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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 04:58 PM Apr 2018

Joan Walsh has been following and editing Joy for a long time

I was very sad to see Joan Walsh leave MSNBC. I have been following Joan Walsh for a very long time and I have a great deal of confidence in her judgment. Joan Walsh has been following Joy Reid for a long time and has published Joy Reid. Based on her long experience with Joy Reid, Joan Walsh does not believe the reports on Reid's alleged homophobic remarks



















Walsh is honest to admit that she has not read everything that Joy Reid has posted but she does have a good feel for who Joy Reid is.
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Joan Walsh has been following and editing Joy for a long time (Original Post) Gothmog Apr 2018 OP
We can stop complicating this (not that you or Joan are) Joy is an enemy of the KGB Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1
Joy Reid hasn't made many friends on the far left, either. These tweets are illuminating. George II Apr 2018 #2
I said not on the right, meaning far left. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #4
oops, I missed that "not", sorry! George II Apr 2018 #5
What do you call them? Sugarcoated Apr 2018 #58
I knew that already. Cha Apr 2018 #9
Yep malaise Apr 2018 #12
Same here Gothmog Apr 2018 #18
Yup... SidDithers Apr 2018 #17
Agreed.. They turned on the twitter/facebook bots and attacked mitch96 Apr 2018 #47
They're responding to attacks on Ingraham and Hannity. helmedon1974 Apr 2018 #54
Joan Walsh raises very good questions, particularly: First, why are there no replies to the Squinch Apr 2018 #3
That's a HUGE point I noticed this morning when this started to really blow up - why are there.... George II Apr 2018 #6
If Wikileaks, Greenwald and Turner are pushing the story, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #11
Among others. Joy has enemies, I am familiar with who they are. I feel her. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #15
The lack of comments on these provisions is very telling Gothmog Apr 2018 #20
Your point about the lack of comments is a good one... indeed, it's what primarily convinces me InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #56
Exactly! kag Apr 2018 #39
There's lots of solicitous concern from the usual suspects like Greenwald. lapucelle Apr 2018 #7
Huh, maybe @ggreenwald can explain his blatant racism from 2005 in between holier than thought Cha Apr 2018 #27
!!! Hassler Apr 2018 #52
Thank you for making this an OP, Goth.. Cha Apr 2018 #8
Cha-I was glad to Gothmog Apr 2018 #23
Huh, maybe @ggreenwald can explain his blatant racism from 2005 in between holier than thought .. Cha Apr 2018 #25
Greenwald is a liar and can not be considered to be a journalist Gothmog Apr 2018 #65
Oh yes she did! Too bad some refused to listen. GWC58 Apr 2018 #29
What are you talking about? Cha Apr 2018 #30
Hillary warned us about just these kind of people. GWC58 Apr 2018 #34
No, I just wasn't sure Cha Apr 2018 #35
The more I learn about this, the more it stinks. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #10
These newly "uncovered" posts have zero comments which is very unusual for her columns. Cha Apr 2018 #13
I believe nothing pushed by Greenwald and Breitbart mcar Apr 2018 #14
+1. They're liars and traitors. dalton99a Apr 2018 #21
Agreed-both are sources that I do not trust Gothmog Apr 2018 #22
Well, there you have it. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #28
Smear job mcar Apr 2018 #31
It certainly smells like a smear job (I smelled the same stench with the allegations re Al Franken) groundloop Apr 2018 #37
Kick and Reced! ehrnst Apr 2018 #16
Kick dalton99a Apr 2018 #19
I have been watching Al Franken for 20 years and while I cannot say that I saw every photograph . . grantcart Apr 2018 #24
K&R brer cat Apr 2018 #26
I believe Joy! GWC58 Apr 2018 #32
I believe this can be summed up by "Fake News". TNNurse Apr 2018 #33
And a feeding frenzy on it by ehrnst Apr 2018 #36
The Joy Reid Saga: The Wayback Machine cannot guarantee authenticity Gothmog Apr 2018 #38
There is a Twitter user, Jamie Maz, who uses the handle, R B Garr Apr 2018 #40
Here's her Twitter feed: OilemFirchen Apr 2018 #50
kick TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #41
The lynching of Joy Ann Reid by the Bernie left Gothmog Apr 2018 #42
Great read! mcar Apr 2018 #43
Yep. nt SunSeeker Apr 2018 #63
K&R! mia Apr 2018 #44
Thanks for posting this. peabody Apr 2018 #45
K&R musette_sf Apr 2018 #46
Given the entities that are pushing this story, I believe Joy. Tatiana Apr 2018 #48
Does anyone honestly think Joy doesn't support LGBT rights? SunSeeker Apr 2018 #49
K&R betsuni Apr 2018 #51
You are really getting to the bottom of this attack, Gothmog, R B Garr Apr 2018 #53
sounds like the republican's dirty tricks trying to kill reputation of someone who demigoddess Apr 2018 #55
So Joan wasn't troubled by the Charlie Christ posts (which Joy has admitted to, and apologized for)? oberliner Apr 2018 #57
Bingo Azathoth Apr 2018 #59
Yes, exactly... nt Raine Apr 2018 #60
Not surprising, but I fear it won't matter. kcr Apr 2018 #61
From Malcom Nance Gothmog Apr 2018 #62
K&R treestar Apr 2018 #64

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
1. We can stop complicating this (not that you or Joan are) Joy is an enemy of the KGB
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:01 PM
Apr 2018

rump and a certain group not on the right.

