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Thu Nov 15, 2018, 06:54 AM

 

Judge: Florida election workers are "untrained" in signature matching

He gave voters until Saturday to correct discrepancies.

“Here, potentially thousands of voters have been deprived of the right to cast a legal vote — and have that vote counted — by an untrained canvassing board member based on an arbitrary determination that their respective signatures did not match,” wrote the judge, appointed to the federal bench in 2012 by then-President Barack Obama. "Such a violation of the right to vote cannot be undone. "


My concern is that not all of those disenfranchised will have time to correct their votes in two days.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/15/federal-judge-gives-florida-voters-until-saturday-correct-signature-problems-roiling-close-races/

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Reply Judge: Florida election workers are "untrained" in signature matching (Original post)
Yosemito Nov 2018 OP
LisaL Nov 2018 #1
PatSeg Nov 2018 #7
ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #16
Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #2
tymorial Nov 2018 #6
dubyadiprecession Nov 2018 #3
Vinca Nov 2018 #4
LiberalBrooke Nov 2018 #5
babylonsister Nov 2018 #8
DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #15
dembotoz Nov 2018 #9
LakeSuperiorView Nov 2018 #12
dembotoz Nov 2018 #13
3Hotdogs Nov 2018 #10
Botany Nov 2018 #11
LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #14
Yosemito Nov 2018 #17
harumph Nov 2018 #18

Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:00 AM

1. Of course they are untrained.

The whole idea of signature matching is absurd. Anybody believes that people whose signatures supposedly don't match are actually voting for somebody else?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:00 AM

7. Exactly

What would be the motivation for someone to cast a vote in someone else's name? The risks surely outweigh any benefit.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:57 AM

16. Another Problem

Legally, if i show an ID to prove i'm me, and have someone with me to say i'm telling the truth, i could put an X on that line.

Now my voter card and my poll signature wouldn't even be close to the same, but it's legal.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:14 AM

2. Hanging chads and magnifying glasses come to mind.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:46 AM

6. Determining the "intent" of the voter.

Fucking florida.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:18 AM

3. Also, Florida's ballot scanners are designed to...

Blow up if you look at them twice!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:29 AM

4. I'm glad the judge recognized that people counting ballots are not handwriting experts.

This particular vote suppression scheme is especially noxious. Imagine a military guy comes back from a combat zone missing the hand he has always written with and is signing with the other hand. Grandma has a stroke and her signature changes. There are all kinds of reasons signatures don't match.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:42 AM

5. Signatures are different every time.

A bank teller one said my signature did not match. At the time I was holding a squirming toddler who was trying to escape. I just stood there and said “really” until she finally handed over my money.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:01 AM

8. I signed my dad's ballot in FL.

He has macular degeneration and cannot see. I so wonder if his was counted. He would be pissed if it wasn't.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:56 AM

15. In PA, the absentee ballot signature line allows for

the voter to make a mark and for a witness to sign verifying that it is the voter who signed. My parent has the same issue as your dad. When I apply for the absentee ballot, there's a section for the reason and I always put macular degeneration and loss of central vision.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:01 AM

9. Ya think? Not even Amy scuito on ncis could do that

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:35 AM

12. Uh, Abby.

 

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:52 AM

13. It's early

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:08 AM

10. Didn't Ann Coulter cast an illegal vote a coupl'a elections ago?

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:11 AM

11. This is not a mistake or an oversight this is one more way to suppress the vote.

And as noted up thread nobody is voting twice that shit doesn't happen.

I know I have done election work for years.

It takes a lot of work to have so many random errors.

Vote counting machines are over heating.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211427825


Absentee ballots that were sent out too late so that people could vote and
then mail them back in and have that ballot counted.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211416264

NY Times:
People voted for Governor but skipped voting for senator.
Ballot design in Broward County is one possible cause of votes cast for one contest but apparently not another.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/upshot/florida-senate-race-broward-undercount.html


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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:55 AM

14. My signature is never the same when I sign on a tablet.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:58 AM

17. Same here

 

I'm often paranoid that banks, etc will doubt my signature is mine.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 09:06 AM

18. signature matching is absurd on its face

signatures change - a elderly person whose hand shakes
will not have a consistent signature. My signature is
different if my hand is cold or warm. The whole idea of using
a scrawl to identify a person with so many other more
dependable methods available is stupid.

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