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children around the country and keeping the press and people from visiting these detention centers. Also the coordination of building these tent camps and getting the military involved.
Who is doing this coordinating? How are they able to pull this off?
They screw up everything. They say they can't keep track of these kids and getting them back to their parents. Yet somehow the coordination of locking these kids in detention centers and moving them around the country and preventing Congressmen, Senators, Mayors, Governors and the MSM from visiting and inspecting these centers seems to be working perfectly for them. Who is doing this coordinating? Why? How are they able to pull this off? What is going on that we're not seeing and not getting?
I posted this within another thread - but thought that it should probably stand alone as an OP.
C_U_L8R
(44,888 posts)And it all goes back to Trumps desk.
Yet another reason why this upcoming election is so important.
madaboutharry
(40,147 posts)They aren't going to be able to hide this forever. It is only a matter of time, most likely days, before a whistleblower or even multiple whistleblowers, come forward and tell the American people exactly what is happening.
Also, so many lawyers are now involved. There will be documents that will be made public.
Girard442
(6,058 posts)They've had a long time to weed out the people who would have thrown sand in the gears of an operation like this.
KPN
(15,584 posts)"pull a fast one".
mopinko
(69,796 posts)this would be right in his sweet spot.
bdamomma
(63,647 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,225 posts)volstork
(5,393 posts)Sell them to the highest bidder who will then raise them to be christofascist nut jobs
Whatthe_Firetruck
(546 posts)...And it could be much worse for these vanished kids. sans advocates. I've said when this started that trafficking is highly likely and it will be uncommon but ugly.
MuseRider
(34,053 posts)They have been preparing for something like this forever. I doubt they knew what it was going to be or look like but they have been ready for a long time. Lots of little practice here and there overseas and right here at home with Christian Adoptions.
exboyfil
(17,857 posts)Cards when first seized could be used for tracking. Combine that with identity bracelets.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It was put on hold along with a number of other regulations a couple of years ago. It is a part of the process that should have never stopped. It makes no sense in the big picture.
OnDoutside
(19,905 posts)thbobby
(1,474 posts)He is a racist asshole, but I am sure he has the skill to organize this atrocity.
BigmanPigman
(51,414 posts)He is normally a rat, but now he has outdone himself. His folks must be so proud.
bdamomma
(63,647 posts)you hit the nail on the head, Is anyone asking for his dismissal. He is the orchestrater in all of this him and Bannon perhaps.
BigmanPigman
(51,414 posts)Remember the audio tape of the kids crying and the ICE/Border Patrol dude JOKED, "They sound like an orchestra. They need a conductor"? Miller is that conductor and Bannon is whispering in his ear. The thing is he won't get fired since he is as hateful, cruel and racist as the moron. They love him in the Oval Office. That is why Pruitt still has a job despite the corruption.
procon
(15,805 posts)and his administration don't even see them as human beings. Since they have shown themselves to be above the law, Trump isn't restricted by the civil or human rights of these immigrants, he doesn't have to conform to health and safety regulations, or maintaining scrupulous records for identifying and tracking documentation on every child, siblings and their guardians.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,225 posts)Sometimes the clownish incompetence appears to be a ruse to distract us from what is going on behind the scenes with this cruel administration. This did not happen overnight.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)If you can't leave, you're in a prison.
bdamomma
(63,647 posts)on this sick venture. Lawyers will be keeping busy on this. But in the meantime we have our names on this. Meaning we cannot stay silent on this, I hope the whistle-blowers come out in force.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)1. Move them around in the dead of night
2. Move them in commercial or non-ICE marked vehicles
3. Lie -- "No, those aren't detainees, these kids are going to the Junior Olympics" (A line similar to this was used to fool American Airlines)
dalton99a
(81,031 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)making big bucks taking over the logistics. Would bet that dumf and kind are invested also.
malaise
(267,733 posts)Who have infected every agency
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,075 posts)StTimofEdenRoc
(445 posts)surprised to hear the mayor of New York City and governor of New York say they had no idea these children were being held in their state until the last couple of days.
bdamomma
(63,647 posts)State governors are already pressing lawsuits on the government. Transporting kids at night there is more horrible stuff going on with this.
