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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:57 AM Apr 2019

Deripaska's company to build aluminum plant in Kentucky, home of McConnell & Rand Paul

Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:33 AM - Edit history (1)

You can't make this up, tweeps:

Company of sanctioned Russian oligarch & election interferer DERIPASKA -- granted unexplained sanctions relief by Treasury --announces it will build totally pointless aluminum plant in Kentucky, home of McConnell+Rand Paul





Months after sanctions were lifted, Russian aluminum maker Rusal is investing in new aluminum mill in Kentucky

So the home state of the most powerful man in the Senate (McConnell) is benefiting from lifting sanctions on (giving money to) Oleg Deripaska





I will post the press release in the next post.
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Deripaska's company to build aluminum plant in Kentucky, home of McConnell & Rand Paul (Original Post) MelissaB Apr 2019 OP
Press Release MelissaB Apr 2019 #1
It's to supply the metal to build THE WALL. defacto7 Apr 2019 #60
Nothing in the press release supports your empty contention. Plus Vanity Wall is steel, not aluminum Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #80
Nope not a thing. You're right. defacto7 Apr 2019 #82
The Fix was in.... mitch96 Apr 2019 #75
Of course. dewsgirl Apr 2019 #2
+1 Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #47
Deripaska moves his business into Kentucky. democratisphere Apr 2019 #3
Putin has already assumed his place in the oval office, proxy-like. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #5
True. Putin's fool is at the helm. democratisphere Apr 2019 #8
+1111 KPN Apr 2019 #50
Just like Ukraine. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #51
The russian mob cancer that owns our government is metastasizing ... as we sit by and watch. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #4
Speak for yourself. Pelosi and Schumer are on it. ehrnst Apr 2019 #7
Please explain how she is "on it". And when a sanctioned oligarch is allowed to set up DontBooVote Apr 2019 #9
Speak for yourself when you say "we sit by and watch" ehrnst Apr 2019 #11
So, they're talking? What have they DONE to remove this cancer? DontBooVote Apr 2019 #14
As I said, they are doing their job. ehrnst Apr 2019 #15
Right now I'm remembering how Democrats, including myself, worked out asses off to DontBooVote Apr 2019 #17
You avoid the question... ehrnst Apr 2019 #20
Well, impeachment, for one. And what are you even talking about "whataboutism"? The simple DontBooVote Apr 2019 #23
How exactly will impeachment keep Deripaska from building a plant in KY? ehrnst Apr 2019 #25
Who are you? Stinky The Clown Apr 2019 #65
You go first... DontBooVote Apr 2019 #68
Will you please stop editing your posts while I am responding? Thank you. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #18
Like you do? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #21
Whataboutism. It's clear you have a personal problem with me. It's very simple for you... DontBooVote Apr 2019 #26
But you did edit your post while I was answering you. ehrnst Apr 2019 #29
No, but you did engage in whataboutism just as you were accusing me of it. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #30
"Disscussion complete?" ehrnst Apr 2019 #34
Your motives here are personal in nature, and quite insulting in tone. Have a nice day. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #36
Says you, who complains about "inaction" but can't even name what "action" there is... ehrnst Apr 2019 #42
For the whatever'th time: IMPEACHMENT. Now, get your last word. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #44
You haven't anwered how a futile impeachment would solve this factory in KY. ehrnst Apr 2019 #46
What, exactly, are you implying about me? DontBooVote Apr 2019 #19
You were stumped for an answer, and so you used ehrnst Apr 2019 #22
I was not "stumped for an answer" and I'm beginning to think your participation in this discussion DontBooVote Apr 2019 #24
That's another way to avoid answering a question. ehrnst Apr 2019 #27
I said impeachment, that was my answer. I believe that it is a historic imperative. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #28
"Discussion complete?" Again - how will impeachment get rid of Deripaska's plant in Kentucky? ehrnst Apr 2019 #32
We must start somewhere in order to set things right, which will (hopefully) restore the sanctions. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #33
So you have no idea what other options Dems actually have, but you are sure that they are not ehrnst Apr 2019 #38
Says you. Good day. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #40
"Discussion complete" when you have been called out. ehrnst Apr 2019 #41
I'm glad you're so pleased with yourself. I hope it helps you to have wonderful day, knowing DontBooVote Apr 2019 #43
"Discussion complete" yet again? ehrnst Apr 2019 #45
"What do we want?" mac56 Apr 2019 #53
.... ehrnst Apr 2019 #55
Since I'm in pretty thick with Democrats around here, I can say with authority that we want DontBooVote Apr 2019 #59
It's great to know what you want. mac56 Apr 2019 #63
No, it isn't. Which is why I'm so passionate about making it happen. And so are all my fellow DontBooVote Apr 2019 #64
Get right on it then. mac56 Apr 2019 #66
Wow, the personal animosity here is outrageous. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #67
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #71
The best government money can buy. oasis Apr 2019 #6
In terms of the GOP, yes. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #13
So "America First" means a Russian company builds an aluminum factory in Kentucky... CaptainTruth Apr 2019 #10
I wonder how much in subsidies the state and our government will hand over? Hotler Apr 2019 #12
Well, with the Russian Scarsdale Apr 2019 #16
Follow the kickbacks. Cracklin Charlie Apr 2019 #31
Here's the Quid for that Quo you got earlier NightWatcher Apr 2019 #35
The Dem controlled house should open an investigation into McConnell cbdo2007 Apr 2019 #37
I'm sure mitch will divert Kentuckians hard earned money into russian banks... spanone Apr 2019 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Botany Apr 2019 #48
McConnell and Trump will portray this as bringing jobs to the US. Lonestarblue Apr 2019 #49
Impeachment hearings would portray tRump and mcconnell as the beneficiaries of foreign DontBooVote Apr 2019 #52
Some do not possess the understanding of Trump supporters ehrnst Apr 2019 #56
BUT WHATABOUT HIS SUPPORTERS?/??/?!11!! DontBooVote Apr 2019 #57
Well.. let's go through this: ehrnst Apr 2019 #58
Not sure why would anyone feel like stopping the plant from being built is an important goal? mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #73
Well... ehrnst Apr 2019 #74
I suppose it could be read that way but I think the main thrust is not 'making sure the plant isn't mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #77
And that doesn't require impeachment, ehrnst Apr 2019 #78
Whoa, you beat me to this. triron Apr 2019 #54
But what about his supporters? How would impeachment proceedings possibly DontBooVote Apr 2019 #61
Who knew?? smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #62
OK, peasants not fooled Apr 2019 #69
Ikr DontBooVote Apr 2019 #70
+1 mitch96 Apr 2019 #76
Quid Pro Quo - PAID!!! Dustlawyer Apr 2019 #72
LOL - maybe we can talk mueller into investigating mitch mcconnell too. DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #79
I'm thinking some people come on threads with important news with the goal of making them unreadable Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #81
kick for visibility triron Apr 2019 #83

