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61. I hate the TPA, and the TPP, but I love Hillary, they are not one and the same

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 10:49 PM

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FT is NOT about "trusting President Obama". FT is NOT just about the TPP. [View all] Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 OP

I think that if it means giving up power, then congress will not pass it. notadmblnd Apr 2015 #1

the oligarchs are salivating HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #5

Jeb Loves Obama billhicks76 Apr 2015 #32

I bet he likes Hillary also! pocoloco Apr 2015 #44

Yes. Sad But True billhicks76 Apr 2015 #69

OMG!!! NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #76

No. I Know Reality billhicks76 Apr 2015 #111

Of course he loves Obama. The Obama Administration decided not to indict his brother totodeinhere Apr 2015 #108

Bill Covered Up For Bush Sr billhicks76 Apr 2015 #112

If it gives them more free time, less worries, bvar22 Apr 2015 #16

yep. The unitary executive isn't about our president or theirs, Volaris Apr 2015 #29

"Unitary executive" is a fancy, ambiguous way for saying "king", imo deutsey Apr 2015 #90

I have to admit, you have a point. notadmblnd Apr 2015 #39

Some members of Congress did sue over Libya but the court dismissed the lawsuit merrily Apr 2015 #84

Very rich and powerful people are behind it. Congress will see their POV. merrily Apr 2015 #54

That's what the IWR was, and the same types jumped on it. Marr Apr 2015 #98

Yep. I suppose it's fruitless to point out to those trusting souls that cali Apr 2015 #2

"It's kind of formulaic at this point." delrem Apr 2015 #41

I will trust Obama 4now Apr 2015 #3

Then trust him right off the cliff just like workers did with Clinton and all his trade disasters. Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #6

And some people will continue to spout nonsense 4now Apr 2015 #10

Millions of lost jobs, declining wages, & 8 trillion dollars in trade deficits the past 30 years Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #14

And all of that sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #20

That is hyperbolic nonsense. And I spelled it correctly too. BreakfastClub Apr 2015 #123

..... Skittles Apr 2015 #82

"Trusting Obama" means also trusting the next President, who may not be a Dem. n/t winter is coming Apr 2015 #7

You mean like the vast majority of congressional dems? cali Apr 2015 #13

"the vast majority of congressional dems?" 4now Apr 2015 #15

yes. the estimate is that only around 20 or so in the house support it cali Apr 2015 #17

No list of this "vast majorty"? 4now Apr 2015 #18

look, I'll give you links tomorrow cali Apr 2015 #19

No big deal. I just thought you might have a link 4now Apr 2015 #22

Please tell me what we get from this deal, that helps us QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #51

Our best chance to defeat this is a coalition of Tea Party Republicans and totodeinhere Apr 2015 #116

-- IDemo Apr 2015 #38

What he hell do we gain from the TPP, currencies can still be manipulated QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #46

What axe to grind do you assume ordinary people have? merrily Apr 2015 #55

How astute n/t arcane1 Apr 2015 #62

Great, and once Congress hands over its power to negotiate Trade Agreements to Obama, sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #67

....! KoKo Apr 2015 #115

Do you have any reason for supporting Fast Track and the TPP besodes JDPriestly Apr 2015 #80

Excellent points that I would hope is a concern even to Obama's most diehard fans DJ13 Apr 2015 #4

President Obama SamKnause Apr 2015 #8

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that when we sign 'free trade' deals Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #33

I watched it. One thing that stood out for me was this "dig into it and find out for yourself." How jwirr Apr 2015 #42

I watched as well. SamKnause Apr 2015 #49

That 75,000 is questionable math. It assumes a Korean car bought is a portion of an American job l Hoyt Apr 2015 #81

It's the corporations who are greedy, not Americans dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #101

What if it is an engineering construction company that takes US employees and goes overseas to build Hoyt Apr 2015 #102

Thanks for revealing where you are coming from dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #103

Shows your thought process. I'm for creating additional disincentives, and the TPP does that. Hoyt Apr 2015 #104

I see, you think that's what this treaty is about dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #106

It is one aspect. The agreement covers a lot of ground. Are you really that obtuse? Hoyt Apr 2015 #107

He is very apt at laughing SamKnause Apr 2015 #52

Not to mention that the average TV viewer is not accustomed to reading treaties and desn't merrily Apr 2015 #65

Chris Matthews was the moderator. Enough said. He did not ask much. Just made fun of the jwirr Apr 2015 #94

Was Obama still making Matthews' leg tingle? Also, Matthews wife is running as a Dem. merrily Apr 2015 #121

Remember when he did that with the public option? merrily Apr 2015 #64

There is that bully pulpit! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #86

Exactly. SamKnause Apr 2015 #87

+1, it comes out for the important stuff. Marr Apr 2015 #100

k/r Thomas Jefferson nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #9

Thank you, I was just going to do this, so thanks for saving me the sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #11

