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"The President can not be indicted while in office" (Original Post) Stinky The Clown May 2018 OP
Apparently he gets away with it if Congress does nothing. OliverQ May 2018 #1
Throughout the Trump shit show BannonsLiver May 2018 #38
Bone Spurs can keep a fella Stargleamer May 2018 #2
Your golfball's Mr. President. Corgigal May 2018 #3
Bone spurs kept him from induction. Please check spelling. n/t rzemanfl May 2018 #4
It was right the first time jberryhill May 2018 #8
Traction, however, is likely Stinky The Clown May 2018 #11
Neither does he use any form of logic. marylandblue May 2018 #12
Everyone has a dicitonary out tonight. n/t rzemanfl May 2018 #18
'Inducted', like into the mafia? LOL. I know you meant 'Indicted' hlthe2b May 2018 #5
He would be excused by his cult/fans, religious nuts and the GOP unless BigmanPigman May 2018 #6
In the middle of Fifth Avenue jberryhill May 2018 #7
On Fifth Avenue. nt tblue37 May 2018 #9
Actually that is not settled law. Demsrule86 May 2018 #10
Yeah, I'm not convinced the President can't be indicted. TomSlick May 2018 #17
I think Trump is that hypothetical. Demsrule86 May 2018 #40
Prof Tribe agrees Gothmog May 2018 #26
No man or woman should ever be above the law. Demsrule86 May 2018 #39
The only relevant precedents are uniform but are not about indictment. marylandblue May 2018 #13
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters" struggle4progress May 2018 #14
Only one who knows "they are backed by the foolish" would make such a claim Civic Justice May 2018 #31
Until there is an attempt to indict a President RockRaven May 2018 #15
Mueller is in charge. Everything is possible. democratisphere May 2018 #16
The courts are in charge SCantiGOP May 2018 #20
The five conservative justices on the SCOTUS are in charge. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2018 #37
When dems get control in congress and Senate this needs to be fixed blueinredohio May 2018 #19
Impeach. Remove Indict mainstreetonce May 2018 #21
Yeah, but TomSlick May 2018 #22
Bulls**t. sinkingfeeling May 2018 #23
No one is above the law in this country. roamer65 May 2018 #24
From AG Holder Gothmog May 2018 #25
He wouldn't lose any support if he shot someone-he said so himself. LisaL May 2018 #27
From Rep. Nadler Gothmog May 2018 #28
Is there something about the word "Nobody" that is confusing? Civic Justice May 2018 #29
There is an old saying that you cannot get blood out of a turnip. kentuck May 2018 #30
Was listening to one of Preet Bharara's MontanaMama May 2018 #32
That's a possibility that we should be planning for. bearsfootball516 May 2018 #33
100%. MontanaMama May 2018 #34
100% !!!!!!!!!!!! Civic Justice May 2018 #41
Says Who? bitterross May 2018 #35
He violates his oath to office and the Constitution duforsure May 2018 #36
if true he would have to be removed or step down first scarytomcat May 2018 #42
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
1. Apparently he gets away with it if Congress does nothing.
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:42 PM
May 2018

Considering how much the Founders worried about tyranny, they really screwed up if a President is immune from all laws short of impeachment.

BannonsLiver

(16,294 posts)
38. Throughout the Trump shit show
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:43 PM
May 2018

I’ve come to realize the genius of the founders we all learned about in school is REALLY overrated.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. It was right the first time
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:48 PM
May 2018

The President does not produce electric current in a fluctuating magnetic field.

hlthe2b

(102,120 posts)
5. 'Inducted', like into the mafia? LOL. I know you meant 'Indicted'
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:45 PM
May 2018

There is disagreement as to whether or not they can be indicted and just not tried until out of office, either through impeachment or resignation or.... Laurence Tribe is among those who thinks that they CAN be indicted. There is a DOJ memorandum suggesting no, but that is more a formulated policy that can be changed than any reviewed legally binding opinion.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
6. He would be excused by his cult/fans, religious nuts and the GOP unless
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:45 PM
May 2018

he got a knife (not a gun since a gun is OK with them) and stabbed a woman he got pregnant in the stomach in order to abort the baby. Oh, and it would have to be on live camera. Only then would it even be considered a crime by his base.

