504 posts)And I do think it happens. In AZ I suspected that some workers would willfully (and illegally) switch people just because they're terrible human beings. And I don't think they were necessarily Democrats switching affiliations, they could well have been Republicans trying to fuck up the process. The worst part is if it's low level shenanigans by terrible human beings is that you will have a very hard time proving it. They wouldn't do it at a level that you could detect, it'd just be "an accident" or "a misstep." We know that in AZ the Republican person in charge of opening polling stations intentionally closed them in heavy Latino areas. I believe she resigned later on but her excuse was that the numbers weren't showing. It didn't just hurt Democrats, it hurt Republicans too, because the number of polling stations led to huge lines.
That being said, however, it is clear to me that in at least some instances in Nevada people changed their registrations from Democrat to independent / unaffiliated and expected to go into the convention as a delegate only to be told that they switched. There's at least one person on Reddit who admitted this huge fuck up.
Now, you'll say "that's not what happened here," and I know you didn't change and I believe that you didn't. I'm saying that there is an element where people voted for Sanders and left the party. There is a 332 rec'd thread here championing leaving the Democratic party: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511425503
Again, I know that you didn't do this. But out of 64 people I believe it's very possible many of them did do this, not realizing that you can't be a delegate for the Democratic convention without being a Democrat.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)that you have to be a registered Democrat to continue participating.
The Bernie delegates that participated today in NV have done the following: They caucuses for Bernie in NV and signed up to be a delegate. They participated in the first convention as a delegate. And they showed up today, continuing to be a delegate for Bernie Sanders.
These are very involved people. There are meetings, emails sent out and lots of information about the rules of participating.
I just finished being a delegate in the third round--same stage of the process as those in NV today. I really have a hard time believing that a large number of them switched back to Independent while they are still participating in the delegate process. That does not make sense that 64 did this en masse--and that this was close to the number that was needed to secure a healthy delegate win for Clinton in NV.
I want to hear from these people. I'd like to hear why these 64 had their credentials stripped and what they have to say about it.
I bet we hear plenty of stories like mine.
joshcryer
(62,504 posts)That's all I can say.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)and I apologize if I didn't make myself clear. My point was that I have a hard time believing that these were legitimate credential challenges, because changing your registration while you're still actively participating in the delegate process--seems like a very odd, rare behavior.
Yes, I see that you posted a link that someone on Reddit did it. That doesn't mean that 64 did.
I don't believe that, at all.
My registration was switched, so of course I know firsthand that this does happen to people.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)People should get a phone call whenever somebody switches them, to verify its genuine.
tblue37
(66,035 posts)use a card to make purchases, I will discover that I no longer recall my password, so I have to go through the process to change my password so I can access the site.
Whenever I make any changes at all, I get an email notification that there has been activity on my account and changes have been made, and a link is provided so I can immediately fix it if the activity and changes were made by someone other than me.
If any changes are made to a voter's registration, the same thing should happen: the voter should get an immediate notification about the changes having been made.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)you are sent a Voter's card with name, address, party, precinct, effective date and voter number.
I got so nervous hearing about the changing registrations that I check my registration online every day until I got my ballot and mailed it in.
AND I won't change back until after the convention.
joshcryer
(62,504 posts)Probably some had their registrations screwed up. I don't think it's a conspiracy by the Clinton camp, I think it is ultimately people not appreciating the chaotic process that is the caucus system, and being fucked over by either mistakes with the voter registry (or willful changing of registrations on a low level). Failing to realize that challenges to registration can be very damning, if your address on your registration is wrong, then you're done. 6 of the 64 challenges were allowed to be seated once they went through the confirmation process.
It's not going to just be one person who went independent. It's going to be more than that.
There were 3357 delegates (people voting) at the convention. Sanders lost 58. That's 1% of the entire delegation. 1 percent. It's very possible Clinton's delegates were challenged too and they didn't make a fuss of it when they lost 1%.
(You don't complain when the caucus is going in your favor, you sit down and shut up which the Sanders people did when they took over the Clark County convention and tried to flip the results.)
delrem
(9,688 posts)So you're happy with any kind of shit you say to explain it.
joshcryer
(62,504 posts)Since caucuses by their nature are corrupt entities that maintain the status quo.
delrem
(9,688 posts)joshcryer
(62,504 posts)I'm not even a US citizen.
I'm a bystander.
You rock.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)and they should. Lacking that, it leaves the "Bernie People" to complain about rigged procedures that affect their candidate.
I have not yet read this happening to a Hillary supporter. They should speak up, if so.
LiberalFighter
(53,503 posts)Even though it happened to 64 delegates it would not necessarily mean they did it intentionally or that it was nefarious. It would also make no sense that it only happened to just 64 delegates amounting to about 2 percent of them. That would not be enough to change the outcome.
The likely scenario is that maybe it was time for them to renew their drivers license. In the process as part of their habit they gave their usual response to the party affiliation question. Another possible explanation would be that the BMV doesn't receive party affiliation data from the voter registration office and they still had their old party affiliation on file at the BMV. And they may not have asked the question and the old data was sent to voter registration.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You do realize drivers licenses last a while, right? All 64 delegates renewed their driver's licenses in the intervening months is about as likely as all 64 being hit by a meteor.
You're trying very, very, very hard to pretend nothing nefarious could possibly happen.
LiberalFighter
(53,503 posts)You don't know where those delegates live throughout the state. Those 64 delegates are a very small percentage of the total delegates. AND there are only 12 months in a year. Add to that it is not restricted to people born in a specific year. They could be born in any year from about 1930 to 1998. That is a nearly 70 year range. 60 if you want to be conservative about the range.
Based on the Sanders delegates of 1,662 if there was an even distribution of delegates by months it would be 138 for each month. Since the time frame covers two different months it puts it at 176 delegates. Not all of them would be renewing. Then there are some that would be updating their address as required.
What is questionable are the circumstances regarding this issue. So far we don't know actual details. We just have a report that delegates weren't seated because they weren't registered. There are people supporting Sanders that are blaming Clinton without any evidence. They want to blame Clinton for everything that happens to them.
It does need to be investigated and published.
If this was something nefarious it should be happening in more than just a few states as claimed.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Really?
THAT is what you're going to go with?
SMH.
Evidence such as it disproportionately hurt Sanders? 64 to 8, in this case. Using your motor-voter theory, it would be far more equal.
Or evidence like the fact that the state party leadership has all backed Clinton, and they were the ones deciding to throw out those Sanders delegates.
Or evidence like this same disproportionately-hurting-Sanders-voters thing has appeared now in several states.
Yep, no reason at all to notice the trend. It's all an enormous number of random, innocent mistakes that disproportionately hurt one candidate. Nothing wrong here! Go back to watching the TV and the same people that made these "mistakes" will sort it out.
LiberalFighter
(53,503 posts)Do you think that all of delegates affected lived in the same county let alone neighborhood?
