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Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:36 PM

I'm Blown Away By Their Coordination Of Moving These...

children around the country and keeping the press and people from visiting these detention centers. Also the coordination of building these tent camps and getting the military involved.

Who is doing this coordinating? How are they able to pull this off?

They screw up everything. They say they can't keep track of these kids and getting them back to their parents. Yet somehow the coordination of locking these kids in detention centers and moving them around the country and preventing Congressmen, Senators, Mayors, Governors and the MSM from visiting and inspecting these centers seems to be working perfectly for them. Who is doing this coordinating? Why? How are they able to pull this off? What is going on that we're not seeing and not getting?

I posted this within another thread - but thought that it should probably stand alone as an OP.

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Reply I'm Blown Away By Their Coordination Of Moving These... (Original post)
global1 Jun 2018 OP
C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #1
madaboutharry Jun 2018 #2
Girard442 Jun 2018 #3
KPN Jun 2018 #4
mopinko Jun 2018 #8
bdamomma Jun 2018 #36
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2018 #10
volstork Jun 2018 #20
Whatthe_Firetruck Jun 2018 #30
MuseRider Jun 2018 #51
exboyfil Jun 2018 #5
NCTraveler Jun 2018 #15
OnDoutside Jun 2018 #48
thbobby Jun 2018 #6
uponit7771 Jun 2018 #7
BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #29
bdamomma Jun 2018 #37
BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #42
procon Jun 2018 #9
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2018 #11
PatSeg Jun 2018 #12
sarcasmo Jun 2018 #13
bdamomma Jun 2018 #38
Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #14
dalton99a Jun 2018 #16
elmac Jun 2018 #17
malaise Jun 2018 #18
Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2018 #19
StTimofEdenRoc Jun 2018 #26
Rebl2 Jun 2018 #21
bdamomma Jun 2018 #39
Leith Jun 2018 #22
Luz Jun 2018 #47
Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #23
DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #24
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #32
DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #35
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #45
bdamomma Jun 2018 #41
Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #46
DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #50
IronLionZion Jun 2018 #25
Tribalceltic Jun 2018 #27
Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #28
debsy Jun 2018 #31
bdamomma Jun 2018 #43
Scurrilous Jun 2018 #33
Rustynaerduwell Jun 2018 #34
Achilleaze Jun 2018 #40
bdamomma Jun 2018 #44
FSogol Jun 2018 #49

Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:39 PM

1. Yes - there have to be communications that can be subpoena'd

And it all goes back to Trumps desk.

Yet another reason why this upcoming election is so important.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:40 PM

2. The whistleblowers will tell us.

They aren't going to be able to hide this forever. It is only a matter of time, most likely days, before a whistleblower or even multiple whistleblowers, come forward and tell the American people exactly what is happening.

Also, so many lawyers are now involved. There will be documents that will be made public.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:40 PM

3. There have been stories around for a long time that ICE was shaping up to be an American Gestapo.

They've had a long time to weed out the people who would have thrown sand in the gears of an operation like this.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:40 PM

4. Easy -- just give a few hundred million $ to a DeVos family member and several other crooks to

"pull a fast one".

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Response to KPN (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:08 PM

8. we have a winner. where is eric prince?

this would be right in his sweet spot.

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Response to KPN (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:15 PM

10. That was my first guess - Eric Prince: assignment kidnap, move, hide, keep silent the babies. nt

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:08 PM

20. Don't forget the final step:

Sell them to the highest bidder who will then raise them to be christofascist nut jobs

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Response to volstork (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:58 PM

30. Or worse...

...And it could be much worse for these vanished kids. sans advocates. I've said when this started that trafficking is highly likely and it will be uncommon but ugly.

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:16 PM

51. My first guess as well.

They have been preparing for something like this forever. I doubt they knew what it was going to be or look like but they have been ready for a long time. Lots of little practice here and there overseas and right here at home with Christian Adoptions.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:42 PM

5. The amazing thing is simple fingerprint

Cards when first seized could be used for tracking. Combine that with identity bracelets.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:55 PM

15. Fingerprinting was mandatory at one point.

 

It was put on hold along with a number of other regulations a couple of years ago. It is a part of the process that should have never stopped. It makes no sense in the big picture.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 06:48 PM

48. Even take a DNA swab ? Unless it cuts across civil liberties of course.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 12:59 PM

6. John Kelly?

He is a racist asshole, but I am sure he has the skill to organize this atrocity.

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Response to thbobby (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:06 PM

7. +1

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Response to thbobby (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:47 PM

29. Miller is the master mind behind this one I bet.

He is normally a rat, but now he has outdone himself. His folks must be so proud.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:35 PM

37. Bigman

you hit the nail on the head, Is anyone asking for his dismissal. He is the orchestrater in all of this him and Bannon perhaps.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:45 PM

42. Bannon...definitely!

Remember the audio tape of the kids crying and the ICE/Border Patrol dude JOKED, "They sound like an orchestra. They need a conductor"? Miller is that conductor and Bannon is whispering in his ear. The thing is he won't get fired since he is as hateful, cruel and racist as the moron. They love him in the Oval Office. That is why Pruitt still has a job despite the corruption.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:10 PM

9. Its probably a lot easier to shuffle people around like cattle because Trump

and his administration don't even see them as human beings. Since they have shown themselves to be above the law, Trump isn't restricted by the civil or human rights of these immigrants, he doesn't have to conform to health and safety regulations, or maintaining scrupulous records for identifying and tracking documentation on every child, siblings and their guardians.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:17 PM

11. I'm sure drugging the babies/kids help keep them quiet - that along with threats. nt

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:19 PM

12. Yeah

Sometimes the clownish incompetence appears to be a ruse to distract us from what is going on behind the scenes with this cruel administration. This did not happen overnight.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:19 PM