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
1. Press Release
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:57 AM
Apr 2019

RUSAL and Braidy Industries will construct a green field aluminium rolling mill in Ashland, Kentucky
15.04.2019

Moscow, 15 April 2019 – RUSAL (SEHK: 486, Moscow Exchange: RUAL), one of the leading global aluminium producers, and Braidy Industries Inc., a US base holding company which owns both Veloxint, an MIT-incubated lightweighting solutions company, and NanoAl, a Northwestern University incubated materials research and technology company, announce an intent to establish a joint project in Ashland, Kentucky, USA to produce flat rolled aluminium products for the US automotive industry.

The design capacity of the rolling mill will amount to 500 thousand tons of hot rolled band and 300 thousand tons of fully finished cold rolled products on an annual basis. It will be the widest US-based cold rolling mill with a width of 104 inches. The output from the mill will aid towards rebalancing the anticipated deficit of the auto body sheet in the US market.

The mill will operate with state-of-the art equipment provided by industry leaders. This will ensure market leadership whilst providing a sustainable competitive advantage in the long term.

RUSAL will supply aluminium (both in slab alloys and as a primary metal) for the new rolling mill from its new Taishet aluminium smelter that is currently under construction in Siberia. Delivering value added products (“VAP”) to the new Kentucky mill is consistent with RUSAL’s commitment to increase the share of its VAP offerings as part of the Company’s total production and sales.

In exchange for its investment RUSAL will earn a 40% share. Braidy Industries will keep the balance 60%. The project debt will be raised from several financial institutions.