Within my precinct there are 1,022 voters. Of those 1,022 voters, 85 were born in the month of May. Within my city council district there are 39,699 voters. Of those 39,699 voters, 3,312 were born in the month of May. Within my congressional district there are 493,955 voters. Of those 493,955 voters, 39,970 were born in the month of May. It expands even more at the state level. Spread that out over a 4 year or 8 year period still provides more than enough of a pool when all 4 congressional districts are considered. Then factor this over a two month period instead of one month.
There is no trend in what was happening. They are all isolated incidents not related to the Clinton campaign or state parties. Rather it is the Sanders campaign that failed to know the laws for each state as well as rules for caucuses. This is the result of an outsider trying and failing to manipulate it.
If there was a trend why didn't it happen in South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia,Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and other places?
BTW elections are not controlled by the Democratic Party. The election laws are legislatively enacted.
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LiberalFighter
(53,503 posts)They weren't running the convention. It is a state convention. Not a national convention.
Those nearly 60 people were rejected by the Credentials Committee for either not being registered as a Democrat, not living at their registered address, or possibly not existing.
The Credentials Committee was represented by both campaigns.
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Amaril
(1,267 posts)with a grain of salt, but that's just me.
It's really starting to feel like someone -- or a group of someones -- are out to destroy the Democratic party with a scorched earth, win-at-all-costs game plan.
I have a lump in my throat the size of a basketball.
markpkessinger
(8,586 posts). . . that this is what happened in all or most other cases.
KPN
(16,150 posts)I think you are fishing for reasons to legitimize this.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)Can only imagine what will happen in the general and the actual term of office, if it comes to that. Totally depressing.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I voted in every election (with the exception of 2002 when I was mostly unconscious in the hospital), loyal to the point of voting straight Democratic ticket even when a nose plug was required, I did so because I also voted in every primary election, and so had my one person, one vote chance to choose the best on offer (when any were offered, many seats never face primary challenges unfortunately).
After many warnings were posted here regarding affiliation changing and purging from the primary voter roles after the Arizona election fraud incident, I took the advice and checked online to find I was NPA all of a sudden, just before the NY Presidential Primary! I went to the local office and was told the same, I contacted the state officials and was also told the same and nothing could be done that would allow me to vote in this particular primary. I did vote by affidavit (our word for provisional) ballot, but even that was hard and I had to talk to a supervisor before being allowed to do so, as two separate poll workers told me I could not do that, unfortunately for our democracy provisional and affidavit ballots are just placebo votes and I believe it is quite rare for any of them to be counted.
It appears the party wants to throw out Democrats (possibly to make room for all those moderate Republicans Hillary is said to be courting). I believe the purged from the party are targeted because I have not heard of any such things happening to the further right among us, specifically those that have chose hillary this primary, I suppose it could be coincidence that thousands of Sanders supporters have been purged from the party, but I doubt the odds favor such a conclusion.
Welcome to the club, we were hit very hard in NYS, in the big cities especially. they appear to have chosen purges in your state based on both who you support and if you were a caucus delegate. It makes sense, We have closed primaries in my state chosen by county votes. Populations in counties determine the amount of delegates, so the strategy was a good one. The strategy in your state appears to be good based on how your primaries are decided.
I have decided to stay the Independent they made me when they chose to throw me out of the party without my authorization, my consent, or even so much as a polite letter telling me My affiliation was changed for me by my own party that wanted me out.
I suppose they no longer need our votes, stupid move IMO. I likely would have, out of long time habit, simply chosen straight Democratic ticket in the GE, instead, now that they feel my vote and party membership is no longer needed or wanted, I will choose each slot on my ballot after careful consideration of everyone running and doing my research to find the ones to vote for based on a criteria involving not just their rhetoric, but what can be found about the records of their actions and vote those that appear to align with my best interest.
It will mean a great deal more research on my part (it was so easy voting straight ticket all those years, only having to do research on the occasional primaried seat). However now that I have been made an Independent against my will, I shall act responsibly as one and vote only for my best interests and the interests of the younger people that will have to fight our wars and survive our climate change.
Perhaps we should form a club of those discarded from the party? (I would advise losing that Republican stain they placed on your name ASAP, it might attract maggots)
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)..in your honor, in CoffeeCat's honor.
I wasn't sure what to make of these claims until now.
I no longer want any part of this party.
Decision made. Unless I find it has already been made for me, of course.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Check anyway, there have been reports not only of changes from Democratic to NPA, but also to Republican, Libertarian, the Independent party (not the same as being an independent and very right wing in most states they exist).
Choose unaffiliated or a party you believe in, have your druthers, but check if you are as described (IOW needed as a Democrat to vote for Bernie in the Primary), you may not like what you find.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Especially in closed/semi-closed primary states. They are TRYING to run you off. Hell, they de-registered you. They really don't want you mucking in their primary elections.
SO MUCK IN THEIR PRIMARY ELECTIONS.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)And then when they go begging for our votes in the GE, we can tell them "sorry - I'm not even a part of YOUR party - the party that you kicked me out" and basically tell them to shove off.
They don't want me, fine. But they sure as hell better not be counting on me in November. It's their own damn fault if Trump is elected.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)That day is coming. The neoliberals are in old folks homes and are dying of old age. The next generation of Democrats are progressives.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)and often --
It's their own damn fault if Trump is elected.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)if and until we have somewhere else that needs our primary vote that better represents our interests, keep fighting in the Democratic Party primaries. Getting Bernie supporters out of that process is EXACTLY what they want, don't willingly give it to them.
I'm in California, and the final date to register for the upcoming Democratic Primary is May 23. I hope everyone here from California checks their registration on or around May 22.
Longterm,, we really need to look at this, and at whether it's worth working within the party or forming a new one, but that conversation can wait till after this primary is decided.
amborin
(16,631 posts)there appears to be some discussion about when to do this. some say to wait until after the
convention, because it will be contested
KPN
(16,150 posts)I'm bailing the Party after the convention I think -- unless it gives me good reason to reconsider. .... Haven't sent any money to the Democratic Party in over a year now, so why remain a member? I just don't trust the Party -- to support my interests or to be truly democratic.
senz
(11,945 posts)Remember the data breach way back when? That's where they got the names.
We do have options. We could sink them.
elleng
(136,577 posts)Response to elleng (Reply #31)
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The Dem candidate will need our votes in the GE. I tend to doubt that Senator Sanders would take another option, but that's only my gut feeling about it.
Keep this in mind, fwiw: Hillary Clinton's Unfavorables Keep Going Up.
The Young Turks
Hillary Clintons unfavorability polls would make her the most widely disliked candidate the Democratic party has ever nominated.
https://www.facebook.com/TheYoungTurks/videos/10153625475774205/
senz
(11,945 posts)Bernie is very straightforward, plays by the rules, etc. But this sort thing just might push him, especially if his supporters make it clear that they want it. If there's no fairness whatsoever, then he himself might not want to continue. Did you see his letter to the DNC a day or two ago? He seemed quite shocked at the blatant unfairness of how they're setting up the convention.
