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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's face it. We got punked.
From the moment that Trump selected Barr, the fix was in. Actually, the fix was in way back when Trump selected Manafort and Flynn. Even before that, when Republicans refused to meet Gorsuch. We got punked when Mueller omitted interviewing Don Jr. and Kushner and Princess Ivanka.
Even if Mueller had done the honorable thing and listed Trump as a co-conspirator and laid out the case for his obstruction, Republicans would have lied and claimed the report was all lies. There is only one way to divest ourselves of this Trump-Republican criminal conspiracy, and that is to win back the WH and the Senate in 2020.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Perhaps you feel as if you did but I really have a completely different take on the whole thing.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)No, it was clear what barr is.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)I didn't get my pony, but at least I got satisfaction knowing that he wasn't let off Scott free about obstruction of Justice, except by his hand picked toadie.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)We were supposed to get a pony? Now I am upset.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)The posters who were sure this would be the end of rump are the ones who feel punked.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)My take is, and I repeat myself because I have written the same thing in other blogs.
Barr cut the investigation short, lets not forget that both Flynn and Gates sentencing had been postponed because Muller was getting more information from them. They did not fire Muller publicly, that would have prompted a lot of talk and news, so they did it surgically, from within. Barr's line in his letter about not refusing anything the special council asked to investigate was just a CYA, it is a lie. Ari Melber had a guest the other day, a lawyer who always wears a bow tie, and he was trying to get his message across, which is the same as I am writing here, and for some reason Ari did not want to hear it, he cut him short and never called him back after that. Are we in denial?
You have to think that if Gates' sentencing had been delayed for six months, and Barr comes in and suddenly Gates' six months is too much? The report is out, Barr will do, and has done whatever he pleases with it, and of course the first thing he does is exonerate his master, an orange buffoon...What does the orange buffoon have on these people that they are so willing to pull down their pants when the buffoon tells them to do? His ass-leaking performance last week told us everything we needed to know. No man with integrity and dignity will stoop so low as he did in the ass-leaking exercise which the orange buffoon enjoys so much. Don't they know the orange buffoon is laughing at them? To see Pence do it has become a normal, his tongue must be like sandpaper by now from leaking the orange buffoon's behind so much, but Barr??? A life protecting the law now being reduced to becoming a puppet to a vile human being that is the orange buffoon? How sad, how can these people go home and feel good about it, how can their family be proud of that?
Anyway, I hope the democrats can pull some good trick out of their hats because what is coming is not good. I cannot understand what compels republicans to support someone like the orange buffoon, they have to know he is damaging the country, that he is slowly but surely destroying our democracy, he is destroying their party, that he has no loyalty to anyone but himself...people always say "and his family", but I don't think he has any loyalty to even his family, maybe except for Ivanka, but they have to know that he will bury them alive if he needs to, so what brings so much loyalty? Has he been able to compromise so many people?
Things better start moving fast to dethrone these crooks, the longer it takes the more difficult it gets.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)the Cable Noise Infotainment tends to hyperventilate far more often than necessary.
All that has been released is a very short summary and nothing more as more is released either by the DOJ or The House we will learn more details. The investigation by the State of NY will also likely lead to some interesting finds, but time will tell and these things take considerable time to unravel and to prosecute.
ck4829
(34,977 posts)JI7
(89,182 posts)whathehell
(28,969 posts)and, btw, it was Garland with whom Republicans refused to meet, not Gorsuch, who now sits on the Supreme Court
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)being in total ruins. Subpoenas should be flying for hearings on the Mueller report damn soon. Rethugs can't drag this on through 2020 allowing drumpf to run again and win by our rigged electoral college system of voting.
watoos
(7,142 posts)when only White House lawyers and Barr have seen the actual Mueller report. What the public is seeing is the Barr report that the M$M is calling the Mueller report.
I will say that Barr did say in his confirmation hearings that he felt a sitting president cannot be indicted for obstruction of justice, so that should be no surprise.
GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)Speak for yourself. I see what's going on, and it's not as you describe.
ForgedCrank
(1,723 posts)It's important to note that anything Bob Mueller came up with was and is going to be very heavily scrutinized. Everything within has to be by the book, letter of the law. Exercising caution is a key element in this process.
For us, we are forced to wait and see.
Bob Mueller just spent 2 years gathering information on Trump and his lying machine. Everyone from his support staff and financials to Donald Trump himself.
I believe the information contained within that investigation, not the report, will ultimately be key in taking this loudmouth offline for good. I'm more concerned with criminal charges because once convicted, the rest comes naturally.
We do have elected officials still willing to do the work, and they are already stating their position of demanding a further look into these findings.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)to keep investigations going forward. Where there can be NO PARDON
melm00se
(4,974 posts)lawyer and was a prosecutor and she will always remind people:
"There are things that you "know" and there are things you can "prove". The two don't always overlap".