13. Prisons. It drives me crazy when the media calls them camps or detention centers.



If you can't leave, you're in a prison.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:38 PM

38. follow the money

on this sick venture. Lawyers will be keeping busy on this. But in the meantime we have our names on this. Meaning we cannot stay silent on this, I hope the whistle-blowers come out in force.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:53 PM

14. Plenty of ways... For example:

1. Move them around in the dead of night

2. Move them in commercial or non-ICE marked vehicles

3. Lie -- "No, those aren't detainees, these kids are going to the Junior Olympics" (A line similar to this was used to fool American Airlines)

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:58 PM

16. "We're taking the underprivileged Hispanic children to church summer camp"

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:58 PM

17. bet they have private organizations

 

making big bucks taking over the logistics. Would bet that dumf and kind are invested also.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:59 PM

18. White supremacists

Who have infected every agency

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:03 PM

19. They learned from the very best.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:22 PM

26. The Nazis would have loved the right wing propaganda machine.

 

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:09 PM

21. I was

surprised to hear the mayor of New York City and governor of New York say they had no idea these children were being held in their state until the last couple of days.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:41 PM

39. this is illegal

State governors are already pressing lawsuits on the government. Transporting kids at night there is more horrible stuff going on with this.

It will be a short matter of time before this gets out.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:10 PM

22. Here's What I Don't Understand

I have seen videos and interviews on TV with people who speak Spanish natively (their accents when speaking Spanish and English). How in the world are they getting these people to drive the cars, load up the trucks, and keep the kids quiet while they are in their prisons? Do they not realize that they are tools for the oppression of those of their same ethnicity? What are they telling people like the man that talked to malignia chump at the Potemkin Prison, for example?

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Response to Leith (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 06:09 PM

47. I live in San Antonio. The amount of hatred is deep in some

Mexicans towards these immigrants. They use the "we're got here legally" excuse.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:10 PM

23. If not kidnapping, then they wouldn't have to use windowless trucks & at night.


But yet they have no records or plans to re-unite.

Something does not add up. It could be incompetence or something more malevolent.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:15 PM

24. The kids are now in the custody of HHS/ORR

They do have experience handling unaccompanied minors and evidently have an available network of foster homes and shelters.

I don't think they need all the secrecy and moving the kids in the middle of the night, throwing blankets over their heads like they did with the girls NY1 filmed. As a retired fed, I wouldn't be surprised to find out the agencies are required to keep the names and identities of the kids out of the public record for reasons of safety and security. My point is, this might not be what it seems on the surface.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:25 PM

32. What sort of evidence and records....

would they have collected and kept at the time of detention to insure consistent identification and to insure each child could be reunited with the adults (photos, DNA, fingerprints, interview records, etc.)?

TIA........ .......

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:31 PM

35. It was reported at the time of separation, the kids

and parents are assigned a unique, but matching ID number. This works for DHS, but evidently the number doesn't necessarily follow the kids when they go to HHS custody.

In another thread a DU'er asked why the parents and kids didn't get a plastic wrist band like you get when to the ER or hospital.

I'm thinking the only sure way to reunite these kids is with DNA testing, but I would not trust the Trump gov't with that data. I'd have an immigrant rights group hold the data, then destroy it once all the kids and parents are reunited.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 05:23 PM

45. Thanks for that info.

I think most of us are still in shock that this could be happening at all. If these arrests had to be done, any responsible and moral government would have adequate facilities in place to house children and adults together.

DNA testing should work in most cases, although I heard a few of the kids were brought by friends or relatives that may not match. I totally agree with your proposition that DNA records should not be handled by a government agency.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:45 PM

41. Thank you for your insight.

but Mr. Trump refers to people who are not his kind "animals" and other countries "shit holes" my opinion there is definitely a lot of illegal stuff going on. Why not have Senators or Representatives gain access to see inside of these shelters???

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 05:30 PM

46. I agree the "secrecy" is almost certainly due to privacy regulations

 

When you are dealing with children in government custody in any form itís a serious matter.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:02 PM

50. I know HIPPA, for medical records, is strictly

enforced. Even adult children aren't necessarily entitled to know what's happening if their parent is hospitalized.

I suspect there's a similar rule/regulation in place for children.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:20 PM

25. People are profiting from building the camps and transporting these kids

somebody planned this out and issued contracts to companies who specialize in such things

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:26 PM

27. Coordination

Is that a euphemism for Conspiracy?
Including Every Congress Critter and Voter with the republican disease.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 02:28 PM

28. BOOM! Fantastic observation. Rachael should do a segment on this very subject. nt

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:04 PM

31. I saw that the dumpster accused the Dems of human trafficking.

This, IMO, is the absolute opposite of what is really happening. My bet is that the DUMPSTER'S ADMINISTRATION is working with RUSSIA to move these children into their human trafficking network. It is a perfect way for them to make huge amounts of money, after all, and we know that is the only thing that is important to any of them.

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Response to debsy (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:48 PM

43. Money is being made I wouldn't doubt it

they are drugging up these kids and making them like zombies. Then they are depositing in States where officials have no idea where they came from.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:28 PM

33. K&R

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:30 PM

34. At least we know they're not tattooing their arms...

yet.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:42 PM

40. Sneaky republicans pissing all over families and children

and trying to hide their evil

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:48 PM

44. this is pure evil

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 06:53 PM

49. It's being outsourced to some govt contractors that have to shut up about it

or risk losing future contracts. It is a shame that so many are ready to do evil deeds to keep the govt money flowing to their pockets. These companies that are going along with this need to be exposed and punished. We need to draw the line somewhere.

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