Hill's unfavorability strengthens our hand. Even the threat of it might force them to start playing fair. I love knowing we have this strength.
Btw, I deleted my comment.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)He knows the fix is in for the convention...
'how can the People's will be served' (he wonders to himself)?
mythology
(9,527 posts)You do realize that the audit found that only Sanders campaign staffers did that right? Or is that just another part of the never-ending conspiracy?
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Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)I already read one story from a woman in Kentucky who checked her registration and found it had been changed (I believe it changed to Libertarian, but its been awhile since I read her message). She was outraged. Remembering this and knowing Kentucky is now an important state for Bernie, as well as California -- for sure it must be going on there -- we need to do something. Asking the campaign to warn voters might help, but it needs to be much larger scaled than that.
Any thoughts?
Sam
elleng
(136,577 posts)"F!"
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)We are not Republicans. These types of tactics might work with them but not with us. DISGUSTED! If the only way you can win is by cheating then how are you going to win the general election?
senz
(11,945 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)If you can't win an election, you just blatantly steal it.
Other candidates are looking better and better.
still_one
(96,755 posts)someone who would gain from Democratic chaos
Even your comment at the end supports exactly my point
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)still_one
(96,755 posts)registration got changed without their consent, it would be caught very easily by the person affected. The only thing that type of event would cause is chaos among Democrats, and that is NOT to Hillary's advantage.
In addition, except for a couple of polls, they have predicted pretty well how the primaries would go so far.
The Democratic primaries are based on a proportional system of delegation, not winner take all, and since the initial Super Tuesday was won by Clinton by a fairly wide margin, it becomes very difficult for the opponent to catch up. Not impossible, but very difficult.
However, if there are this many purported registration errors, than there needs to be an investigation, from an independent party. Perhaps the ACLU, and legal actions need to be taken if wrong doing is found, from where it comes
ctintheusa
(1 post)Because if this was not done, she would not be in the lead. It's interest to me that the DNC has done NOTHING to investigate or correct the situation in the states where election fraud has been claimed. It is also interesting to me that the Clinton camp has said NOTHING about this disenfranchisement. One can only deduce that the reason is it works in their favor.
creeksneakers2
(7,607 posts)sued Arizona.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)If the Clinton camp has been cheating from state to state--that means that she has phantom support. Rigging voting machines to give you votes you didn't earn, means the support isn't there. Blocking your opponent's supporters from voting via registration switching, voter suppression and six-hour wait lines--means that you are a weak candidate.
So what happens in the GE? Such a great point.
When the first states voted in our primary, there was a great deal of discussion about how our Democratic voter turnout was very low. I know that the caucus numbers in my state of Iowa, were down 30 percent. It was also noteworthy that Republican turnout was at record-levels. So...that's also a factor.
What is she planning on doing if she's the nominee? She'll have to continue cheating more, but on a grander scale? No way can a person get away with that!
We're on our way to a civil war in this country.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Those states will not vote Democratic in my lifetime.
Second, Hillary, the DNC, and state Democratic Parties may be using Rovian tricks to win the nomination but the masters and inventors of these tricks are the Republicans. Novice vs master. Hmmmm... . Does not bode well in the GE.
When and where the votes can't be stolen, she loses 30% to 70/20% to 80%. What that tells me is that a majority of Democrats simply do not want her for president.
While scare tactics work on the conservative mind (and I am beginning to suspect that this may be in play with many of her supporters), fear is not a guaranteed motivator for most Democrats.
She is on record for wanting to change Social Security and cut Medicare. Other candidates are not. The youth will either riot or bide their time rather than vote for her.
I am beginning to suspect that Trump ran to be the Boogie man that would drive voters to Hillary. It simply may not work. His base is much more committed and larger than the few that actually support her.
Can it get more frustrating? Why Hillary, the DNC, and the state parties are so desperate, I believe, is that their corporate masters and corporations, etc. are looking out from their gilded mansions and they see the peasants with the pitchforks and scythes. They need a bit more time to completely destroy our democratic republic and beggar and enslave the 99% of us.
However, the scales are falling from more and more eyes. The tipping point may have past and using these tactics to deny the will of the people will have such serious consequences that the 60s will look idyllic.
Chezboo
(230 posts)Which party has the most well-honed election rigging system? To think of all the people who were sold a bill of goods that they were fighting for our freedom and right to vote. What a betrayal.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Sorry, I beg to differ. The reality is that these tactics, and others, are in fact working on the democratic side. And have been and will continue to. The Party is over.
disgusting
After this one is over (after I write in Bernie if I have to) I will switch to Inde. This Party is now what the republican party was 40 years ago. Corporate whores. My values haven't changed since protesting VietNam in the streets, but the Party has become what I have protested and worked against all my life.
Something new must emerge. A party that supports the poor and working and middle classes because this is where the strength and wealth of a Nation comes from. None of the current party's do this any longer. The only thing certain here is that the Democratic Party I've supported all my life is dead and as useful as last years news paper.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)As in, the super delegates have to choose her because she is "winning".
This is bullshit, and it's a few straws too many. She is the official CHEATER now, and that deserves no recognition whatsoever.
Especially in light of the fact that by all rights, she shouldn't even be allowed to run while under FBI investigation.
Bernie is the presumptive winner now, and if it doesn't turn out that way, it's a stolen election. Period.
I'm really sad to hear this, CoffeeCat. I'm sad that this happened to you, and Dragonfli, and others, and I'm sad that we have sunk this low in this country. I remember when we used to be mostly honorable people back in the day.
I'm really sick and tired of sharks. It's time to drain the swamp and get rid of them, whatever it takes. People who do this kind of thing, no matter how great they think they are, completely disgust me. They are lower than pond scum.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Everything they touch...
Uncle Joe
(60,242 posts)Thanks for sharing, CoffeeCat.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Our democracy is gone.
DeminOR
(5 posts)Federal law requires that people be allowed to register to vote when they renew their driver's license. DMVs send updated addresses, renewal info to Election Divisions. In several states, faulty form and database design has resulted in people's partisan affiliation being changed to unaligned.
This became a big issue in Oregon when the new automatic voter registration system made all the newly registered people unaligned and they didn't realize they actually had to choose a party. Of course, imagine the outrage if they just randomly assigned people a party.
It's Hanlon's Law in action. Don't attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity. Of course, it's not as exciting or motivating as imagining a big conspiracy, but it does have the advantage of being the most likely explanation.
