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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:08 PM May 2018

Avenatti back on TV already.

Hmm. He got criticized a bit by the Judge today over his "publicity tour," but he's back on TV already. I know he decided not to get involved with the Cohen hearing so maybe that's why he's doing it. Still figured he'd take a break.

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Avenatti back on TV already. (Original Post) OliverQ May 2018 OP
Since he's withdrawn his request to appear in the Cohen case pro hac vice, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #1
And he has something better thegoose May 2018 #11
His tweet here... lamp_shade May 2018 #2
Judge for themselves what happened with what? oberliner May 2018 #3
As long as he's weakening the Con and his goons PR media offensive malaise May 2018 #4
If it weakens Trump and co. then that's good oberliner May 2018 #5
I don't know either malaise May 2018 #7
Did you forget she was threatened by one of Trump's goons? Kingofalldems May 2018 #9
Is that part of the suit against Michael Cohen? oberliner May 2018 #12
Personally I think she--and therefore her attorney shanny May 2018 #13
+1000 triron May 2018 #10
He wants to expose how SD was paid . chowder66 May 2018 #14
To what end? oberliner May 2018 #15
The best case scenario is for his client chowder66 May 2018 #19
Those are good points oberliner May 2018 #20
It may be functionally invalid but the NDA may cover other points chowder66 May 2018 #22
I don't think he's on the air as his client's counsel, and I don't think this tweet is about SD Mr. Ected May 2018 #16
That makes sense oberliner May 2018 #21
As I understand it, he learned from a reporter that a tape exists of a conversation The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #26
He SHOULD stay on TV manor321 May 2018 #6
Oh, FFS. A lawyer doesn't have a "First Amendment right" to go on tv The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #18
Seriously? Wow. Just wow. onenote May 2018 #24
Trumpites don't seem to like him. Kingofalldems May 2018 #8
People on DU don't like him LakeArenal May 2018 #17
Michael Avenatti is terrific and is helpful in screwing trump, IMO..n/t monmouth4 May 2018 #23
+1000 triron May 2018 #37
read what the judge actually said. spanone May 2018 #25
Judge Reads Riot Act to Lawyer for Stormy Daniels oberliner May 2018 #36
There is a curious uptick in anti-Avanetti posts on the DU today Tarc May 2018 #27
Trolls? YessirAtsaFact May 2018 #30
Listened on Lawrence tazkcmo May 2018 #28
Who is Donald? oberliner May 2018 #31
Lol tazkcmo May 2018 #32
Lawrence O'Donnell oberliner May 2018 #33
No no tazkcmo May 2018 #35
THIS IS FALSE !! Lawrence O read the judges words and she wasn't being derogatory in or out of ... uponit7771 May 2018 #29
No it's not oberliner May 2018 #34
Looks like Avenatti may not agree with the judge's assessment triron May 2018 #39
She explicitly said she's not being dergatory in the reading Lawrence O read tonight. You know that uponit7771 May 2018 #40
he opted out of the lawsuit fallout87 May 2018 #38

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,270 posts)
1. Since he's withdrawn his request to appear in the Cohen case pro hac vice,
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:11 PM
May 2018

he's not constrained from going on TV.

 

thegoose

(3,115 posts)
11. And he has something better
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:41 PM
May 2018

He said on Ari's show that one of the tapes definitely has Orange Anus on with Cohen. He didn't say what was discussed, but it's got to be some good shit.

lamp_shade

(14,796 posts)
2. His tweet here...
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:14 PM
May 2018


Michael Avenatti?
Verified account
@MichaelAvenatti
Follow Follow @MichaelAvenatti
More
Be clear: We are going to continue to bring the facts and evidence to the American people so they can judge for themselves what happened. This is a search for the truth. We will use sunlight as the ultimate disinfectant. Let the chips fall where they may. #TrumpTapes #Basta

2:20 PM - 30 May 2018
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. Judge for themselves what happened with what?
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:19 PM
May 2018

What is he arguing at this point? Is it still that Trump should let SD out of the NDA? Didn't she already go on TV and tell her story? What truth is he searching for?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. If it weakens Trump and co. then that's good
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:23 PM
May 2018