That is all we need to know.

I believe what Joy says and NOTHING anyone in any of those THREE groups says.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
4. I said not on the right, meaning far left.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:09 PM
Apr 2018

Far left is a misnomer though, they arent far left, they arent left at all, but that is another discussion.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
18. Same here
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:09 PM
Apr 2018

I like Salon and have been following Joan Walsh for a very long time.

I miss her on MSNBC

mitch96

(13,822 posts)
47. Agreed.. They turned on the twitter/facebook bots and attacked
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:13 PM
Apr 2018

Prolly the Mercers got pissed at what she says and told their Russian cronies to turn up the heat...
m

 

helmedon1974

(92 posts)
54. They're responding to attacks on Ingraham and Hannity.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:50 AM
Apr 2018

Journalist on the left generally don't have much dirt on them. Failed assaults on Lawrence O'Donnell, Mika and Joe (get rid of Joe as far as I'm concerned. We could all use some morning Will you), several on CNN. Joy is being groomed for a weekday show, probably mid morning, with the way she's sitting in for everyone. She's intelligent, honest, good at her job, an actual journalist....and a strong black woman......the right hates that.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
3. Joan Walsh raises very good questions, particularly: First, why are there no replies to the
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:09 PM
Apr 2018

offending posts, despite the fact that Joy's posts were generally heavily commented? There are only crickets in the comments sections for the offending posts.

Second, why has no one unearthed these offending posts till now? Joy has been on the air for a good long time. Others have gone looking for ways to take her down, I'm sure. Why were these not found?

The fact that Wikileaks and Greenwald and Nina Turner are pushing this story are enough for me to discount it.

I support Joy. And I miss Joan too.

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. That's a HUGE point I noticed this morning when this started to really blow up - why are there....
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:13 PM
Apr 2018

....many responses to many posts on that blog but none in response to the most offensive posts that are there. Looks like Putin's Puppets screwed up when they planted all that crap.

Also the other attempt earlier this year (or late last year?) failed miserably when Joy Reid apologized wholeheartedly and sincerely. I guess it took three or four months to go to "Plan B".

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
11. If Wikileaks, Greenwald and Turner are pushing the story,
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:30 PM
Apr 2018

that's enough for me to assume it's bullshit unless and until conclusively proven otherwise.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
20. The lack of comments on these provisions is very telling
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:12 PM
Apr 2018

I agree with Walsh. If there was the offending language in these blogs, there would have been a ton of strong comments with respect to this material. The bernie types who hacked the site got lazy and forgot to add some comments to the comment section of the blog.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
56. Your point about the lack of comments is a good one... indeed, it's what primarily convinces me
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:31 AM
Apr 2018

it was a hack job, absent evidence to the contrary. But why the pettiness by stooping to unfounded accusations against "Bernie types who hacked the site"? You have zero evidence of that and you know it, so please stop. It's beneath you.

kag

(4,076 posts)
39. Exactly!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:43 PM
Apr 2018

"The fact that Wikileaks and Greenwald and Nina Turner are pushing this story are enough for me to discount it."

Yup.

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
7. There's lots of solicitous concern from the usual suspects like Greenwald.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:14 PM
Apr 2018

It reminds me of the "lock her up" mentality. Someone must be very scared of Ms Reid.

I believe Joy.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
28. Well, there you have it.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:29 PM
Apr 2018
14. I believe nothing pushed by Greenwald and Breitbart
Well, there you have it. Neither do I.

groundloop

(11,488 posts)
37. It certainly smells like a smear job (I smelled the same stench with the allegations re Al Franken)
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:27 PM
Apr 2018

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
24. I have been watching Al Franken for 20 years and while I cannot say that I saw every photograph . .
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:17 PM
Apr 2018

Fool a bunch of other guys once, shame on you.


Try and fool them again and I am getting tired of this crappola.
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
36. And a feeding frenzy on it by
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:58 PM
Apr 2018

many self-described 'progressives."

