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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 03:43 AM Feb 2018

CIA CALLS BULLSHIT ON INTERCEPT/NYT STORY ABOUT LOST $100K TO TRUMP KOMPROMAT DEALER!

Sorry if this has already be posted ... every post about this story I've commented on (and been a few now) I've said UNLESS this story is BULLSHIT altogether.

Looks like the CIA (in a rare public statement) is indeed calling BULLSHIT ... INTERESTING!

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/cia/373323-cia-pushes-back-on-fictional-report-that-it-was-bilked-by

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CIA CALLS BULLSHIT ON INTERCEPT/NYT STORY ABOUT LOST $100K TO TRUMP KOMPROMAT DEALER! (Original Post) mr_lebowski Feb 2018 OP
Not a surprise.. and bad enough Cha Feb 2018 #1
Not a surprise, pretty obvious reasons to be skeptical about article sharedvalues Feb 2018 #11
Haven't read the story yet but shanny Feb 2018 #2
This story has been fishy since it first dropped, I dewsgirl Feb 2018 #3
It was a reputable reporter at the Intercept, Rosen I think his name is ... it was not Greenwald ... mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #4
Thank you, there's quite a lot of confusion surrounding dewsgirl Feb 2018 #5
Yeah, not like the NYT has ever pushed disinformation before, is it? RandomAccess Feb 2018 #21
I knew it: it's the boogeyman. shanny Feb 2018 #6
Do not care what the credentials are of who reported this standingtall Feb 2018 #7
Yeah, I'm sure that the CIA-- shanny Feb 2018 #9
Russian intel lies for a living too. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #12
A truism. What's your point? shanny Feb 2018 #15
Spot on. nocalflea Feb 2018 #19
Seth Abramson breakdown Roland99 Feb 2018 #8
Abramson is not super reputable sharedvalues Feb 2018 #14
There is something truly "off" going on with Donald Trump. UCmeNdc Feb 2018 #10
Trump is a Russian asset RandomAccess Feb 2018 #22
NYT needs a real public editor- their reputation is at stake sharedvalues Feb 2018 #13
Btw, it's "Risen." shanny Feb 2018 #16
Risen has been writing about Miller sharedvalues Feb 2018 #17
I am aware of the back story. shanny Feb 2018 #18
Oddly, you ask about Risen-Miller. When I provide evidence, you backtrack. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #20

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
11. Not a surprise, pretty obvious reasons to be skeptical about article
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 08:56 AM
Feb 2018

Especially given Russian standard practice of planting false stories like this.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
2. Haven't read the story yet but
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:11 AM
Feb 2018

the CIA lies for a living...just sayin'.

Eta: now I have. Anybody think the spooks would not deny a story that makes them look bad? Puhleeese.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
3. This story has been fishy since it first dropped, I
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:34 AM
Feb 2018

Believe the first to break it was Glenn Greenwald, the Intercept.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
4. It was a reputable reporter at the Intercept, Rosen I think his name is ... it was not Greenwald ...
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:47 AM
Feb 2018

The fact that NYT picked it up and seemed to report it as fact/verified gave addt'l weight to the story.

Honestly I'm not sure anymore what to believe on this whole mess ...

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
5. Thank you, there's quite a lot of confusion surrounding
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:52 AM
Feb 2018

This story, as well as I imagine a bit of purposeful misinformation.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
6. I knew it: it's the boogeyman.
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 05:49 AM
Feb 2018

The New York Times and James Risen at The Intercept have reported it.

Pulitzer Prize winning James Risen--not the Dread Pirate Glenn Greenwald.

Risen, btw, has reported extensively on the CIA before, has written 2 books on the CIA (mostly Bush era), has had his reporting disputed by the CIA before, and has had said reporting supported by later release of documents. I doubt if the CIA views him fondly.

In short, they have more than one ax to grind. And they lie for a living.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
7. Do not care what the credentials are of who reported this
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 07:22 AM
Feb 2018

I do not believe for one second the CIA was swindled in an effort to obtain damaging info on Trump. If anything just like most of the FBI most of the CIA probably favored Trump.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
9. Yeah, I'm sure that the CIA--
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 08:49 AM
Feb 2018

those well known Russia aficionados--were totally in the bag for Trump.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
12. Russian intel lies for a living too.
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 08:57 AM
Feb 2018

Disinformation is a russian specialty.

And this moment in history is a time for all sides to want to to control the narrative.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
15. A truism. What's your point?
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:09 AM
Feb 2018

CIA is trying to control the narrative?
Russian Intel is trying to control the narrative?
NYT / James Risen are trying to control the narrative?

Only one of those three does not lie for a living. And this isn't their first rodeo.

I know who I am more likely to trust.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
14. Abramson is not super reputable
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:03 AM
Feb 2018

Be careful with Abramson.


Read Asha Rangappa, John Sipher, Just Security, and Lawfare. (Note Lawfare leans right, but they generally do a good job otherwise. Ignore the ex-Starr guy)

UCmeNdc

(9,589 posts)
10. There is something truly "off" going on with Donald Trump.
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 08:56 AM
Feb 2018

Why are so many Russians trying to protect Trump and his administration?

Why is Trump so ready to use any Russian operation against the CIA as if it is a benefit to the Trump administration?


Trump and his administration should be mad that this is being discussed publicly whether it is true or not true.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
13. NYT needs a real public editor- their reputation is at stake
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:00 AM
Feb 2018

Dean baquet needs to rehire a real public editor now.


The US republic is at stake. We need a NY Times we can trust. They need to re-examine that Nov 16 story saying “No Trump-Russia ties”. And this story.

(After the president is out of office they can examine the Judith Miller/Rizen stories. That’s important. But it can wait a year or two.)

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
17. Risen has been writing about Miller
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:29 AM
Feb 2018

And how Risen’s stories calling WMD lies were suppressed by the NYT editors who put Miller on the front page.

I believe it’s in this article. But maybe the podcast with Scahill.

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/03/my-life-as-a-new-york-times-reporter-in-the-shadow-of-the-war-on-terror/


Risen also did a GREAT interview with Chris Lydon’s podcast on this topic.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
18. I am aware of the back story.
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:42 AM
Feb 2018

I am just confused because your previous posts seem to indicate support for CIA over Risen, and then an apparent attempt to equate him with Miller.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
20. Oddly, you ask about Risen-Miller. When I provide evidence, you backtrack.
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:32 PM
Feb 2018

You asked for the back story and I gave it to you.

The NYT has some problems. They do good work too. I wish Dean Baquet would fix the Times. Haberman's ties to the Kushner family, and the "No Russia-Trump" story are both huge.

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