I just literally don't know what he means in terms of what he is fighting for with respect to his client at this point. What does Stormy Daniels want right now?

malaise

(267,799 posts)
7. I don't know either
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:26 PM
May 2018

but Avenatti is the reason they have the buffoon noun/verb/9/11 all over cable and network TV making a fool of himself. Go Avenatti!!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. Is that part of the suit against Michael Cohen?
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:46 PM
May 2018

I thought there was a separate defamation lawsuit against Trump for accusing SD of lying about the goons, in addition to the lawsuit against Cohen with respect to the legality of the NDA. (And a third defamation lawsuit against Cohen as well?)

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
13. Personally I think she--and therefore her attorney
Wed May 30, 2018, 07:31 PM
May 2018

--is on a crusade. It ain't just money (although money is always nice) it's personal. TRump and his goons threatened her, she hates/despises him and it's payback time.

As she said on SNL in response to the question from tRump/Alec Baldwin, "how can I make this go away? She answered, "Resign."

They say all comedy has an element of truth. I think she meant it, and I think that is why Avenatti has been "unleashed."

chowder66

(9,010 posts)
14. He wants to expose how SD was paid .
Wed May 30, 2018, 07:35 PM
May 2018

He is concerned about SD's previous lawyer working (against SD) with Cohen and wants information to come out about this as well.

chowder66

(9,010 posts)
19. The best case scenario is for his client
Wed May 30, 2018, 08:06 PM
May 2018

He is trying to prove that Cohen's NDA is invalid and in the process is exposing Cohen (and Trump's) lies and cover up.
SD also has a defamation lawsuit against Cohen, I think.
Then there is the matter of the physical threat. Avenatti doesn't like that these men have used their power to intimidate her and to try to shut her up.

So, the best case scenario is to show that the NDA is invalid, that there was a cover up and prove SD has been telling the truth. I suppose this could also help the other women who may have had NDA's with Cohen and (Dennison) lol.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Those are good points
Wed May 30, 2018, 08:11 PM
May 2018

Though it does seem like the NDA has already been rendered functionally invalid at this point.

chowder66

(9,010 posts)
22. It may be functionally invalid but the NDA may cover other points
Wed May 30, 2018, 08:17 PM
May 2018

that prohibit her from other actions. Either way, she does need to get that resolved so she is not sued by people with a lot more money than her [on edit] down the road.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
16. I don't think he's on the air as his client's counsel, and I don't think this tweet is about SD
Wed May 30, 2018, 07:44 PM
May 2018

I think he fashions himself a bit of a crusader for truth with respect to the crimes of Donald J. Trump, wishing to take whatever evidence he can uncover that implicates Trump in criminal activity and introducing it directly to the people. I see it as a dangerous but potentially effective strategy to refute the propaganda and lies of the right. I trust his judgment to know where lines are drawn, legally, and to honor and abide by those lines. I think his action today - to withdraw from further involvement with the ongoing Cohen criminal case - aligns with that sentiment.

Mr. Avenatti is a media spokesperson first and an attorney second. He used to latter to access the former.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
21. That makes sense
Wed May 30, 2018, 08:11 PM
May 2018

I am not entirely sure I agree with that assessment but it does seem reasonable.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,270 posts)
26. As I understand it, he learned from a reporter that a tape exists of a conversation
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:25 PM
May 2018

between Cohen and Daniels' former lawyer, Davidson, in which Davidson discloses to Cohen material protected by the attorney-client privilege. He does not want that tape disclosed to the public because of information it contains, which is a reasonable concern. He does want the other tapes disclosed to the public but I don't know that he's in a position to demand that.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
6. He SHOULD stay on TV
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:25 PM
May 2018

He's one of the heroes of this story.

