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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo our intelligence services have a contingency plan for a treasonous president?
Haven't they spent the last 60 years developing contingency plans for every possible scenario they could imagine?
Certainly this one, where the elected president is an agent of a hostile foreign power, has to be in their files, right?
"We'd all love to see the plan"
Like soon. Like WTF?
mahatmakanejeeves
(56,897 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,287 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,615 posts)The Founders never imagined two of the three would be corrupt.
Luckily, our allies across the globe have been on this from day one. There are volumes upon volumes of evidence against the traitors. As that evidence is made public, the republicans who haven't committed treason will start to turn away from Trump.
Do not despair. We got this. It will be painful and ugly, but the Repulbic will stand.
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)the judicial branch is in the same boat. That leaves Mueller out there as the only executive branch functionary doing anything.
This is outside our constitutional parameters if congress and the courts refuse to act.
It isnt clear that the republic will stand. Thats the point.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Scope? Scale?
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)would be one option, but I can think of many possible scenarios. What if dont see is any evidence that anything is being done.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)One fellow was pretty explicit about his desire for a military coup, and his OP survived several alerts. He got a lot of replies -- many of us fought back, but there was a cozy cell of folks in agreement.
See you on the hustings.
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)has gained control of all three branches of our government and appears to be actively engaged in the destruction of the liberal democratic institutions that our constitution established, all as part of a plot to establish a fascist world order lead by this foreign government. In such a hypothetical situation it would be wrong for the military or the intelligence services to take extra constitutional actions to restore the republic?
Hekate
(90,202 posts)Do you?
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Also they overthrew a regime that was essentially a one-party state for 40 years.
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)There is also the now failed efforts of the Turkish military to protect their secular republic from various efforts to destroy it from 1922 until the collapse under erdogan
1990 Paraguay. The military overthrew the Stroessner dictatorship and restored the constitutional government.
Mali 1991.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Trump couldn't even get "Obamacare" repealed.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)work out?
If intelligence agencies have some bombshell info (recordings?) they could just release in to the Internet.
Also when in this hypothetical did a foreign government gain control over the Judicial branch (which keeps slapping
the Trump administration down)?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)As should everyone.
tinrobot
(10,848 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Thrill
(19,178 posts)With Russia on cyber security. No matter what this dumbass President says
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)The problem with the way our Democracy was set up...they didn't foresee a traitorous candidate in combination with tampering of the electoral system. The founders figured that the public would be smart enough not to elect a bad apple, but they didn't see that there could be factors beyond the control of Democracy.
marybourg
(12,540 posts)of a treasonous candidate. It was an era where treason was front and center. And they certainly didnt trust the public to sniff one out. What they did was to set up the Electoral College, consisting of the educated, politically-involved elite, to whom they entrusted the job of rejecting an unfit candidate. We all know how that worked out.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Everyone knows Hillary would have won if the election was decided by popular vote. Instead, the electors in the electoral college put Trump in power. Those electors were corrupt. The problem is the founders figured the public would NOT be smart enough to avoid electing a bad apple, but we are at a point now where the majority is educated and they can make decent decisions. The power to directly elect the president should be given to the people.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)Military sent navy warplanes out to sea, to frustrate draft dodger Cheney's rabid, crazed orders.
0rganism
(23,856 posts)the alternative is just pathetic.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)ecstatic
(32,567 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)So that's the contingency plan. Now, if one branch has been subject to a decades-long plan to be overtaken by Tea Partiers who have absolutely no clue about how government actually works (sorry: citizen politicians who have no clue) ... That is a problem, when what you desperately need is to have the House and Senate do their jobs.
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)The House and Senate are the Legislative Branch. They are in constitutionally equal to the Executive, not his errand boys and lapdogs. They are in charge of impeachment, should they choose. There is currently a corrupt GOP majority in both Houses, hence my comment about them.
And so it goes. Unless at least a few Republicans wake up very soon, we are left with hoping for that Blue Wave in November. But even there, right now Stalin's ghost is counting our votes.
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)They arent going to wake up. They are on board with the fascist new world order. The legislature and the courts are not going to do anything.
Zoonart
(11,750 posts)TREASON,
haele
(12,581 posts)Way back in the Cold War when there was a Commie under every bed, and the radical left was being demonized regularly among the intelligence community.
Who knows if it was any sort to effective plan - and if there are enough high level IC people that are willing to risk their post government careers to save the Country for not only "normal citizens", but the deplorables, single issue radicals, and the generally apathetic majority who don't care to understand what's going on.
Haele