It will be a short matter of time before this gets out.
Leith
(7,802 posts)I have seen videos and interviews on TV with people who speak Spanish natively (their accents when speaking Spanish and English). How in the world are they getting these people to drive the cars, load up the trucks, and keep the kids quiet while they are in their prisons? Do they not realize that they are tools for the oppression of those of their same ethnicity? What are they telling people like the man that talked to malignia chump at the Potemkin Prison, for example?
Luz
(769 posts)Mexicans towards these immigrants. They use the "we're got here legally" excuse.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,751 posts)But yet they have no records or plans to re-unite.
Something does not add up. It could be incompetence or something more malevolent.
DeminPennswoods
(15,245 posts)They do have experience handling unaccompanied minors and evidently have an available network of foster homes and shelters.
I don't think they need all the secrecy and moving the kids in the middle of the night, throwing blankets over their heads like they did with the girls NY1 filmed. As a retired fed, I wouldn't be surprised to find out the agencies are required to keep the names and identities of the kids out of the public record for reasons of safety and security. My point is, this might not be what it seems on the surface.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,482 posts)would they have collected and kept at the time of detention to insure consistent identification and to insure each child could be reunited with the adults (photos, DNA, fingerprints, interview records, etc.)?
TIA........ .......
DeminPennswoods
(15,245 posts)and parents are assigned a unique, but matching ID number. This works for DHS, but evidently the number doesn't necessarily follow the kids when they go to HHS custody.
In another thread a DU'er asked why the parents and kids didn't get a plastic wrist band like you get when to the ER or hospital.
I'm thinking the only sure way to reunite these kids is with DNA testing, but I would not trust the Trump gov't with that data. I'd have an immigrant rights group hold the data, then destroy it once all the kids and parents are reunited.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,482 posts)I think most of us are still in shock that this could be happening at all. If these arrests had to be done, any responsible and moral government would have adequate facilities in place to house children and adults together.
DNA testing should work in most cases, although I heard a few of the kids were brought by friends or relatives that may not match. I totally agree with your proposition that DNA records should not be handled by a government agency.
bdamomma
(63,647 posts)but Mr. Trump refers to people who are not his kind "animals" and other countries "shit holes" my opinion there is definitely a lot of illegal stuff going on. Why not have Senators or Representatives gain access to see inside of these shelters???
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)When you are dealing with children in government custody in any form its a serious matter.
DeminPennswoods
(15,245 posts)enforced. Even adult children aren't necessarily entitled to know what's happening if their parent is hospitalized.
I suspect there's a similar rule/regulation in place for children.
IronLionZion
(45,236 posts)somebody planned this out and issued contracts to companies who specialize in such things
Tribalceltic
(1,000 posts)Is that a euphemism for Conspiracy?
Including Every Congress Critter and Voter with the republican disease.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,052 posts)debsy
(527 posts)This, IMO, is the absolute opposite of what is really happening. My bet is that the DUMPSTER'S ADMINISTRATION is working with RUSSIA to move these children into their human trafficking network. It is a perfect way for them to make huge amounts of money, after all, and we know that is the only thing that is important to any of them.
bdamomma
(63,647 posts)they are drugging up these kids and making them like zombies. Then they are depositing in States where officials have no idea where they came from.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Rustynaerduwell
(646 posts)yet.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)and trying to hide their evil
bdamomma
(63,647 posts)FSogol
(45,349 posts)or risk losing future contracts. It is a shame that so many are ready to do evil deeds to keep the govt money flowing to their pockets. These companies that are going along with this need to be exposed and punished. We need to draw the line somewhere.