And to the person who cited the database hack, that makes so sense whatsoever. The investigation is complete, the investigation that Sanders campaign signed off on, and that investigation proved that the only one campaign used the window of opportunity to break into a competing campaign's proprietary data. Sanders campaign was proven to have hacked Clinton and it's proven that neither Clinton nor O'Malley hacked anyone.
still_one
(96,755 posts)registrations changed. Forget about "the newly registered"
If there is validity in that, then something nefarious is going on.
DeminOR
(5 posts)This is happening in several states when people are renewing their drivers' licenses. Here's just one example. I am not going to hunt for more because it's almost 1:30 AM.
http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/florida-motor-voter-foulup-means-no-primary-ballot/nqqCm/
still_one
(96,755 posts)completely, or not understanding their state's registration process
LiberalFighter
(53,503 posts)That is the most likely way voter registration is being changed. And it would have to happen only when that voter renewed or updated their drivers license. And only in states that have party affiliation included with voter registration.
It wouldn't necessarily be the voter's fault either. Filling out a paper form once every several years would make it difficult to know what is expected. If the DMV person is completing the form for the person then they might forget to ask the question. Especially if it is a new employee.
The software application used by the DMV may have a poor design. For instance it might not include confirmation that a person does not want to register to vote or identify their party affiliation. In at least one state if party affiliation is not checked the default is "no party affiliation". The default should instead be "do not change".
The other issue that might be present is it is likely that voter registration data may not be kept by the DMV once it is transmitted to the voter registration office. I would be hesitant in changing this aspect of it. But keeping the fact they are a registered voter should be sufficient.
rockfordfile
(8,731 posts)cnico
(1 post)This was just settled within the past few weeks, and most definitely the Sanders campaign was found innocent of accessing Clinton's database when the firewall was disabled.
The company that maintains the db is a BIG HRC supporter and former contractor. It is believed that they dropped the firewall as a way to trump up charges against Bernie. And with that the DNC cut off access to Bernie's campaign for 2 days. No one know what HRC did during that time and it is very likely that they did access their campaign database. Regardless, a huge database containing the voting records and registrations of all 50 states was discovered not long ago. Most of it was publicly accessible information, but it had all been compiled into one database. And given that coffee cat was clearly a Bernie Sanders supporter AND a delegate... obviously they could have targeted her/him on that basis alone. But my main point is Sanders did not hack into Clinton's campaign and they were exonerated of those charges. If you want to know just how easy it is to hack an election, check out this article from one of the best. http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-how-to-hack-an-election/
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And your link does nothing to back up your claims.
kayakjohnny
(5,235 posts)Hmmm...
trudyco
(1,258 posts)I had heard that the head of Bernie's campaign was somebody DWS had suggested so I had thought he was behind it, certainly not Bernie. As has been shown throughout this campaign, Bernie is a rare bird who sticks to his principles and that includes not cheating. Only the Clinton camp has shown that cheating is perfectly acceptable. It's like they took notes on what Bush did or got a Bush operative to help them and they've done it all. Affiliation flipping, caging, purging, hacking the vote counting machines per the exit poll vs vote count, then the fiasco in Nevada where they turned off the lights (at least they didn't turn off the sound system, but then it was her puppet running the show so they turned it up), trying to hide emails (didn't Bush use the RNC server?), deleting emails, then there is the DNC money laundering scheme and the Clinton Foundation quid pro quo. Lying to the FBI and tampering with evidence. Lying to the public. Oh yeah, and the disinformation campaign of Brock and the fact that his superpac commingles with her campaign - they can get away with it because the law didn't keep up with the internet, it's illegal for other forms of media. Skirting the illegal, disregard for the ethical. Stripping Democrats from their party affiliation and right to vote.
Is this really what long time Democrats at DU stand for? THIS is the Democratic Party?
And for those trying to claim it's DMV mistakes or people being stupid and changing their affiliation to Independent when they are a delegate for Sanders: like the Republicans claiming it's voter fraud when it's election fraud! It's deflecting it back to the victim. Clinton took notes on that, too! Don't blame the voters, especially the delegates. As Coffeecat explained, the delegates knew exactly what was expected of them. They would not have shifted party, especially after New York. No way. And the DMV story - funny how it's always the Sanders people who have this problem, kind of like how Sanders gets worse vote counts than the exit polls. The odds of that are, well, there should be a word in statistics to describe fraud.
DeminOR
(5 posts)There is a trail, there were four staff using the Clinton database.
I used to think we were the reality-based community, but that idea is shot.
I used to think we needed a tea party of the left, but I meant the energy and enthusiasm, not the resistance to truth and facts.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-campaign-penalized-dnc-after-improperly-accessing-clinton-voter-n482341
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)A few things have happened in the last five months, such as:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/bernie-sanders-dnc-lawsuit-voter-database/
snort
(2,334 posts)That explains why my daughter, a registered Democrat and Bernie supporter and donor, who never even visited a HRC site, started receiving mail from Hillary a few weeks later, Cuz' Bernie. Got it.
Sparkly
(24,352 posts)snot
(10,740 posts)still_one
(96,755 posts)do this. They have nothing to gain.
I have no idea how people's registrations are getting changed, but if it is this widespread as purported to be here, then most of those that were affected should be able to show their registrations were changed, and in all those cases they need to pursue it with all the legal means available.
This is beyond winning or losing, this is about voter fraud, and if there is validity in this, than a class action needs to take place, and those responsible for those changes need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
If it involved software changing the registrations, then those responsible for the software need to be investigated, and anyone who made changes to that code need to be scrutinized, and what those changes were, and why they were made.
If it involves a person or persons manually changing someone else's registration, those people need to be tracked down. Anyone who has access to the registrations in the states affected need to be investigated.
Assuming this was done intentionally, there is no way that those who allegedly did this could have thought that no one would have noticed, or been exposed. Who really gains the most by this?
1. The Hillary camp? It causes chaos in an already nasty primary, and this exposure would already make that worse. So the only reason for the Hillary camp to do it is to try, and make the Sanders' camp appear off the rails.
2. The Bernie camp? For the same reason as the reason given to the Hillary camp, to cause chaos in an already nasty primary, in the hopes that someone Hillary would somehow lose delegate support.
3. The republican camp? Anything that causes chaos in the Democratic primaries is to the republicans advantage. It distracts from their current issues.
DeminOR
(5 posts)Motor voter - states that ignored it for years have been forced by the federal government to implement registration at DMV and are not doing well.
http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/florida-motor-voter-foulup-means-no-primary-ballot/nqqCm/
still_one
(96,755 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)at a larger percentage than HRC's.
DeminOR
(5 posts)You are assuming that without any evidence at all. However, if it happening in larger numbers to Bernie supporters it may be because more of his supporters are first-time voters.
beedle
(1,235 posts)When ONLY Bernie supporters seem to being affected, I would call that doing it 'pretty damn well' ... I wouldn't call it honest, or smart, or democratic, but they do seem to be accurately achieving their goals.
Mistakes do not always only flow one way ... when they do, they are no longer considered "mistakes".
