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TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
Thu May 17, 2018, 04:34 PM May 2018

Still Peddling False Equivalence Between Trump Collusion and Steele Dossier? Let Me Make It Simple

The Republican flying monkey squad (ie-Fux News, House Republicans, and the AM radio goons) are doing their best to peddle a false equivalence between the Clinton Campaign paying a company that hired former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele to talk to Russian intelligence officers, and the Trump Campaign getting dirt on Hillary Clinton from Russian intelligence officers.


Let's make the distinction very simple, shall we?

1. Trump took opposition research from a HOSTILE FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, which is intent on weakening, damaging, or destroying the United States. The information was obtained by breaking U.S. laws, and deliberately released by the Putin government as an official act of policy. The Trump Campaign's efforts were PART of a Russian plot.

2. All Steele did was secretly talk to members of the Russian government, and all he did was to EXPOSE the Russian plot.

3. If you still can't see the difference, simply consider this: The Russians that Trump talked to are all doing fine, while the Russians that Steele talked to ARE ALL DEAD NOW.

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Still Peddling False Equivalence Between Trump Collusion and Steele Dossier? Let Me Make It Simple (Original Post) TrollBuster9090 May 2018 OP
Lemme see....former MI6 intelligence officer versus Kremlin agents and Russian trolls. Tommy_Carcetti May 2018 #1
But BOTH SIDES talked to Russian secret agents. So, it MUST be the same, right? TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #3
4. The investigation into the campign began before the SD came to light GusBob May 2018 #2
Yes, that little fact has made them have to ammend the current conspiracy theory. TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #6
Yes the informant was sent to entrap them. GusBob May 2018 #7
I've been wondering if there is a list Control-Z May 2018 #4
Dead, in jail, or 'missing' We need a comprehensive list. TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #8
I'm hoping there is a list somewhere. Control-Z May 2018 #26
Definitely different. But, the white wing racists that voted for trump will never get it or care. Hoyt May 2018 #5
What Republican campaign was financing Steele before Clinton? mwooldri May 2018 #9
It was Bill Kristol and the Washington Free Beacon that originally funded the research TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #12
First Off...Let's Remember Me. May 2018 #10
Yep. Bill Kristol, and the Washington Free Beakon, I believe. But TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #14
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2018 #11
Thanks Al! nt TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #16
You're welcome Uncle Joe May 2018 #17
Hah! I just noticed you're using the BIRDIE gif! I love that one. TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #20
... Uncle Joe May 2018 #24
Now THAT'S what I call a FRONT ROW SEAT! TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #25
Giving a K&R for "Republican flying monkey squad" apnu May 2018 #13
Haha! Thanks! But I can't take credit for that one. Mike Luckovich had a cartoon about it. TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #15
Awesome. apnu May 2018 #19
Thanks! TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #23
Nobody on Hillary's campaign has been charged or plead guilty. Trump can't say the same for his. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #18
Hehe! Yes! But whenever you point out that ten people from Trump's campaign have TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #21
"Why did Mr Trump repeatedly seek deals in a notoriously corrupt state most serious investors shun?" Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #22
Trump is mentally compromised trickyguy May 2018 #27
k&r BSdetect May 2018 #28
do I remember correctly that the original request for info came from the rnc? niyad May 2018 #29
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton" progressoid May 2018 #30

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
3. But BOTH SIDES talked to Russian secret agents. So, it MUST be the same, right?
Thu May 17, 2018, 04:44 PM
May 2018

Those goofy syllogisms always make the Fox viewers throw a connection fit, and wave their prehensile tails with glee.

Joseph Stalin had a handlebar mustache
Geraldo Rivera has a handlebar mustache
Ergo
Geraldo Rivera is a f-ing latino BOLSHEVIK! I KNEW IT!!!

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
2. 4. The investigation into the campign began before the SD came to light
Thu May 17, 2018, 04:44 PM
May 2018

The FBI was investigating Papadopolous and Page prior to the Steele dossier was known to them

5. When the dossier was initially given to the FBI, they tossed it around but did nothing much about it

6. The folks that the FBI talked to, Flynn, Manafort, Cohen and others are all in big trouble.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
6. Yes, that little fact has made them have to ammend the current conspiracy theory.
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:04 PM
May 2018

It's always amusing, but whenever you confront somebody who believes a crackpot conspiracy theory with facts that argue against the theory, they never take it as proof that the conspiracy theory is false. They take it as proof that the conspiracy is even BIGGER than they imagined! It must be, in order for somebody to go through all the trouble of putting out false 'facts!' MORE people are involved!

The fact that the investigation into Papadopoulos started BEFORE the Steele dossier has forced the RW-nutosphere to come up with an even more frightening conspiracy theory. They now say that the FBI sent a spy named Stefan Halper to fill George Papadopoulos's head full of ideas that the Russians had Clinton's emails, and then sent Australian diplomat Alexander Downer to get him drunk, and repeat what Halper said, as if it was his own idea. And therefore providing the excuse to spy on the Trump campaign.

