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Tom of Temecula

(1,446 posts)
Sat May 11, 2024, 02:35 AM May 11

'Men Must Be Governed': The Christian Nationalist Worldview Laid Bare By Pastor Joel Webbon

Joel Webbon is a Christian nationalist pastor at Covenant Bible Church in Texas and the founder of Right Response Ministries. Through his ministry, Webbon organizes events like “Blueprints for Christendom 2.0: Seven Doctrines for Ruling the World,” which took place earlier this year and featured militant Christian nationalists like Doug Wilson and Oklahoma state Sen. Dusty Deevers as speakers.

Webbon also hosts a podcast called “Theology Applied,” which he uses to promote his far-right theology, as he did during a recent episode in which he declared that the American people have become such “degenerates” that the Constitution is no longer adequate and therefore they must be governed by a Christian dictator who “just rules with an iron fist.”

Last month, Webbon delivered a sermon called “Why Many Christians Don’t Want A Christian Nation,” during which he laid out this theocratic worldview in greater detail, asserting that people are too stupid and cowardly to govern themselves and thus must ruled by a Christian leader who “comes in with a sword” and forces everyone to, at the very least, “pretend to be Christian.” “The average person is a coward. They are,” Webbon declared. “And the average person is not intelligent. They’re not. And the average person is not a free thinker.”

“Men must be governed,” he continued. “They must. That is absolutely true. Men must be governed. Now, ideally, men would govern themselves … but when you don’t have a populace that is capable of self-governance—when the fruit of the Spirit that is self-control has left the building for decades and nobody seems to have it—then men must be governed. And if they will not govern themselves, then someone else needs to govern them.”



https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/men-must-be-governed-the-christian-nationalist-worldview-laid-bare-by-pastor-joel-webbon/
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keithbvadu2

(37,365 posts)
5. Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the few thousand elites
Sat May 11, 2024, 07:31 AM
May 11

We have plenty of folks who want to be the Christian Ayatollah of America.

Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the few thousand elites actually in charge.

Those millions are useful tools for those who will actually be in charge.

One poster called it a 'new social feudalism age'.

Same same for a theocracy.

NanaCat

(2,126 posts)
9. Like all the idiots who read Plato's Republic
Sat May 11, 2024, 10:47 AM
May 11

And automatically think they'll be the Philosopher-Kings.

DiverDave

(4,901 posts)
6. He's saying basic humans are sheep.
Sat May 11, 2024, 07:43 AM
May 11

Nothing new. They (the zealots) have been saying it for 2,000 years.
That we need a shepherd.
That's why poor people vote for no taxes on wealthy people.
Because they are convinced they will be wealthy, one day.
It's all bullshit. Even he is deluded into thinking HE will be a shepherd.

Need to keep an eye on lunatics like this.

Renew Deal

(81,947 posts)
7. What would an average man like Joel Webbon do with the non-Christians in this scenario?
Sat May 11, 2024, 08:03 AM
May 11

And I’m not just talking about the atheists.

LetMyPeopleVote

(146,728 posts)
10. America was NOT founded as a christian nation
Sun May 12, 2024, 06:16 PM
May 12

The founders signed a treaty affirming that the US was NOT founded as a christian nation



keep_left

(1,845 posts)
12. We were warned many years ago about these kinds of movements, and...
Sun May 12, 2024, 09:55 PM
May 12

...how they often become influential during times of crisis in democratic, open societies.

Erich Fromm, in Escape From Freedom, and Eric Hoffer, in The True Believer, both explained why these mass movements have appeal to various disillusioned and disenfranchised groups. The kind of rhetoric employed by Joel Webbon could have come directly out of either of Fromm or Hoffer's works.

And unfortunately, these kinds of movements are often just barely sub rosa in open societies, even during the good times. There is a famous letter by President Eisenhower to a constituent, in which Eisenhower recommended the Hoffer book. It is known as the "Biggs letter", after the name of the constituent.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218041638#post17
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017842811#post8

GenThePerservering

(1,983 posts)
13. "The average person is a coward.
Mon May 13, 2024, 01:02 AM
May 13
...They are,” Webbon declared. “And the average person is not intelligent. They’re not. And the average person is not a free thinker.”

Just keep underestimating the rest of us, you clown.
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