RUSAL and Braidy Industries have entered into an exclusive Letter of Intent which details the commercial conditions for the joint venture alongside providing details for any future negotiations going forward. The binding documentation for the Project is expected to be signed during the second quarter of 2019 after the final decision about the implementation of the Project is made.

The demand for flat rolled products in North America has demonstrated the robust growth over the past 5 years and this will continue above average rates all over the world, especially in the automotive sector. The key driver of this demand growth is the Corporate Average Fuel Economy regulations (CAFE) that cause an increase and immediate switch from the original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) to aluminium-based components. The chosen location of the mill that will be in close proximity to a large number of automotive supply manufacturers will ensure efficient transportation of the finished products.

The joint project with Braidy Industries is an excellent opportunity for RUSAL to expand the Company’s diverse expertise in one of the key areas of aluminium downstream products. It will also reinforce the Company’s presence on the strategic market.

https://rusal.ru/en/press-center/press-releases/26167/

mitch96

(13,821 posts)
75. The Fix was in....
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:28 PM
Apr 2019

Drop sanctions and I'll build you a big beautiful aluminum plant that will make your constituents love you and re elect you...
m

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
3. Deripaska moves his business into Kentucky.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:20 AM
Apr 2019

Won't be long until Putin assumes his place in the oval office. Mission accomplished.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
7. Speak for yourself. Pelosi and Schumer are on it.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:29 AM
Apr 2019

As is every single Democrat in the Senate who voted for sanctions on him.

Those who were absent are a different story.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
9. Please explain how she is "on it". And when a sanctioned oligarch is allowed to set up
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:33 AM
Apr 2019

shop here in the U.S. as we sit and watch, how is that "speaking for myself"?

Edit: You edited your post while I was responding. So, I ask, how are Pelosi and Schumer "on it"? What, exactly, are they accomplishing with regard to stopping the russian mob taking over our country?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
11. Speak for yourself when you say "we sit by and watch"
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:38 AM
Apr 2019

Perhaps reading the news will help you understand what I was referring to when I said Nancy and Chuck are on it.:

House Democrats excoriated Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Thursday following a classified briefing about the Trump administration's decision to ease economic sanctions on three companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska.

"One of the worst classified briefings we've received from the Trump administration," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters. "The secretary barely testified."


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/steven-mnuchin-congress-testimony-1096537

Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader, said on Saturday that the sanctions on the business empire of the oligarch, Oleg V. Deripaska, should remain in place, and that a deal negotiated by the Treasury Department to remove them was “flawed and fails to sufficiently limit” Mr. Deripaska’s “control and influence of these companies.”

Mr. Schumer announced that he intended to use a provision in a 2017 sanctions law to prompt a full Senate vote as soon as Tuesday on a resolution to block the Treasury Department’s deal with Mr. Deripaska’s companies.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/12/us/politics/schumer-sanctions-deripaska.html

They are doing their job.


Is that clearer?

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
14. So, they're talking? What have they DONE to remove this cancer?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:40 AM
Apr 2019

By the way, did they ever hold any of the BFEE responsible for their war crimes? Maybe Libby, but I'll have to check my timing on that.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
15. As I said, they are doing their job.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:42 AM
Apr 2019

Why don't you tell us what they are not doing that they could be doing?

Those who claim to be on our side not showing up for votes against, or voting for, sanctions on the oligharch may be the appropriate focus of your anger.

By the way, did they ever hold any of the BFEE responsible for their war crimes? Maybe Libby, but I'll have to check my timing on that.


And when one is stumped for an answer, there is always WHATABOUTISM for the win!!!

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
17. Right now I'm remembering how Democrats, including myself, worked out asses off to
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:46 AM
Apr 2019

get control of the House (for the specific purposes of holding tRump to account) and now what I'm seeing is not at all satisfying. That is what I'm focused on in this discussion, re: Pelosi, that you started by the way.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
20. You avoid the question...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:48 AM
Apr 2019

What are they not doing that they could be doing to keep this oligharch out of business in KY?

Nice try at staying the course on whataboutism.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
23. Well, impeachment, for one. And what are you even talking about "whataboutism"? The simple
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:50 AM
Apr 2019

fact is, we had the same leaders when BFEE was breaking laws. And nothing was done about and they are all still spewing their bullshit, with the curious exception of Baby Bush.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. How exactly will impeachment keep Deripaska from building a plant in KY?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:53 AM
Apr 2019

especially since it won't remove DT from office without the Senate, and at least before 2020?