Demsrule86
(71,033 posts)so how would that work? Most likely errors...but desperate BSSer's want a conspiracy.
glowing
(12,233 posts)The primaries have been absolutely stinking rotten. Ok, a few mishaps here or there, but when the patterns follow state to state and the exit polling is so "off", there is absolutely no doubt in my mind election theft is happening.. Now Baltimore won't certify their results because its so damned shady. More votes tabulated than people checking into vote? Really? The Chicago Board audit showing different results in hand count to computer tabulation count, and then just changing the hand count numbers to match the computers... The hand count audit should be showing them that the vote on the machine wasn't proper, and they should at the very least, do more sample ballot hand counts OR even hand count entire districts where their audit is showing drastically different numbers than the computer tabulation did.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)still_one
(96,755 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Any candidate that had over a 500 super delegate lead before the first vote was cast in Iowa
is cheating.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)jrzcat
(1 post)It is up to us to call for reform and justice. Keep Calm and Do the Next Right Thing. This is our movement, our Democracy, our power. Been sleeping for too long.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I reiterate (and surely risk getting tombstoned): when the system becomes so corrupt that the people can't trust it to address their concerns, the people rise.
pengu
(462 posts)This entire primary is crooked.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)will NEVER get my vote. I am not the only one who feels this way.
#NotMeUs
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
riversedge
(73,262 posts)Registration from Democrat to.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1963758
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)FeRDNYC
(3 posts)This message brought to you by the same people who argue that one incidence of welfare fraud proves that it's nothing but a gravy train for government moochers; that a single fabricated study is the reason you can't trust scientists; that a report of one activist making false claims proves that the entire BLM movement is a scam predicated on a lie... do you need me to go on?
Demsrule86
(71,033 posts)is a Republican. your post makes no sense...but hey last year I found out my party affiliation was GOP...here in Ohio it does not matter...but of course, I changed it! How did it happen? I don't have a clue..error maybe?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)You and I rarely see eye to eye but on this I think we can agree on.
Demsrule86
(71,033 posts)When I move to Ohio I had to get a copy of my marriage certificate...as well as other crap to prove who I was ...they then tried to make me change my name on my taxes and social security...I had used my maiden name and they wanted me to use my given middle name...I refuse and threatened a lawsuit...Kasich changed it the next day...but I still had to become a hyphen...I was warned to sign my paperwork carefully or I would not get my license. My first time voting lying GOP poll worker told me I could not vote...because I had an out of state license (Wisconsin)...that was not true and I called Obama's voting group then and there...he backed down. And now we have only one polling place for my small city...two in one building with a small parking lot...this is punishment for going for Obama twice...the lines will be out the door in Ohio. It will be worse in Cleveland and Youngstown. We will do early and absentee as much as possible ...pass out water on election day and work to stop the evil Republicans. It is what I do every election.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)There's plenty of people who can go in and change records in the database. It's not like the governor himself enters every voter registration.
Demsrule86
(71,033 posts)Only the secretary of state's office and she is a GOP ...no one is trying to screw Bernie.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Believe it or not, these people have others working for them. And they are not all political appointees.
nenagh
(1,925 posts)Thank you CoffeeCat....for telling us your experience.
Kip Humphrey
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randome
(34,845 posts)Are you saying that Clinton is personally controlling every state's software services?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)it is a violation. Funny thing is that they probably already understand how much this is going to hurt down ticket Democrats, but they feel that its worth it to nominate a corrupt and unethical candidate under FBI investigation. I think its time to stop trying to fight back the Brock trolls and let this play out on its own. The Democratic party is already dead, the head zombie Debbie animates the final movements before the coming calamity. I look forward to the organization that will replace the Democratic party. R.I.P.
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)and not Hillary ones, right? Makes one wonder if they really believe Her Majesty is "inevitable" like her press releases claim.
beedle
(1,235 posts)one can rationalize a million reasons why someone's registration might have problems, and every single one of them might even be totally valid and logical reasons ... but when the 'mistakes' always only benefit one candidate then all the 'rationalizations' in the world does not change the fact that the 'mistakes' are not random, they are being purposely targeted to benefit one person.
LisaL
(46,668 posts)Response to LisaL (Reply #160)
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Joob
(1,065 posts)Oh? Is that too hurtful? Well it's the fucking truth.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)too many votes cast, for people who came and signed into the precincts to vote. The electronic total was way over the amount of ballots they had!
Nothing in the news today.....
reformist2
(9,841 posts)dennae123
(1 post)Thank you for your tears. More people need to be crying and or upset over a political machine that is stripping the American people of their right to have a say in how their government is run. It is not acceptable that the Democratic Party has become so intent on maintaining the status quo that are willing to do anything to achieve that end.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)and furious at the control freaks that are doing this. This is not democracy.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Even if she survives the FBI report. She's all about winning at any cost, even fraud and indictment.
riversedge
(73,262 posts)Hillary of their own misplaced priorities of not registering. You sound like Sanders-always blaming someone else.
apnu
(8,790 posts)Are the lists in possession of the Hillary camp, Hillary's own lists, or are they from the state?
Is it possible there is shenanagains going on in the state or county Board of Elections?
randome
(34,845 posts)According to the above, numerous attempts were made to verify the accuracy of party affiliation. Is it true?
"...they did not respond to requests from the party..."
If true, there would be a lot of people pointing this out and complaining about it. So far there's you.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)tblue37
(66,035 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)doesn't begin to describe this 'election'. Just like every other democratic election interfered with by Kissinger&Co we are taking our turn at their well practiced hand. I am so angry I can barely type.
CoffeeCat thank you for sharing your story.
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...I've read a few posts here of people's registrations being switched this year. If it happens that much in this small sample, how much more out in the entire country?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)KPN
(16,150 posts)if there are any with integrity that you actually trust.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)I see no reason why anyone would recognize the results as valid.
Elections are only legitimate when they are free and fair. Sham elections aren't good enough.
KPN
(16,150 posts)This stuff is unacceptable. Someone needs to be held accountable or I'm gone from the Party after the convention (44 years after registering as a Dem)! How sad is that?
valerief
(53,235 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Kicking for recognition and TRUTH to POWER! Obviously, the power is who not only counts the votes, but who manipulates the electorate!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)give info needed. The were even asked ahead of time to provide the info.
Follow the rules.
There were a small amount of Clinton delegates that did not meet the requirements either.
Don't follow the rules, do not expect special treatment. You do not see Clinton people up in arms, creating chaos and causing a stink, when it was that groups fault for not following the rules.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)they were registered dems that were flipped then it is a rigging.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)were not registered as Dems...could the registrations have been manipulated. I want answers not just repeats.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)out the primary.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)and suddenly found their registration changed without their knowledge.
Just follow the rules. Nothing to see here. Follow the rules. Don't rock the boat.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Please be specific, as the two posters above were.
