General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"The President can not be indicted while in office"
Serious question: what if he murders someone? What if the president, with his own hand, picks up a gun and shoots someone dead?
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Considering how much the Founders worried about tyranny, they really screwed up if a President is immune from all laws short of impeachment.
BannonsLiver
(16,294 posts)Ive come to realize the genius of the founders we all learned about in school is REALLY overrated.
Stargleamer
(1,985 posts)from being inducted even while not in office!
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)........nothing.......here.....
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The President does not produce electric current in a fluctuating magnetic field.
Stinky The Clown
(67,761 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)hlthe2b
(102,120 posts)There is disagreement as to whether or not they can be indicted and just not tried until out of office, either through impeachment or resignation or.... Laurence Tribe is among those who thinks that they CAN be indicted. There is a DOJ memorandum suggesting no, but that is more a formulated policy that can be changed than any reviewed legally binding opinion.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)he got a knife (not a gun since a gun is OK with them) and stabbed a woman he got pregnant in the stomach in order to abort the baby. Oh, and it would have to be on live camera. Only then would it even be considered a crime by his base.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That question has been addressed already.
You know hes gonna do it.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)TomSlick
(11,088 posts)I understand the arguments but it's too easy to conjure a hypothetical in which a President must be indicted.
The other problem is a statute of limitations. If a President can't be indicted while in office and the statute of limitations runs during the remainder of the President's term, that would mean s/he can't be indicted at all. I'll concede that issue would only apply to relatively minor offenses but it's still an issue.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)They are about other things like answering subpoenas and so on, but the courts have always ruled that the president is not above the law. All arguments that he can't be indicted and prosecuted while in office place him above the law, so I think the answer should be pretty clear.
struggle4progress
(118,228 posts)I had assumed this meant he only planned to shoot people who didn't vote for him, but apparently it's actually a Republican theory about the Pesident's constitutional powers
Civic Justice
(870 posts)RockRaven
(14,899 posts)and the issue gets litigated all the way up to SCOTUS, the idea that a President cannot be indicted is more commonly-accepted hypothesis than robustly-evidenced theory.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,865 posts)Mueller is just putting together the proof.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,564 posts)I think they proved that in Bush v. Gore.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Wouldn't that make sense?
TomSlick
(11,088 posts)The impeach part is easy. The remove part is a hard lift.
If say 34 Republican Senators vote against removal for strictly political reasons, what then?
sinkingfeeling
(51,438 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)A sitting president can most definitely be indicted and convicted of crimes. What we will then have is a true criminal in the WH until Congress does the needful.
Gothmog
(144,919 posts)LisaL
(44,972 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)Civic Justice
(870 posts)NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW !!!!
Perspective and Context Matters !!! it matters as to who, what, when, where, how and why; as to manner and perspective of context that the indictment is structured. Which by such principle, he can be "Indicted".
Nobody is above the law, privilege extend to the point of obstructive conduct and criminal as well as malfeasance and certainly when it come to Misprision of Felony and Treasonous conduct by/through participation by act and fact, of submission, acts of omission and lack of contrition for acts and actions, and conduct that damages the United States, Its Government, and its Divisions within Governance.
Trump and his cabinet is guilt of all. Republican Congress is guilty of Aiding and Abetting the same.
It invokes a Fracture in our System, and Mending that Fracture will correct and clarify, that "NOBODY" is above the Law.
PRISON FOR TRUMP
kentuck
(111,052 posts)But you can put turnip in jail.
MontanaMama
(23,295 posts)podcasts and he believes that Mueller may not move to indict the president. Made my blood run cold.
bearsfootball516
(6,373 posts)Sitting back and expecting Mueller to take care of everything isnt the state of mind we should have. We should be gearing up for the midterms this summer, and then getting ready for a metaphorical war in 2020 to beat Trump at the ballot box.
That way, if Mueller does take down Trump, great. And if he doesnt, were ready to kick him out in 2020.
MontanaMama
(23,295 posts)This is sure to be a dog fight the whole way through. Success hinges on taking Congress back and keeping it for the foreseeable future. We need to stabilize our country, culture, environment, education system and economy etc to stem the damage thats been done.
Civic Justice
(870 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)The Constitution provides no such immunity. Maybe the DOJ does this as a practice but that can change.
duforsure
(11,884 posts)And the rule of law is gone if anyone, including a President doesn't have to answer to the rules and laws everyone has to abide by. If a President can't be indicted for crimes he IS above the law , and answers to nobody, not what was ever intended, and just because he has this powerful position, it doesn't include abuse of power, or being held to a different standard because of it. A President is indictable , while in office, or there is no limit to what he could corrupt , and do, and get away with.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)I don't believe it is true.