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Fri Nov 23, 2018, 03:01 PM

HELP! Need ammo for a trump-supporting sibling

Does anyone have a link to a site where a watchdog group is keeping track of all of trump's offenses/violations against the Constitution, ways he's devastating the government, the environment, our democracy, etc.? I need ammo to argue with my Fox-watching, trump-supporting sibling. She thinks trump is doing a damn good job with the economy and helping small business owners. She uses that to excuse his misogyny, his racism, and his ineptitude elsewhere.
My older sister (only by a couple of years) is a kindhearted and loving person, and a successful small business owner whose just a bit shallow in her thinking and have watched a bit too much of Fox news. I believe she is salvageable and can be led to "see the light" if i have enough ammo to make a reasoned argument with her.

Thanks, and happy Thanksgiving everyone!

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:11 PM

12. thanks, excellent links

this should be plenty of ammo.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 03:21 PM

2. Sure: Shoot tranquilizer darts. Find something in her viewpoint

to agree with, even if it's very limited, discuss that, and finish with a smile and suggestion you both go get more pie.

If she's still defending Trump, I can practically guarantee she's not half so reachable as you imagine, maybe just trying to keep things amicable. The time will eventually come when she won't be bringing the subject up.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 03:25 PM

3. My long time auto mechanic

whom I like and trust very much is a strong Trump supporter, has a TV in his waiting room airing Fox news and has a "DEPLORABLES" sign hanging proudly. He has always treated me fairly and given me exceptional service so while I wait for my car we chat about anything but Trump.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 03:35 PM

4. If they listened to reason they wouldn't support him

Save your breath until he's gone, then be obnoxious as you chant "told ya so" as he's removed from office like the rest of us will.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:14 PM

14. that day cant come fast enough

given she's older i won't do the 'told ya so'. The events will speak for themselves and hopefully she'll see it.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 03:36 PM

5. If someone wanted to convert me from being a liberal Democrat,

First it wouldn't work.

Second, a litany of "facts" would not sway me.

What would?

Lots and lots of diagnostic questions. Not answers.

"What is most important to you?"

"What are you willing to give up to get it?"

"What will you never compromise on?"

I think there is something scared and hateful about Trump supporters, and if there is anything that is "salvagable" it is not going to be reached by logic.

It's pure emotion. Find the scared part and talk it out of the cave.



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Response to violetpastille (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:16 PM

16. great points, i did not think of phrasing it in the form of questions

will keep that in mind

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 03:47 PM

6. My brother is a trumper

I just keep asking him if he's learned to speak Russian yet.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:13 PM

7. What kind of firearm do you have?

If we know that, we can suggest ammo for it.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:08 PM

9. LOL i'm not a gun enthusiast, and neither is she

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Response to onetexan (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 08:53 PM

20. I figured as much.

Just running you...

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:28 PM

8. I have a time issue today

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I wanted to login and respond to this quickly. This is a motto that I've lived by for awhile now.

If they had ANY reason and logic, they wouldn't be a trump supporter/republican to begin with.


Happy Thanksgiving to you!

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Response to Niagara (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:10 PM

10. i don't think my sis is a die hard trump fan

she just doesn't see things objectively. I think she can come around in due time.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 09:30 PM

21. You know your sister better then any of us do

Some people can be reached and some not so much.

Wishing you the best in that department.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:11 PM

11. Can't you just not discuss politics?

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:12 PM

13. not when she and my brother in law bring it up

he's a lost cause but i don't think she is.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:15 PM

15. OK - well maybe encourage her to watch Rachel Maddow on MSNBC

 

Or another similar program.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:19 PM

17. here's a list (somewhat dated at this pt) of his impeachable offenses

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Response to diva77 (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:19 PM

18. Excellent! Thanks so much

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Response to onetexan (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:21 PM

19. you're welcome - there's probably a more up to date list online somewhere



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