LisaL
(46,668 posts)She registered as a Republican years ago and remained a registered Republican. Apparently she made an attempt to change it to Democratic which wasn't successful.
Response to LisaL (Reply #236)
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pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Friendlyfire2016
(2 posts)There are Clinton supporters who statuses were changed as well. It's happening in CA. Every time there has been an inconsistency, a Republican was behind it. The purge in NY: Republican. AZ: Republican. We are not fine with it. But also remember, Trump supporters have been voting for Sanders as well. That is what happened in WV.
Kaylakaze
(4 posts)"Mike Sieger, a broker at Fenwick Keats Real Estate who handled the sale, said Ms. Rudiano sold the property in a private transaction without listing it after he approached her with a recent offer."
...
"The buyer of the property was an investment group, Holliswood 76 LLC, headed by Dana Lowey Luttway, a developer and daughter of U.S. Rep. Nita Lowey (D, N.Y.)."
MuseRider
(34,387 posts)I am surprised that the entire group of Bernie supporters have not all be turned to registered Republicans. This has happened often enough that it is already more than suspicious so why not just go all the way?
California, look out. Oregon and Kentucky we will be watching.
Response to MuseRider (Reply #151)
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mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)down, surrendering the Democratic Party is most likely the worst possible way to remedy anything. Those people who have a real commitment to our policies should emulate the right wing and start from the bottom up.
Long before the Tea Party was created by the 1% conservatives at all levels were winning local elections on school boards, county commissions and state representatives. When the PTB wanted a movement to oppose ACA and just about anything else the President proposed taking over the nascent Conservative movement was child's play.
Well, that is what the real Democratic members have to do (though without the support of the PTB). It won't be easy, and most of us won't really take part but there never were a huge number of people in the pre-Tea Party days, just enough in positions of influence to make a difference. If we can knock a couple of Congress-critters out of the box in 2018 the real Democratic Party can have a telling role to play in 2020.
The right wing was serious, if misled. They put the time and effort needed into putting their ideas into action. The fact that they are wrong didn't make much difference to the average voter but their actions were not aimed at them in the first place. How many people really care that men and dinosaurs shared the earth at the same time? Could that have any effect on those people who generally believe evolution (and science as a whole) is bogus?
We have to imitate their success, or accept endless defeat at the hands of the Quizling Democrats.
And remember: time is running out. The water is rising, even for the buffoons who don't accept any science not found in the pages of their scriptures.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Something has to begin now. While the offenses are right in our faces.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)For When they pull out all the stops on stealing and as usual dems are falling right in line
CTPatriot
(27 posts)The HRC campaign and the DNC would be not only outraged about what is happening almost exclusively to Bernie supporters, but they would actively be working to fix things, filing lawsuits, screaming to the media, etc. But they're not. They're sitting on their sanctimonious, corrupt establishment asses having a good old yuck about how naive Bernie's supporters are to the way things work.
This is not the work of Republicans, and you are hurting the Democratic Party with your willingness to look the other way or seek to blame others for the anti-democratic right of center joke of a party that the Democrats have become. The difference between you and me is I'm willing to see it, point it out, and try to do something about it.
creeksneakers2
(7,607 posts)in Arizona.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Not a nice pattern. This has the feeling of a Dedazo, gringo style
srobert
(81 posts)The process for Nevada Democratic voters is 4 step:
1.) Caucus : Precinct voters send delegates to county conventions.
2.) County Convention: Delegates vote to send a subset of delegates to state convention.
3.) State Convention: Delegates vote to send another subset to the national convention.
4.) National Convention: Where pledged delegates are added to the super-delegates, who don't really vote until the convention.
At each stage delegates can fail to show up, fail to follow the rules, or just change their minds about what candidate they support. Officials in the process can manipulate the rules, through selective enforcement, dissemination of misinformation about the process, etc.
At the Nevada County conventions in April, Sander's delegates overturned the February caucus results, (mostly because Clinton delegates failed to show up). Clinton voters felt that they were cheated. Yesterday at the state level, 58 delegates from Sanders side were disallowed because they were allegedly not registered as Democrats. But that sounds suspicious. Who changed the voter registrations for the 58 delegates? Did they change their own registrations? If so, why? If not, then, I suppose, the level of wrong-doing might involve criminal charges.
There are lots of allegations of cheating floating around. Whenever one side is accused of cheating, the other side begins to feel that a bit of counter-cheating is morally defensible.
The entire process for selecting a nominee is overly complicated. With each complication the opportunity and motivation for cheating increases. It should be simplified and made more democratic. The very first step toward that, in my opinion, would be that at the national level, super-delegates should NOT exist.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)that was the day of the Nevada Caucus.
you participated didn't you?
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...they're saying their registration was changed between the Iowa caucuses and the state convention so there's no reason to doubt any foolishness in NV.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)and also, I had to have been a registered Dem, at our County Convention, which was March 10.
At the County Convention, the Hillary people challenged the credentials of every Bernie delegate there. There were more than 500 Bernie delegates and we all had to have our credentials verified/checked in order to be counted. The process took a couple of hours at least. Bernie was ahead at the Polk County Convention, at the first count. Hillary had originally win this county, so as you can imagine, there was a great deal of consternation in Hillary's side.
It's likely that if Bernie had remained in the lead that the entire state of Iowa may have flipped for Bernie. They checked each of us individually. I'm assuming they checked party affiliation. But I can't say for certain. They were looking for any reason to disqualify any Bernie delegate. (All Bernie delegates checked out as valid, by the way. All credentials were in order).
Because the Hillary people checked my credentials, I'm assuming that I was a registered Dem on March 10, as well.
So, the registration had to have been switched sometime between March 10 and around April 29--when I was informed by the Sanders staffer that I was a registered Republican.
And I have not been to the Department of Motor vehicles during the past year.
I am going to go down to the voter registration office (where I switched back from R to D recently) and see if I can find out more information about timing and why and how this could have happened.
R B Garr
(17,385 posts)I tried to get all blamey and conspiracy theory-ee jacked up when I could not find myself in the California database. I called the Registrars office all upset -- ready for some big Yuuuuge conspiracy. Then the nice lady verified the last four digits of my driver's license, and I had input it wrong and realized that I had somehow gotten the last digit of my Social Security in there without having my DL in front of me. I've had that DL memorized forever but still mixed it up for some reason. That's it.
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(17,385 posts)Response to R B Garr (Reply #258)
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Get real.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Get real.
And you clearly haven't read other OP's/threads from this poster.
This is a stupid waste of time and stupid to kick this thread anymore. She already retracted this with another story, but you obviously missed that.
Clueless. Bless you.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)games. Obviously. And you are obviously trying to perpetuate that only Democrats could possibly be to blame and not Republicans, even though this poster admitted she had previously registered as a Republican in a subsequent thread.
Your whole game here is clueless about what else she has posted and an obvious and desperate attempt to smear Clinton.
