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global1

(25,162 posts)
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:36 PM Jun 2018

I'm Blown Away By Their Coordination Of Moving These...

children around the country and keeping the press and people from visiting these detention centers. Also the coordination of building these tent camps and getting the military involved.

Who is doing this coordinating? How are they able to pull this off?

They screw up everything. They say they can't keep track of these kids and getting them back to their parents. Yet somehow the coordination of locking these kids in detention centers and moving them around the country and preventing Congressmen, Senators, Mayors, Governors and the MSM from visiting and inspecting these centers seems to be working perfectly for them. Who is doing this coordinating? Why? How are they able to pull this off? What is going on that we're not seeing and not getting?

I posted this within another thread - but thought that it should probably stand alone as an OP.

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I'm Blown Away By Their Coordination Of Moving These... (Original Post) global1 Jun 2018 OP
Yes - there have to be communications that can be subpoena'd C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #1
The whistleblowers will tell us. madaboutharry Jun 2018 #2
There have been stories around for a long time that ICE was shaping up to be an American Gestapo. Girard442 Jun 2018 #3
Easy -- just give a few hundred million $ to a DeVos family member and several other crooks to KPN Jun 2018 #4
we have a winner. where is eric prince? mopinko Jun 2018 #8
this is from the Daily Beast bdamomma Jun 2018 #36
That was my first guess - Eric Prince: assignment kidnap, move, hide, keep silent the babies. nt AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2018 #10
Don't forget the final step: volstork Jun 2018 #20
Or worse... Whatthe_Firetruck Jun 2018 #30
My first guess as well. MuseRider Jun 2018 #51
The amazing thing is simple fingerprint exboyfil Jun 2018 #5
Fingerprinting was mandatory at one point. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #15
Even take a DNA swab ? Unless it cuts across civil liberties of course. OnDoutside Jun 2018 #48
John Kelly? thbobby Jun 2018 #6
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2018 #7
Miller is the master mind behind this one I bet. BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #29
Bigman bdamomma Jun 2018 #37
Bannon...definitely! BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #42
Its probably a lot easier to shuffle people around like cattle because Trump procon Jun 2018 #9
I'm sure drugging the babies/kids help keep them quiet - that along with threats. nt AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2018 #11
Yeah PatSeg Jun 2018 #12
Prisons. It drives me crazy when the media calls them camps or detention centers. sarcasmo Jun 2018 #13
follow the money bdamomma Jun 2018 #38
Plenty of ways... For example: Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #14
"We're taking the underprivileged Hispanic children to church summer camp" dalton99a Jun 2018 #16
bet they have private organizations elmac Jun 2018 #17
White supremacists malaise Jun 2018 #18
They learned from the very best. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2018 #19
The Nazis would have loved the right wing propaganda machine. StTimofEdenRoc Jun 2018 #26
I was Rebl2 Jun 2018 #21
this is illegal bdamomma Jun 2018 #39
Here's What I Don't Understand Leith Jun 2018 #22
I live in San Antonio. The amount of hatred is deep in some Luz Jun 2018 #47
If not kidnapping, then they wouldn't have to use windowless trucks & at night. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #23
The kids are now in the custody of HHS/ORR DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #24
What sort of evidence and records.... KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #32
It was reported at the time of separation, the kids DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #35
Thanks for that info. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #45
Thank you for your insight. bdamomma Jun 2018 #41
I agree the "secrecy" is almost certainly due to privacy regulations Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #46
I know HIPPA, for medical records, is strictly DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #50
People are profiting from building the camps and transporting these kids IronLionZion Jun 2018 #25
Coordination Tribalceltic Jun 2018 #27
BOOM! Fantastic observation. Rachael should do a segment on this very subject. nt Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #28
I saw that the dumpster accused the Dems of human trafficking. debsy Jun 2018 #31
Money is being made I wouldn't doubt it bdamomma Jun 2018 #43
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #33
At least we know they're not tattooing their arms... Rustynaerduwell Jun 2018 #34
Sneaky republicans pissing all over families and children Achilleaze Jun 2018 #40
this is pure evil bdamomma Jun 2018 #44
It's being outsourced to some govt contractors that have to shut up about it FSogol Jun 2018 #49

C_U_L8R

(44,888 posts)
1. Yes - there have to be communications that can be subpoena'd
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jun 2018

And it all goes back to Trumps desk.

Yet another reason why this upcoming election is so important.

madaboutharry

(40,147 posts)
2. The whistleblowers will tell us.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:40 PM
Jun 2018

They aren't going to be able to hide this forever. It is only a matter of time, most likely days, before a whistleblower or even multiple whistleblowers, come forward and tell the American people exactly what is happening.