In effect, passing fast track this time could be giving Bush that power. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #47

They may trust Obama, we all may do that, but he is not going to be President for life. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #50

I've been seeing that a lot lately. merrily Apr 2015 #58

You are very welcome. SamKnause Apr 2015 #89

Obama cannot be a credible negotiator without TPA. tritsofme Apr 2015 #12

You fail to consider that the TPP only deals with trade issues in 5 of the 29 chapters. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #48

What does this agreement do for us? QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #53

Why worry about the Constitution? merrily Apr 2015 #59

There is no constitutional conflict with TPA. tritsofme Apr 2015 #71

Riiiiight. merrily Apr 2015 #73

Congress agrees to give the president an up or down vote. tritsofme Apr 2015 #75

The Constitution does not set it up that way. merrily Apr 2015 #77

You don't explain why TPA causes conflict. tritsofme Apr 2015 #79

Then you are okay with Congress playing no role in legislation that affects the people of this sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #97

You don't appear to understand what TPA is or how it works. tritsofme Apr 2015 #109

I'll take the word of credible organizations and most of our best Democrats, who refused to give sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #110

Pretty simple, if it is bad deal with bad provisions, Congress should reject it. tritsofme Apr 2015 #113

+1.. Hoyt Apr 2015 #74

You ignore the "fast" part of fast track. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #85

That artificial timeline is itself artificial. tritsofme Apr 2015 #117

I believe you're incorrect about the effect of TPA. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #118

Who would enforce the timeline? The Sargent in Arms? tritsofme Apr 2015 #119

There's an official Parliamentarian who makes rulings. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #120

From a general process standpoint, I agree with you. However the ruling from the parlementarian is tritsofme Apr 2015 #125

Would SCOTUS even allow it? After all they did strike the Line Item Veto Act back in 1998 cstanleytech Apr 2015 #21

There are no constitutional issues with TPA, this is just a paranoid rant. tritsofme Apr 2015 #23

So it was the law of the land that the president didnt have to get approval from congress cstanleytech Apr 2015 #25

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about right now. tritsofme Apr 2015 #28

I apologize if I misread it then as I thought it was an attempt to take some of the power cstanleytech Apr 2015 #31

Limited Debate, No Amendments, only a yes or no vote with no input QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #56

If it is a bad deal, they can say no. tritsofme Apr 2015 #72

And how good have those 32 years been.... daleanime Apr 2015 #30

Pretty damn godawful. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #36

A Republican Congress and a Republican SCOTUS are going to fight the rich and powerful? merrily Apr 2015 #60

k ibewlu606 Apr 2015 #24

Come back soon...it's so nice when you leave! tritsofme Apr 2015 #26

To the Greatest Page. Re: "Trust" and politicians: woo me with science Apr 2015 #27

I hate the TPA, and the TPP, but I love Hillary, they are not one and the same QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #61

Well stated...Thank You! KoKo Apr 2015 #91

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #34

K&R. I agree. I don't want any of the Fast Trade. Corporations already have too much power. Overseas Apr 2015 #35

Free trade, my ass. GeorgeGist Apr 2015 #37

Obama's history shows he cannot be trusted to do the right thing without being severely pushed by us blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #40

MSNBC just delivered an infomercial for the TPP raindaddy Apr 2015 #43

Lawrence O'Donnell had a pro-TPP propaganda segment. myrna minx Apr 2015 #57

Obama's taking care of us, everything he's done has been for the middle class. raindaddy Apr 2015 #68

Normally I refute "third" way BS with links and footnotes, but after the Chris Matthews interview myrna minx Apr 2015 #70

MSNBC is establishment. That's what MSNBC told Cenk when the Obama WH complained merrily Apr 2015 #63

....! KoKo Apr 2015 #114

K&R n/t Oilwellian Apr 2015 #45

Lesson learned - I do not trust 840high Apr 2015 #66

K & R Duppers Apr 2015 #78

Politics is not supposed to be about faith in a charismatic leader. That would be religion. merrily Apr 2015 #83

Wish I could have rec'd a hundred times! TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #88

.....! Recommend for exposure and for most of the infomative, intelligent comments. KoKo Apr 2015 #92

Democracy? What an amazing concept - TBF Apr 2015 #93

K&R raouldukelives Apr 2015 #95

reminds me of how in CA a lot of county measures fail because they only got 66.2% of the vote MisterP Apr 2015 #96

Bet you $5 there are 'with FT authority' and 'without FT authority' versions of this deal. /nt Marr Apr 2015 #99

It sounds like a completely separate question treestar Apr 2015 #105

When congress is full of a bunch of RW loons then.. DCBob Apr 2015 #122

Very good point davidpdx Apr 2015 #124