Neither you nor the OP have considered that Republicans might be responsible for her dilemma, even though she admitted to registering as a Republican. Only Democrats can be responsible. How phony, and how phony for you to drag out an obvious sarcastic comment. Clueless.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)has written.
OBVIOUSLY.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)you seem like you are really into this.
At least now you have fully confirmed that your question to me wasn't serious. WINK.
EDIT: The self-deleted post said this, "Are you a paid poster or a Trump supporter?" lol, he just deleted it.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)smear Clinton with yet another ludicrous conspiracy theory. Sorry I spoiled your fun. No need to bring SidDithers into this.
Ciao.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)conspiracy theory.
Look at you 4 frikken days later carrying this on for no frikken reason than to try and make it personal. Go badger someone else, Good Lord. This was over DAYS ago. DAYS now. Holy crap. And OBVIOUSLY, I can't say too much more about this person's story or I 'll get a post hidden.
And you OBVIOUSLY haven't read all this OP said or you would see how completely ludicrous the conspiracy theory is. She voted in the caucus. I'll let you figure out the rest to see how stupid your conclusions are. LMAO!
And OMG, kicking this thread DAYS later makes it obvious that the Berners are running out of people to kick as people are leaving this forum, so you have to go back days now to kick old threads to get your hate on. SICK!
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)me for some stupid reason, which you are clinging to for DAYS now. We last posted that FIVE DAYS AGO. You've added NOTHING but personal insults. You're so desperate to kick Hillary supporters, you have to go back DAYS to do it. Good Lord.
The posts are numbered, so it's obvious who is the instigator here.
Look how you've done nothing but make this personal. Desperate.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)You should be taking your own advice. Yes, go do something else besides kicking posts from FIVE DAYS AGO just to add some petty, inconsequential insults.
Jury: I am only responding to this poster's insults and did not tell him to go somewhere else except in response to him kicking an old thread to add more useless insults.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Just out of pettiness. The posts are numbered, so it's obvious who the instigator is.
Now you should take your own advice and go do something like phone bank and stuff like that.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)That is very obvious.
The posts are numbered, so it's obvious who the instigator is. You are not very good at disguising your obvious dishonest intentions.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)You've added nothing but pettiness and insults.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)just to me. This is really important to you.
Amazing.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)So it shows I had you pegged DAYS ago as not being serious.
Wow,, now up to 161 posts, and I'm the target of about 20 of those. Amazing!
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)It was already answered DAYS ago. DAYS ago. You are just playing more games. I saw you were not serious with your questions and you OBVIOUSLY had not read what the OP had said. She already voted/participated in her caucus. Think about it.
It's obvious by the numbered and time stamped posts that it was really you who is obsessed with insulting Clinton supporters. This is a good example of how desperate people are to kick other Clinton supporters by kicking old threads just to keep petty shit going. You have back days now to kick old posts just to dump on people for no reason.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)continue complete nonsense just out of spite that Hillary is winning.
Thanks for your total devotion. How flattering that out of 164 posts in 7 years -- 20-something are devoted to me! Amazing.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Madam President. Keep it kicked!!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)I wonder what is up with that.
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)R B Garr
(17,385 posts)and revenge. I guess they're still hoping for some hidden posts, too, before the rules change. There really is absolutely no reason for some of these petty comments coming up after a week-old thread is pages back.
In fact I still feel bad I didn't answer Cha in an old thread when she made a nice comment to me because I took a few days break and thought the thread was too old to kick again to answer her. I was trying to be considerate that some discussions were past their news cycle, but I should have thanked her in that thread.
Oh, well. I guess kicking old threads are all they have to keep people looking here since so many have moved on, although this poster seems to be really thrilled for any attention at all....hmm.
Madam President is my focus now!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)R B Garr
(17,385 posts)back to see the new levels of vitriol and downright desperation. The conspiracy theories make me cringe at their silliness. There is no bottom to it. Can't say more because of alert police.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)R B Garr
(17,385 posts)petty name calling.
The Nevada conspiracies, when we could see for ourselves how disruptive the whole thing was. A hotel tells them they can't provide security anymore, and they blame that on Hillary and a "rigged" system. wtf. It's not even worth the effort to respond, for the most part.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Pass it on!
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Madam President!
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Madam President!
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Madam President!
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Madam President!
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Madam President. Keep it kicked!
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)It's pretty obvious what your "context" is.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Five days later, you're at it again on May 22.
Then 11 days later, you're at it again on June 2.
It must be a compulsion to you.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)to me since May 17th.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Looks like you are speaking for yourself.
Since May 17, it looks like you've devoted about 10% of your posts just to me since you joined in 2009. Hmm.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)You waited 11 days to kick this thread again, and for no reason.
You waited 5 days before that to kick this thread again, and for no reason.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)let this obsession go. Quit harassing me.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)You then posted again on May 22 after 5 days and called me a liar for noting it.
You then kicked this thread again after 11 days on June 2.
Quit harassing me.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)That's true devotion. Wink.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)just to me. Truly awesome.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Your original post was May 17th.
Then you kicked it again for no reason on May 22 and called me a liar for noting it.
Then you kicked it again for no reason 11 days later on June 2.
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R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Your original post was May 17.
Then you kicked the thread 5 days later on May 22 for no reason.
Then you kicked the thread again 11 days later on June 2 for no reason.
You seem to be having a lot of fun.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)That so many here now condone election fraud and mock those of us speaking out against it is intolerable.
Solidarity.
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Can they be sued in court? Cheating *'ks.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Yeah, it wasn't to benefit Bernie Sanders. That was a prelude to the shit that came to pass in the Democratic primary.
Does anybody still wonder how it was that it was known which Dem voters to flip the registrations on?
I sure as hell haven't for quite some time now. Mole gets fired, Bernie gets embarrassed, but the H camp gets the goods on which folks will be Bernie voters.
Martin Eden
(13,538 posts)can't be random
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I hear that claim, but haven't seen anything to back that up. We know, for example, that the registration problems in NY affected some Clinton supporters.
Martin Eden
(13,538 posts)to REPUBLICAN? I'm referring to delegates.
If that has indeed been happening, it makes no sense that Hillary's delegates haven't complained or that it hasn't come to light. Seems to me they'd be highly motivated to point out that it has affected the delegates of both campaigns.
If no evidence that HRC delegates have not been similarly affected, will you be willing to admit that fraud has occurred on behalf of her campaign?
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)I know this isn't over yet!
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)This would include:
White (especially White Male)
Age 1729 or 3044
Friendlyfire2016
(2 posts)Before people start pointing fingers... The Republicans are the ones who are purging the voting and changing statuses. In AZ, the republicans closed offices. In Brooklyn the woman who purged the voters information is Republican. I am in CA and everyone is checking their status (Clintons supporters) so far 5 out 13 of my friends' statuses were changed. ITS THE REPUBLICANS.