But this group has been targeted successfully with propaganda before, as we now know.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
38. The Joy Reid Saga: The Wayback Machine cannot guarantee authenticity
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:39 PM
Apr 2018

The wayback machine does not guarantee anything https://burningbird.net/the-joy-reid-saga-the-wayback-machine-cannot-guarantee-authenticity/#.WuDw69w6PTy.twitter

The same cannot be said for the actual Wayback Machine archives.

The Wayback Machine is an invaluable historical record of the web. Through it, I’ve been able to recover past writings lost because of all the many changes I’ve made to my web site. It’s a wonderful way of exploring the web’s history.

However, the Wayback Machine is not, and never has been, a definitive source of the authenticity of what it captures on the web. It has access to a web page at a specific location at a specific time…but no special privilege that allows it to determine the authenticity of the author of the content in the page.

As noted by Chris Butler at the Internet Archives, home organization for the Wayback Machine:

When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions. At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities.

Pages archived at different dates and by different entities... This statement is key to understanding the difference between Wayback Machine’s archival functionality as separate from the media’s assumption of Wayback Machine as Super Authenticator, able to leap tall metadata with a single bound!

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
40. There is a Twitter user, Jamie Maz, who uses the handle,
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:51 PM
Apr 2018

"Not a Bot" who is posting on DailyMail about Reid's blog. His/her syntax is off, as well as punctuation that looks to be beyond just internet sloppy typing. I bet "Jamie Maz, Not a Bot", *IS* a bot.

Great posts, Gothmog!

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
50. Here's her Twitter feed:
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:22 AM
Apr 2018
https://twitter.com/Jamie_Maz

If you scroll past the Joy Reid "posts" (replete with her typical misspellings and grammatical errors) you'll find that she rather despises Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the Democratic Party.

How unusual.


On edit: He's a she, apparently.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
42. The lynching of Joy Ann Reid by the Bernie left
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:07 PM
Apr 2018

The attacks on Joy Reid by certain groups are sad https://medium.com/@investigator_21314/the-lynching-of-joy-ann-reid-by-the-bernie-left-c7de005a19fb

For almost a year now, a very vocal segment of Bernie Sanders supporters have harassed and stalked black activists, journalists and contributors on Twitter and other social media sites. Behind this campaign was the fact that a lot of black voters didn’t vote for Bernie, which was met with incredible anger by a part of the Bernie left.

Instead of analyzing why POC were critical of Bernie, or why Bernie refused to campaign among POC, they started to harass and intimidate black Twitter users.

The list of victims to this aggressive crowd of Bernie supporters is long by now: Joy Ann Reid, Donna Brazile, Jehmu Greene, Neera Tanden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Yamiche Alcindor, Zerlina Maxwell, and less known Twitter users: Angry Black Lady (Imani Gandy), T_FisherKing, Mr Dane/ Mr Weeks, Sir James, Ange_Amene, Bravenak and many, many more.

What these people have in common is that

A: they’re POC,

B: they’re at times very critical of Bernie Sanders.

This in itself is enough for ongoing extreme harassment, stalking, threats, intimidation and worse.

mia

(8,356 posts)
44. K&R!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:14 PM
Apr 2018
Those of us who followed the politics of race, class and gender more than a decade ago know Joy Reid.

peabody

(445 posts)
45. Thanks for posting this.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:16 PM
Apr 2018

I support Joy--this smells a lot like a smear campaign. Unfortunate, there are people on DU that are falling for it.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
48. Given the entities that are pushing this story, I believe Joy.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:14 PM
Apr 2018

I think it's horrible that she is being set up like this.

I guess if it worked on Franklin, maybe a similar tactic will work on another strong, intelligent voice working on behalf of the public in television.

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
49. Does anyone honestly think Joy doesn't support LGBT rights?
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:41 PM
Apr 2018

This whole Greenwald/Breitbart attempted smear of Joy is just stupid.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
53. You are really getting to the bottom of this attack, Gothmog,
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:35 AM
Apr 2018

Such excellent posts and threads about who is attacking Joy and what their motives are.

There are now lots of informative posts about how Joy Reid has been targeted.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
55. sounds like the republican's dirty tricks trying to kill reputation of someone who
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:09 AM
Apr 2018

brings the dems together.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
57. So Joan wasn't troubled by the Charlie Christ posts (which Joy has admitted to, and apologized for)?
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:55 AM
Apr 2018

And none of the people she had monitoring the Reid Report blog were bothered by them either?

Azathoth

(4,603 posts)
59. Bingo
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 02:02 AM
Apr 2018

Moreover, if the site was hacked back in 2006, that means the posts were still there back when she was allegedly "following" Reid's writing.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
61. Not surprising, but I fear it won't matter.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 08:15 AM
Apr 2018

It seems they don't have to pay attention to detail when they smear our side. Too many are willing to believe and once they do, that's it. Al Franken was a perfect example.

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