TomSlick

(11,088 posts)
17. Yeah, I'm not convinced the President can't be indicted.
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:59 PM
May 2018

I understand the arguments but it's too easy to conjure a hypothetical in which a President must be indicted.

The other problem is a statute of limitations. If a President can't be indicted while in office and the statute of limitations runs during the remainder of the President's term, that would mean s/he can't be indicted at all. I'll concede that issue would only apply to relatively minor offenses but it's still an issue.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
13. The only relevant precedents are uniform but are not about indictment.
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:55 PM
May 2018

They are about other things like answering subpoenas and so on, but the courts have always ruled that the president is not above the law. All arguments that he can't be indicted and prosecuted while in office place him above the law, so I think the answer should be pretty clear.

struggle4progress

(118,228 posts)
14. "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters"
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:57 PM
May 2018

I had assumed this meant he only planned to shoot people who didn't vote for him, but apparently it's actually a Republican theory about the Pesident's constitutional powers

RockRaven

(14,899 posts)
15. Until there is an attempt to indict a President
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:58 PM
May 2018

and the issue gets litigated all the way up to SCOTUS, the idea that a President cannot be indicted is more commonly-accepted hypothesis than robustly-evidenced theory.

TomSlick

(11,088 posts)
22. Yeah, but
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:19 PM
May 2018

The impeach part is easy. The remove part is a hard lift.

If say 34 Republican Senators vote against removal for strictly political reasons, what then?

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
24. No one is above the law in this country.
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:47 AM
May 2018

A sitting president can most definitely be indicted and convicted of crimes. What we will then have is a true criminal in the WH until Congress does the needful.

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
29. Is there something about the word "Nobody" that is confusing?
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:12 AM
May 2018

NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW !!!!

Perspective and Context Matters !!! it matters as to who, what, when, where, how and why; as to manner and perspective of context that the indictment is structured. Which by such principle, he can be "Indicted".

Nobody is above the law, privilege extend to the point of obstructive conduct and criminal as well as malfeasance and certainly when it come to Misprision of Felony and Treasonous conduct by/through participation by act and fact, of submission, acts of omission and lack of contrition for acts and actions, and conduct that damages the United States, Its Government, and its Divisions within Governance.

Trump and his cabinet is guilt of all. Republican Congress is guilty of Aiding and Abetting the same.

It invokes a Fracture in our System, and Mending that Fracture will correct and clarify, that "NOBODY" is above the Law.

PRISON FOR TRUMP

MontanaMama

(23,295 posts)
32. Was listening to one of Preet Bharara's
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:21 AM
May 2018

podcasts and he believes that Mueller may not move to indict the president. Made my blood run cold.

bearsfootball516

(6,373 posts)
33. That's a possibility that we should be planning for.
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:26 AM
May 2018

Sitting back and expecting Mueller to take care of everything isn’t the state of mind we should have. We should be gearing up for the midterms this summer, and then getting ready for a metaphorical war in 2020 to beat Trump at the ballot box.

That way, if Mueller does take down Trump, great. And if he doesn’t, we’re ready to kick him out in 2020.

MontanaMama

(23,295 posts)
34. 100%.
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:34 AM
May 2018

This is sure to be a dog fight the whole way through. Success hinges on taking Congress back and keeping it for the foreseeable future. We need to stabilize our country, culture, environment, education system and economy etc to stem the damage that’s been done.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
35. Says Who?
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:34 AM
May 2018

The Constitution provides no such immunity. Maybe the DOJ does this as a practice but that can change.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
36. He violates his oath to office and the Constitution
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:43 AM
May 2018

And the rule of law is gone if anyone, including a President doesn't have to answer to the rules and laws everyone has to abide by. If a President can't be indicted for crimes he IS above the law , and answers to nobody, not what was ever intended, and just because he has this powerful position, it doesn't include abuse of power, or being held to a different standard because of it. A President is indictable , while in office, or there is no limit to what he could corrupt , and do, and get away with.

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