And Kimba Wood can go take a short walk on a long pier for trying to shut down his first amendment rights.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,270 posts)
18. Oh, FFS. A lawyer doesn't have a "First Amendment right" to go on tv
Wed May 30, 2018, 07:59 PM
May 2018

and make statements that could jeopardize a person's right to a fair trial if that lawyer is representing another party in that case. He's perfectly free to say whatever he wants about Cohen (that isn't defamatory) as long as he's not involved in Cohen's case. The rules of professional conduct of the NY Bar specifically prohibit a lawyer who is involved in a case from making any public statement that might be prejudicial toward a party in the case:

" (a) A lawyer who is participating in or has participated in a criminal or civil
matter shall not make an extrajudicial statement that the lawyer knows or reasonably
should know will be disseminated by means of public communication and will have a
substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing an adjudicative proceeding in the matter."

And more, here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10674351

The judge is following the law. She told Avenatti, in accordance with the rules of professional conduct and the court's duty to protect the rights of a probable criminal defendant, that he could choose between getting involved in the Cohen case or talking about it on tv. He chose tv.

LakeArenal

(28,713 posts)
17. People on DU don't like him
Wed May 30, 2018, 07:46 PM
May 2018

Call him a camera hound and a publicity stunt.

Whatever it takes, he’s smart and cagey. He’s on the right side as far as I’m concerned.

And he’s great to look at.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
36. Judge Reads Riot Act to Lawyer for Stormy Daniels
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:54 PM
May 2018
MANHATTAN (CN) – A federal judge warned the lawyer for porn actress Stormy Daniels on Wednesday that his attacks against the president’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen, could interfere in Cohen’s rights to a fair trial.

Wrapping up a heated one-hour hearing this morning, U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood emphasized that the proceedings here are “a potential precursor to a criminal trial if charges are filed against Mr. Cohen.”

“I either want you to participate, or not be in the matter at all,” Wood told attorney Michael Avenatti. “I don’t want you to have some existence in a limbo where you’re free to denigrate Mr. Cohen, and I believe potentially deprive him of a fair trial by tainting a jury pool. I know a jury, if there is one, is way down the road, and memories certainly may fade, but this conduct is inimicable to giving Mr. Cohen eventually a fair trial.”

The dressing-down came after Cohen’s attorney Stephen Ryan urged the court to exclude California-based Avenatti from the proceedings.

https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-for-stormy-daniels-paints-cohen-as-leaker-at-hearing/

tazkcmo

(7,286 posts)
28. Listened on Lawrence
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:35 PM
May 2018

It was interesting hearing Donald reading the transcripts of the hearing and exciting to hear about the tapes. Just when I was thinking what a great segment that was, on comes Jill Winebanks to give her comments on it all.

But wait! There's more!

The trio then went on and had a Ghouliani slam fest.

I love Donald's show.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
29. THIS IS FALSE !! Lawrence O read the judges words and she wasn't being derogatory in or out of ...
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:36 PM
May 2018

... context and was asserting Avenatti couldn't be so public if he was actually taking a part in the proceedings, that's it.

Come on, there was no criticism about his actions

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
34. No it's not
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:53 PM
May 2018
Judge Reads Riot Act to Lawyer for Stormy Daniels

“I either want you to participate, or not be in the matter at all,” Wood told attorney Michael Avenatti. “I don’t want you to have some existence in a limbo where you’re free to denigrate Mr. Cohen, and I believe potentially deprive him of a fair trial by tainting a jury pool. I know a jury, if there is one, is way down the road, and memories certainly may fade, but this conduct is inimicable to giving Mr. Cohen eventually a fair trial.”

https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-for-stormy-daniels-paints-cohen-as-leaker-at-hearing/

triron

(21,914 posts)
39. Looks like Avenatti may not agree with the judge's assessment
Wed May 30, 2018, 11:43 PM
May 2018

He has a right to disagree. OTOH perhaps the judge was trying to give
an appearance of fairness to Cohen's attorneys.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
40. She explicitly said she's not being dergatory in the reading Lawrence O read tonight. You know that
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:13 AM
May 2018

... right?

What you posted is in the context of Avenatti being a part of the proceedings.

I read what LO read

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
38. he opted out of the lawsuit
Wed May 30, 2018, 11:41 PM
May 2018

because he had to choose between TV time and court.

That really tells us what kind of a lawyer he is.

Ambulance chaser at its finest.

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