Also, so many lawyers are now involved. There will be documents that will be made public.

Girard442

(6,058 posts)
3. There have been stories around for a long time that ICE was shaping up to be an American Gestapo.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:40 PM
Jun 2018

They've had a long time to weed out the people who would have thrown sand in the gears of an operation like this.

KPN

(15,584 posts)
4. Easy -- just give a few hundred million $ to a DeVos family member and several other crooks to
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:40 PM
Jun 2018

"pull a fast one".

volstork

(5,393 posts)
20. Don't forget the final step:
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:08 PM
Jun 2018

Sell them to the highest bidder who will then raise them to be christofascist nut jobs

Whatthe_Firetruck

(546 posts)
30. Or worse...
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:58 PM
Jun 2018

...And it could be much worse for these vanished kids. sans advocates. I've said when this started that trafficking is highly likely and it will be uncommon but ugly.

MuseRider

(34,053 posts)
51. My first guess as well.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:16 PM
Jun 2018

They have been preparing for something like this forever. I doubt they knew what it was going to be or look like but they have been ready for a long time. Lots of little practice here and there overseas and right here at home with Christian Adoptions.

exboyfil

(17,857 posts)
5. The amazing thing is simple fingerprint
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jun 2018

Cards when first seized could be used for tracking. Combine that with identity bracelets.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. Fingerprinting was mandatory at one point.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:55 PM
Jun 2018

It was put on hold along with a number of other regulations a couple of years ago. It is a part of the process that should have never stopped. It makes no sense in the big picture.

BigmanPigman

(51,414 posts)
29. Miller is the master mind behind this one I bet.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:47 PM
Jun 2018

He is normally a rat, but now he has outdone himself. His folks must be so proud.

bdamomma

(63,647 posts)
37. Bigman
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:35 PM
Jun 2018

you hit the nail on the head, Is anyone asking for his dismissal. He is the orchestrater in all of this him and Bannon perhaps.

BigmanPigman

(51,414 posts)
42. Bannon...definitely!
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jun 2018

Remember the audio tape of the kids crying and the ICE/Border Patrol dude JOKED, "They sound like an orchestra. They need a conductor"? Miller is that conductor and Bannon is whispering in his ear. The thing is he won't get fired since he is as hateful, cruel and racist as the moron. They love him in the Oval Office. That is why Pruitt still has a job despite the corruption.

procon

(15,805 posts)
9. Its probably a lot easier to shuffle people around like cattle because Trump
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:10 PM
Jun 2018

and his administration don't even see them as human beings. Since they have shown themselves to be above the law, Trump isn't restricted by the civil or human rights of these immigrants, he doesn't have to conform to health and safety regulations, or maintaining scrupulous records for identifying and tracking documentation on every child, siblings and their guardians.

PatSeg

(46,759 posts)
12. Yeah
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:19 PM
Jun 2018

Sometimes the clownish incompetence appears to be a ruse to distract us from what is going on behind the scenes with this cruel administration. This did not happen overnight.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
13. Prisons. It drives me crazy when the media calls them camps or detention centers.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:19 PM
Jun 2018


If you can't leave, you're in a prison.

bdamomma

(63,647 posts)
38. follow the money
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:38 PM
Jun 2018

on this sick venture. Lawyers will be keeping busy on this. But in the meantime we have our names on this. Meaning we cannot stay silent on this, I hope the whistle-blowers come out in force.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
14. Plenty of ways... For example:
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:53 PM
Jun 2018

1. Move them around in the dead of night

2. Move them in commercial or non-ICE marked vehicles

3. Lie -- "No, those aren't detainees, these kids are going to the Junior Olympics" (A line similar to this was used to fool American Airlines)

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
17. bet they have private organizations
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jun 2018

making big bucks taking over the logistics. Would bet that dumf and kind are invested also.

Rebl2

(13,295 posts)
21. I was
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:09 PM
Jun 2018

surprised to hear the mayor of New York City and governor of New York say they had no idea these children were being held in their state until the last couple of days.

bdamomma

(63,647 posts)
39. this is illegal
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jun 2018

State governors are already pressing lawsuits on the government. Transporting kids at night there is more horrible stuff going on with this.

It will be a short matter of time before this gets out.