Their latest crackpot theory is that the FBI deliberately entrapped the Trump Campaign in order to bring him down. *sigh*

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
7. Yes the informant was sent to entrap them.
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:09 PM
May 2018

Cuz' that's what FBI informants do. Right

The fact is they had an FBI informant then for the same reason they have leakers in the WH now. Because some level-headed person with a conscience can see they are a bunch af crooks

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
8. Dead, in jail, or 'missing' We need a comprehensive list.
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:13 PM
May 2018

I was keeping track for awhile, but have since given up on the number of Russian-linked sources that have either been killed or just vanished (like Joseph Mifsud...the latest one).

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
26. I'm hoping there is a list somewhere.
Thu May 17, 2018, 06:48 PM
May 2018

It needs to become part of the conversation again. How many are dead, in a Russian jail, or missing. And how they were connected to Trump.

I also wonder if any were disappeared on US soil.

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
9. What Republican campaign was financing Steele before Clinton?
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:23 PM
May 2018

I don't remember which campaign but it was AFAIK a Republican campaign that started the Steele research.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
12. It was Bill Kristol and the Washington Free Beacon that originally funded the research
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:41 PM
May 2018

It was neo-conservative Republican Bill Kristol, and the Washington Free Beakon that originally funded the opposition research through Fusion GPS while Trump was still running against the establishment Republicans to get the GOP nomination. I assume Kristol wanted Jeb Bush or somebody to be the nominee instead of Trump. Then, after Trump was the official Republican nominee Kristol stopped funding the research, and the Clinton campaign picked it up.

How does that square with the Republican line that the Steele Dossier was a phoney 'Democrat' thing? They pull a little slight of hand over the fact that (I believe) Christopher Steele wasn't hired until after the Clinton Campaign took over the funding.

But that's a distinction that only matters to Republican flacks, and the knuckle-draggers they're feeding it to.

You're right, the Fusion GPS opposition research was originally funded by Republicans.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
14. Yep. Bill Kristol, and the Washington Free Beakon, I believe. But
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:45 PM
May 2018

But I'm pretty sure Kristol was operating on Bush's behalf. But I'm sure Kristol would have been equally happy to have Rubio, Graham, or any of the other conventional neo-cons instead of Trump.

Kristol stopped funding the oppo research after Trump officially got the nomination, and then the Clinton Campaign picked it up. Steele wasn't hired until after the Clinton Campaign began the funding.

That's a NOTHING distinction. The effort to stop Trump WAS originally started by Republicans. But that little detail hasn't stopped GOP flack throwers from claiming that the Steele Dossier is a 'Democrat party' thing.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
20. Hah! I just noticed you're using the BIRDIE gif! I love that one.
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:56 PM
May 2018

My wife is still wearing an (extremely sexy) 'BIRDIE SANDERS' tee shirt as a night shirt!

apnu

(8,722 posts)
13. Giving a K&R for "Republican flying monkey squad"
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:43 PM
May 2018

Thank you sir, you just won DU for the day. Take a victory lap.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
15. Haha! Thanks! But I can't take credit for that one. Mike Luckovich had a cartoon about it.
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:46 PM
May 2018

Back on Halloween, I think...

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,779 posts)
18. Nobody on Hillary's campaign has been charged or plead guilty. Trump can't say the same for his.
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:51 PM
May 2018

All they have left is ginning up conspiracy theories about the mythical "deep state" staging a "coup".

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
21. Hehe! Yes! But whenever you point out that ten people from Trump's campaign have
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:58 PM
May 2018

already plead guilty...they just say "but NONE of them plead guilty to collusiion with the Russians!" Um..yeah, that's the whole point. Mueller is allowing them to plead guilty to lesser charges IN EXCHANGE for turning state's evidence.

Have these people never seen a SINGLE episode of law & Order? Hahah!

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,779 posts)
22. "Why did Mr Trump repeatedly seek deals in a notoriously corrupt state most serious investors shun?"
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:59 PM
May 2018

According to Fusion GPS's co-owners, Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch, they did not tell Steele who their ultimate clients were, only that Steele was "working for a law firm",[9] and they "gave him no specific marching orders beyond this basic question: 'Why did Mr. Trump repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most serious investors shun?'"[33]

trickyguy

(769 posts)
27. Trump is mentally compromised
Thu May 17, 2018, 07:12 PM
May 2018

and consequently doesn't see what damage he does to OUR government
but is mainly interested in promoting himself and his brand around the world
as in Trump Tower Moscow.

progressoid

(49,824 posts)
30. "The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
Fri May 18, 2018, 03:45 PM
May 2018
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"


That's all the RWing hears on Fox and AM radio

"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
"The Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton"
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