The question should be: how many of the 64 could have been Trump supporters. Remember they are not bright. In WV, many of them voted for Sanders with NO intention of voting for him if he is nominee in the fall.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)Corruption is not achievable by one only major political party. Love the Democratic Party, in general, all you wantbut they have revealed themselves here in 2016 as corrupt. (Nevada illuminates it.)
Kaylakaze
(4 posts)"Mike Sieger, a broker at Fenwick Keats Real Estate who handled the sale, said Ms. Rudiano sold the property in a private transaction without listing it after he approached her with a recent offer."
...
"The buyer of the property was an investment group, Holliswood 76 LLC, headed by Dana Lowey Luttway, a developer and daughter of U.S. Rep. Nita Lowey (D, N.Y.)."
marytnurse
(2 posts)page 14 of the state party rules:
Article X - Credentials Challenges
Section 1 - Initiation: Any Democrat may challenge any delegate or alternate certified to any convention by notifying the County, District, or State Chair in writing at least ten (10) days before the date of the Convention. At the same time a copy of the challenge shall be sent by the challenger to the delegate or alternate who is challenged.
http://iowademocrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Constitution-of-the-IDP-2014-8.4.2014.pdf
also district conventions were held in April, not May. this one smelled from the get-go. and i AM A BERNIE SANDERS DELEGATE IN IOWA. i also know for sure what this was when i first read it. Seriously, there is enough shit to worry about without just trusting some fake story.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)but you are being very unkind.
I am not lying. This is my first year being a delegate and I am learning. However, this is not a fake story.
And yes, the District Convention was held on Apr 30. When I wrote this, I just counted back two weeks. I didn't remember the exact day, so I guessed around May 1.
I'm hurt that a fellow Bernie delegate from Iowa would accuse me of making this up from whole cloth. That's unfortunate.
marytnurse
(2 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)hyp3rcrav3
(1 post)The Republicans have been at this all along. They want to run against Hillary because they have been spending 30 years sowing the seeds of her defeat. The Radical Right Wants to run against Clinton. They are ready for her. They have no idea how to run against Sanders. They are doing everything they can to make sure Sanders doesn't win.
They also needed a way to test drive the Right Wing Voter Suppression Machine. so In Arizona, it messes with all Democrats but there were polling people telling Sanders voters to 'go home unless you (they) were going to vote for a real candidate".
I am convinced this was to frame Clinton and split the Democratic Party. Same in the Bronx and everywhere else there has been trouble.
Finally, with Clinton being framed for voter suppression in the Democratic primaries, it will be easy for the Radical Right to claim she won the general election by fraud. It will be more believable because of all of this shit happening now. They will use this as a reason for armed revolt.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I want to fully disclose all of the information, and I learned a lot today from calling the Polk County Auditor's Office.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)from just a web forum.
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)on the young turks show. Not kidding!
LisaL
(46,668 posts)Despite OP claiming she had no idea why she was a registered Republican, she was posting on DU in 2012 that she registered as a Republican.
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)coco77
(1,327 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)or did you mean you were shocked that you were STILL a registered Republican?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021456173
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)at the end of April--when I got a call that I was a registered Republican, and I had our District Convention coming up in a few days.
I was shocked that I was a Republican--because nearly a month earlier, on March 12, I had participated in our County Convention as a Bernie delegate and passed the credentials check that all Bernie delegates went through. It took nearly 2 hours to check all of our credentials one by one, as the Hillary supporters contested each Bernie delegate's credentials.
I was shocked that I was a Republican because I had re-registered as a Democrat the night of our Feb 1st Caucuses, in order to participate.
I didn't think that being a Republican before, had anything to do with this. As far as I was concerned, I had been a Democrat at the March 12th Convention and I had re-registered again as a Democrat on Feb 1st.
That is why I called the auditor's office. I posted the info I learned from the auditor immediately after getting off the phone. That they had no record of me switching back to D; and they also had no record of me registering as a Dem on Feb 1.
And yes, you are repeatedly posting the glaring error I made about when I said I switched from R back to D. You have posted at least 20 posts about this--starting threads. Replying on many different posts. I am doing my best to keep up with everything that you are posting about this situation.
I obviously made a huge error regarding when I switched my registration. But I know I switched it. I had to physically go down to the auditor's office downtown. Yesterday, after the auditor told me that my registration was never switched, I was completely blown away. I immediately told my husband this and I asked him if he remembered when I switched. He didn't, but I knew it was after an election. I thought it was after the Republican caucuses. I knew I wanted to get that switched back. I obviously did not do it then, and most likely did it around the timeframe after the GE.
I am shocked about all of this frankly! I apologize to everyone for getting the timeframe wrong. But my mistake does not negate the fact that I did switch my registration from R to D (and there's no record of that).
I also re-registered as a Democrat on Feb 1, the night of the caucuses--because I was not on the voter rolls, like half of the other registered Dems who showed up that night (and there's no record of that either).
I am embarrassed that I got the timeframe wrong and am doing my best to try to explain it. I understand that people don't believe me, and that is fine. It's a confusing story and I was wrong about when I switched back.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)You're how old and you don't pay attention to this?
And you want to be a convention delegate?
creeksneakers2
(7,607 posts)They can still claim Hillary stole your Democratic registration changes.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Bernie is an anger merchant- no surprise his followers are a bunch of angry entitled whiners
brush
(57,933 posts)Maybe good for small towns in Iowa but just silly in major cities because of all the people left out, including independents, who work, or go to school and can't spend 3-4 hours just to vote. Then comes the county convention, and then the state convention. Ridiculous. Most people don't have time for that.
Caucuses are vote suppressing and antiquated.
Just get the vote count and delegate count done in one day with a primary just like was done tonight in Oregon.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)Well now that you mention it . . .
4. I will be doing this!
I have been a lifelong Democrat, and I am very progressive. I am going to switch
my registration to Republican, in order to caucus for Ron Paul.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=92913
I have to agree.
jpmonk91
(290 posts)And keep being active. My heart goes out to all of those that had thier registration switched for no reason. That really needs to be looked at.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I don't think I've ever seen so many views on one thread! Someone is watching! That is an amazing number of people tuning in.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...right?
nolabear
(43,274 posts)When faced with a "maybe" and a strong desire to see something that supports a much loved belief, I can understand why conjecture might seem like truth. But it's not. I need proof.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Is enough.
Sancho
(9,106 posts)Only eight of these ineligible delegates people who werent registered Democrats as of May 1 or failed to provide missing identification information even attempted to register at the State Convention.
Six of the 64 potential delegates were seated after investigation.
Fourty-four of the 64 potential delegates had prior notice of ineligibility and the Sanders campaign had every opportunity to provide the necessary documentation.
The ten members of the State Conventions Credentials Committee consisted of an equal number of supporters from both campaigns.
Buzz cook
(2,597 posts)That had their credentials removed?
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