Leith

(7,802 posts)
22. Here's What I Don't Understand
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:10 PM
Jun 2018

I have seen videos and interviews on TV with people who speak Spanish natively (their accents when speaking Spanish and English). How in the world are they getting these people to drive the cars, load up the trucks, and keep the kids quiet while they are in their prisons? Do they not realize that they are tools for the oppression of those of their same ethnicity? What are they telling people like the man that talked to malignia chump at the Potemkin Prison, for example?

Luz

(769 posts)
47. I live in San Antonio. The amount of hatred is deep in some
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jun 2018

Mexicans towards these immigrants. They use the "we're got here legally" excuse.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,751 posts)
23. If not kidnapping, then they wouldn't have to use windowless trucks & at night.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:10 PM
Jun 2018

But yet they have no records or plans to re-unite.

Something does not add up. It could be incompetence or something more malevolent.

DeminPennswoods

(15,245 posts)
24. The kids are now in the custody of HHS/ORR
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:15 PM
Jun 2018

They do have experience handling unaccompanied minors and evidently have an available network of foster homes and shelters.

I don't think they need all the secrecy and moving the kids in the middle of the night, throwing blankets over their heads like they did with the girls NY1 filmed. As a retired fed, I wouldn't be surprised to find out the agencies are required to keep the names and identities of the kids out of the public record for reasons of safety and security. My point is, this might not be what it seems on the surface.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,482 posts)
32. What sort of evidence and records....
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:25 PM
Jun 2018

would they have collected and kept at the time of detention to insure consistent identification and to insure each child could be reunited with the adults (photos, DNA, fingerprints, interview records, etc.)?

TIA........ .......

DeminPennswoods

(15,245 posts)
35. It was reported at the time of separation, the kids
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:31 PM
Jun 2018

and parents are assigned a unique, but matching ID number. This works for DHS, but evidently the number doesn't necessarily follow the kids when they go to HHS custody.

In another thread a DU'er asked why the parents and kids didn't get a plastic wrist band like you get when to the ER or hospital.

I'm thinking the only sure way to reunite these kids is with DNA testing, but I would not trust the Trump gov't with that data. I'd have an immigrant rights group hold the data, then destroy it once all the kids and parents are reunited.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,482 posts)
45. Thanks for that info.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 05:23 PM
Jun 2018

I think most of us are still in shock that this could be happening at all. If these arrests had to be done, any responsible and moral government would have adequate facilities in place to house children and adults together.

DNA testing should work in most cases, although I heard a few of the kids were brought by friends or relatives that may not match. I totally agree with your proposition that DNA records should not be handled by a government agency.

bdamomma

(63,647 posts)
41. Thank you for your insight.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jun 2018

but Mr. Trump refers to people who are not his kind "animals" and other countries "shit holes" my opinion there is definitely a lot of illegal stuff going on. Why not have Senators or Representatives gain access to see inside of these shelters???

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
46. I agree the "secrecy" is almost certainly due to privacy regulations
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 05:30 PM
Jun 2018

When you are dealing with children in government custody in any form it’s a serious matter.

DeminPennswoods

(15,245 posts)
50. I know HIPPA, for medical records, is strictly
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:02 PM
Jun 2018

enforced. Even adult children aren't necessarily entitled to know what's happening if their parent is hospitalized.

I suspect there's a similar rule/regulation in place for children.

IronLionZion

(45,236 posts)
25. People are profiting from building the camps and transporting these kids
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:20 PM
Jun 2018

somebody planned this out and issued contracts to companies who specialize in such things

Tribalceltic

(1,000 posts)
27. Coordination
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:26 PM
Jun 2018

Is that a euphemism for Conspiracy?
Including Every Congress Critter and Voter with the republican disease.

debsy

(527 posts)
31. I saw that the dumpster accused the Dems of human trafficking.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jun 2018

This, IMO, is the absolute opposite of what is really happening. My bet is that the DUMPSTER'S ADMINISTRATION is working with RUSSIA to move these children into their human trafficking network. It is a perfect way for them to make huge amounts of money, after all, and we know that is the only thing that is important to any of them.

bdamomma

(63,647 posts)
43. Money is being made I wouldn't doubt it
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:48 PM
Jun 2018

they are drugging up these kids and making them like zombies. Then they are depositing in States where officials have no idea where they came from.

FSogol

(45,349 posts)
49. It's being outsourced to some govt contractors that have to shut up about it
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 06:53 PM
Jun 2018

or risk losing future contracts. It is a shame that so many are ready to do evil deeds to keep the govt money flowing to their pockets. These companies that are going along with this need to be exposed and punished. We need to draw the line somewhere.

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