I firmly believe that MSNBC,

[PCIntern]

While having some great folk like Rachel and Lawrence, and Ali, and some others, has some sleeper agents like Pete Williams, Andrea Mitchell, Tweety (to an extent), and some others as well.

Williams’ feigned shock at the outrage of the judge today is indicative of the Jack Welch Superego which still pervades the network. The normalization of the Joe and Mika clown car show wherein they portray the Trumpan Show as utterly ridiculous, this again, normalizing guys like Jeb, Marco, and the like as “more than acceptable” is not the hallmark of a supposedly tolerably center-left network.

Just saying...

[Snotcicles]

1. They still get 3 hours out of me, 8-11 most weeknights. And I'll bet those are the most viewed. nt

[bigbrother05]

5. Like Ali & Ari, skip Tweety most nights

[lapfog_1]

2. The "outrage" of Joe especially is soooo fake

he complains about the election shenanigans of Trump and the complacence of the Republicans...

But forgets that this is the party of Karl Rove, Lee Atwater, Donald Segretti and all of the "dirty tricksters" of Nixon.

Of St Ronnie and the Treason of the Iran hostage trading (Iran Contra) orchestrated by the late and recently lamented GHW Bush, and Oliver North.

Trump and Flynn and Cohn and Manafort is simply this activity taken to an extreme

[pecosbob]

3. For every liberal viewpoint they express

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they regurgitate two Koch brothers disinformation pieces. They use just as much twisted, coded language BS as the rest.

*Late Edit...enjoy the kool-aid. Have fun watching Tweety and Joe and Andrea and Chuck to get your 'news'.

[greyl]

18. Baloney. nt

[Andy823]

32. I second that

With a "double" Baloney. Not sure where some of these posters get their "facts"!

[lillypaddle]

34. triple baloney from me nt

[moonscape]

50. I watch MSNBC a lot and don't see this ... at all. What

programs are you watching?

I watch Chris Hayes (my favorite), Rachel, some Lawrence, some Ali Velshi, some Ari, and Nicole Wallace. None of those programs at least do that ...

[elmac]

56. Of course

they are a corporation, owned by comcast, one of the most ripoff monopolies in the usa. They never, ever mention net neutrality. I don't trust MSNBC any more than I trust Fox but I do appreciate them throwing us a bone now and then in the form of excellent reporting by a very few, including Maddow.

[ZeroSomeBrains]

4. MSNBC sucks a lot of the day

I give them between one hour to three depending on how much energy I have to stay awake. Ari and Ali Velshi are good from what I see as well. Beyond that you're deluding yourself if you think they aren't shilling for right-wing BS.

[PCIntern]

6. Yes to all above.

[brush]

12. You're leaving out Rachel and Joy Reid, both progressives.

[ZeroSomeBrains]

14. Rachel is usually part of my daily block

I start with Hayes and at best go through O'Donnell. I go to bed super early because I try to start work at 7AM so that's mostly why. I like sleeping in on weekends so I catch Joy Reid occasionally.

[lillypaddle]

35. Disagree 100%

Stephanie & Ali, Ari, Nicolle Wallace, Katy Tur, and I actually like Andrea and Chris Matthews.

[manor321]

7. Pete Williams worked for Dick Cheney

That's all you need to know about him.

[PCIntern]

8. Yep. I remember well.

[cynatnite]

9. Sleeper agents? Like terrorists or something?

Geez, that sounds like RW bullshit. I think we're better than this.

And for the record, I like Pete Williams. He usually puts the truth out as it really is without any slant one way or the other.

Just sayin'.

[PCIntern]

10. I'm glad you like him

You see, Fox makes no bones about being RW shills. MSNBC advertises using Rachel and Kawrence, and then subverts the message with Joe and Pete and Andrea.

It’s so nice you like him. Opinions, however, do vary.

[cynatnite]

13. They're not sleeper agents...

I get the reasons why they might not be liked, but the rhetoric is just not called for.

I must be dumb, because I don't feel like they're subverting a message.

[PCIntern]

17. When is the last time Joe quoted or referred

To Rachel or Lawrence from the night before? Never or nearly never. He has his own agenda.

[cynatnite]

20. Not that I keep track...

But I've heard him refer to one of them more than once. So does Mika.

Not only that, Andrea guests on Rachel's show, too, from time to time. I think Rachel's been on Andrea Mitchell once or twice. They don't do it often because of obvious reasons. They each have their own shows.

They are not sleeper agents. You just don't like how they report the news or express their opinions.

[PCIntern]

22. My God...

I don’t know why people take offense at an allusion or metaphor. It’s supposed to be half-humorous. Do people really take themselves and this board that seriously?

[cynatnite]

23. That's a serious term and it shouldn't be thrown around like that...

I get the hate some have for them, but there's no reason whatsoever to call them basically terrorists. It's just plain wrong.

[PCIntern]

25. Sleeper agents are not necessarily terrorists

They could just be spies planted and possibly used for info later.

[cynatnite]

26. They are not that either...

Is it that hard for you to admit you made a mistake in calling them that?

Can anyone be so full of hate and mistrust that they will throw around terms like this and think it's deserved? Are we that far gone than we don't even have a sense of our own morals anymore? No wonder the divisions are so bad.

[PCIntern]

28. Ridiculous

Can you just stop righteously and sanctimoniously pontificating for a moment and concede that you are well-aware if EXACTLY what I meant.

[cynatnite]

31. Sleeper agents...um, no.

It didn't come across to me as a joke or an "expression".

I've always respected you, but maybe I've missed something somewhere. I've never known you to throw this kind of rhetoric around.

No matter how you meant it, it was wrong. If you'd aimed it Flynn or someone who was actually complicit in undermining this country, then I couldn't argue with it. But at news personalities...yeah, I'm bothered by it.

[PCIntern]

40. Ok

So i humbly apologize.

I guess I’m as sensitive to these issues as a toilet seat.

[Bradshaw3]

46. I took it as only semi-serious

Or semi-facetious. I never thought you meant they were agents, although some of them - Williams in particular - spout the establishment line.

[lillypaddle]

36. + 1000

Thank you

[brooklynite]

11. Trashing...

"Sleeper agents"?

[PCIntern]

16. It's an expression for crying out loud

Ok ok. I give up.

[cynatnite]

21. It's not an expression and you well know it...

It's a term that's applied towards terrorists. Be honest.

[PCIntern]

24. I know nothing of the sort

They are practicing opinion-making under the advertising and ostensible influence of liberals. The network attracts viewers by advertising their liberal personalities and then you get to watch Joe in the morning. That’s bait and switch.
And I was only pointing out the obvious.

[cynatnite]

30. It's not a bait and switch...

These are varying personalities with wide-ranging opinions. Joe's show is not and never has been advertised as anything but what it is. What I like is that their guests are more reasonable and logical people. What I also like is the fact that Joe and Mika's politics have changed enough that they refuse to identify themselves are repubs. What I also like is that they call tRump for what he is and they do it on a regular basis.

Yes, they get on Dems sometimes. Sometimes I agree and sometimes I don't.

Sometimes it seems like the animosity is so strong that it warps the ears and eyes.

[a kennedy]

15. I'm starting to really like Ms. Wallace......

[pwb]

19. 24 hours is mostly not news it is opinion even MSNBC.

Fox is real news when She Smith is on. The rest of it is opinion.
High paid talkers talking out of their asses.
Calling it news doesn't make it so.

[kairos12]

27. Tweety should have been fired after admiring Shrub's codpiece Mission Accomplished strut.

[PCIntern]

29. The tingle up his leg...nt

[lillypaddle]

37. What was that - 15 years ago?

FFS, give it a rest. Chris Matthews knows a lot of political history, granted he is old school. We are an unforgiving bunch. Have you ever said something you regret?

[Tavarious Jackson]

39. I like tweety.

He gets on my nerves now and again but overall.. I like him. He's better than Chris Hayes.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

52. +1. Tweety is not

perfect like us DU'ers. I guess ...

[colsohlibgal]

41. I Couldn't Believe Matthews Slurped Him No End

Remember thinking good grief Chris, get a room already with him. It was ridiculous.

[milestogo]

33. Ari Melber, Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, Laurence O'Donnell are all good.

Watch the shows run late in the day, and eat dinner during Matthew's show.

[dem in texas]

47. I like nicole wallace

I like the evening line-up and for day,I like Nicole and also Ali Belchi. I usually keep MSNBC on in my computer room. Sometimes, I visit Fox just to see how they are reporting thing. It is an eye opener, they are in a different universe from the MSNBC viewer.

[milestogo]

55. Agreed, Nicole and Ali are good.

[Tavarious Jackson]

38. Kasie Hunt is a RW'er... nt

[Blaukraut]

42. They're in plain sight. Count all the Never Trumper Repubs

That get airtime and even, in the case of Wallace, their own show. These people are not our friends.

[PCIntern]

43. I know

I retracted the sleeper agent remark by apologizing for it above.

They are there en masse.

[mulsh]

44. Pete Willliams, Stanford '74, Dick Cheney's press secretary 86-89 the a Pentagon

spokesperson. Not exactly shining progressive aspects. He's gotten marginally better over the years. the conservatives I've known who went to Stanford hang onto their core believes tenaciously.

[ffr]

45. All the more reason to keep your skeptical antennae up.

When the evidence doesn't support the conclusion, it's time to draw that behavior into question.

[busterbrown]

48. Andrea and Chuck should procreate

and deliver the most boring unstimulating news show ever!

[Hekate]

49. Oddly (or not) my 3 favorites are all women: Katy Tur, Nicolle Wallace, Rachel Maddow...

I like each of them for somewhat different reasons, and they come on here at 11 am, 1 pm, and 6 pm, and I try to make time in my schedule for them. Viewing anyone else is really hit or miss, usually a product of briefly checking to see if Red Don has finally been tarred and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail.

[H2O Man]

51. Each of the three

are outstanding. I try to watch each of them daily.

[H2O Man]

53. Recommended.

I like Ari and think his show ranks high. He usually has the best guest panels.

Mr. Matthews is an odd bird -- though I don't use his DU nickname. He tends to be good or bad, with little in between.

[Mike Nelson]

54. I think they...

… have the best team. FOX is mostly propaganda. CNN is a bad mix of various types. At least, the Joe & Mika clown show is sometimes on the right track and we don't have those weekly 20-minute Mika rants about Hillary's emails, anymore, and Andrea Mitchell panting while revealing more sordid emails were falling into her greedy hands...