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
26. Whataboutism. It's clear you have a personal problem with me. It's very simple for you...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:53 AM
Apr 2019

put me on ignore if you don't like my pov.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
34. "Disscussion complete?"
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:02 AM
Apr 2019

I guess "I know you are but what am I" is as much of a real answer to what Democrats could be doing but are not doing concerning Derispaska's plant in Kentucky as you have?

Why don't you enlighten us as to what the options are?

Since Impeachment without the Senate will take years, and won't remove DT, that's not a coherent or specific answer, no matter how many times you copy and paste it here on this thread about an aluminum plant in Kentucky



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. Says you, who complains about "inaction" but can't even name what "action" there is...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:10 AM
Apr 2019

Feel free to use the ignore feature when someone calls you out.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
44. For the whatever'th time: IMPEACHMENT. Now, get your last word.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:12 AM
Apr 2019

EDITED: Because you clearly need that.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
46. You haven't anwered how a futile impeachment would solve this factory in KY.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:19 AM
Apr 2019

Just seems to be a need for a lot of grousing and complaining about how bad Democratic leadership is, with no actual idea of what they could be doing more than they are.

Your turn to "end the discussion."





 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
19. What, exactly, are you implying about me?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:47 AM
Apr 2019
And when one is stumped for an answer, there is always WHATABOUTISM for the win!!!
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. You were stumped for an answer, and so you used
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:50 AM
Apr 2019

whataboutism - with some red herring thrown in.

Is that clearer?

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
24. I was not "stumped for an answer" and I'm beginning to think your participation in this discussion
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:52 AM
Apr 2019

is driven not by my comment in particular, but by your personal dislike of me.

Which means that this discussion is complete.

See ya.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
32. "Discussion complete?" Again - how will impeachment get rid of Deripaska's plant in Kentucky?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:59 AM
Apr 2019

You don't have any real answers what Democrats can do about anything you are upset about, you just want copy and paste "impeachment!! and complain. Your personal dislike of Pelosi is showing.






 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
33. We must start somewhere in order to set things right, which will (hopefully) restore the sanctions.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:02 AM
Apr 2019

But it looks to me like nothing but talk is getting done about removing this cancer.



OK, I'm done because your participation is based more on your dislike of me than it is discussing the issue that nothing but talk (so far as I can see) is getting done about the russian mob overtaking our government, and now working it's way into our economy/commerce, despite President Obama's sanctions.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
38. So you have no idea what other options Dems actually have, but you are sure that they are not
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:06 AM
Apr 2019

doing them.

Your bashing is based more on your dislike of the Democratic party leaders than it is actually discussing what it is that you think they are neglecting by way of "talking."


Got it.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
43. I'm glad you're so pleased with yourself. I hope it helps you to have wonderful day, knowing
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:11 AM
Apr 2019

how you pwned me here. I sincerely mean that.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
45. "Discussion complete" yet again?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:14 AM
Apr 2019

You still can't answer the questions.

Just complain, with no actual justifcation for your complaints.

Until your next attempt at the "last word"...


 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
59. Since I'm in pretty thick with Democrats around here, I can say with authority that we want
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:33 AM
Apr 2019

...impeachment. And we want it now.

But thanks for playing..

mac56

(17,561 posts)
63. It's great to know what you want.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:36 AM
Apr 2019

It's not so great to want something that will never materialize.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
64. No, it isn't. Which is why I'm so passionate about making it happen. And so are all my fellow
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:38 AM
Apr 2019

local Democrats.

CaptainTruth

(6,546 posts)
10. So "America First" means a Russian company builds an aluminum factory in Kentucky...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:36 AM
Apr 2019

Instead of an American company like Alcoa.

Hotler

(11,353 posts)
12. I wonder how much in subsidies the state and our government will hand over?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:39 AM
Apr 2019

Rat fuckers, all of them.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
16. Well, with the Russian
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:42 AM
Apr 2019

on their home turf, it will be easier to exchange $$$$, right?? The gop makes no attempt to hide their disgusting conduct anymore.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
35. Here's the Quid for that Quo you got earlier
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:04 AM
Apr 2019

Thanks for letting us ruin your democracy and steal an election or two or three.

spanone

(135,636 posts)
39. I'm sure mitch will divert Kentuckians hard earned money into russian banks...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:06 AM
Apr 2019

part of his putin deal....

Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Lonestarblue

(9,880 posts)
49. McConnell and Trump will portray this as bringing jobs to the US.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:36 AM
Apr 2019

Which it is. You can be sure that this is part of McConnell’s reelection plan. The fact that this plan stinks to high heaven and that it’s a Russian company will not matter to the red state voters who want good jobs. It will be portrayed as a positive by Republicans and if Democrats manage to stop it, that fact will be used against them. After all, we have German and Chinese companies with manufacturing facilities here—why not the Russians.

I’m not saying that I think this plan isn’t corrupt—it is, because it’s trading foreign policy favoritism to benefit a politician. I just think the Trump base, who are also the McConnell base in Kentucky, will not see it the same way we do. After all, they’ve been just fine with Russia helping Trump steal the presidency.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
52. Impeachment hearings would portray tRump and mcconnell as the beneficiaries of foreign
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:54 AM
Apr 2019

campaign financing and influence.

Some do not possess the imagination this requires to understand how impeachment could stop Oleg Oligarch from getting his steel plant in Kentucky.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
56. Some do not possess the understanding of Trump supporters
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:22 AM
Apr 2019

to support him no matter what, and would consider the as of now guaranteed failure to remove him as "complete exoneration."

Some do not possess the understanding of how his supporters - among them, McConnell's base - will never ask McConnell or DT to stop a plant from being built in Kentucky, so impeachment would be moot concerning that.



https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12011706

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
58. Well.. let's go through this:
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:30 AM
Apr 2019
Impeachment hearings would portray tRump and mcconnell as the beneficiaries of foreign campaign financing and influence.


To whom would impeachment hearings portray tRump and mcconnell as the beneficiaries of foreign campaign financing and influence?

McConnell's supporters? tRump supporters?

No, as I've said, it will not. They will not ever admit that he, McConnell or DT have ever made a mistake, because then they made a mistake. Much like they think Dems will never, ever be right....

So..... How does that stop the plant in Kentucky? Share with me what your "imagination" has come up with on that.


 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
73. Not sure why would anyone feel like stopping the plant from being built is an important goal?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:22 PM
Apr 2019

The actual action of the plant being built is neither here nor there afaic, and I'm sure it'll be quite looked forward to by the people who might want to work there.

OTOH, if it could be shown that McConnell and Paul were aware that their state was in line to get a $200M investment from a guy they were in the process of removing existing sanctions for ... and that therefore there's reason to investigate possible corruption charges against them ... THAT would be a very worthwhile goal.

In the end even if the plant is built despite the corruption (if proven), then so be it. But the goal of Dems in this case should not be to stop the plant, but rather to expose/stop the corruption by McConnell and/or Paul, if it happened.

We (i.e. Dems) wouldn't want to position ourselves as the ones 'trying to prevent the plant being built', that's not the smart move.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
74. Well...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:58 PM
Apr 2019

You clearly haven't been reading what this thread is about - this plant getting built means DEMOCRATS ARE JUST LETTING it HAPPEN, when they should be KICKING ASS!! THEY NEED TO IMPEACH AND ENGAGE THE ENEMY!

BOOYAH!!!





 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
77. I suppose it could be read that way but I think the main thrust is not 'making sure the plant isn't
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:53 PM
Apr 2019

built', but rather 'making sure any corruption that went into making it POSSIBLE to build the plant ... is exposed'.

Just sayin'.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
61. But what about his supporters? How would impeachment proceedings possibly
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:35 AM
Apr 2019

stop mcconnell and Oleg Oligarch from seeing that plant partnership happen?

How??/?!1!!

not fooled

(5,791 posts)
69. OK, peasants
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:52 AM
Apr 2019

Here's the deal--red don is gonna take over your country and turn it into a two-bit banana republic fascist state, to be looted and despoiled by an international criminal oligarchy.


In return, your rulers will dole out a few jobs now and then.

Capiche?


 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
79. LOL - maybe we can talk mueller into investigating mitch mcconnell too.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:26 PM
Apr 2019

I'm sure that report would be worth the wait too.

Maru Kitteh

(28,303 posts)
81. I'm thinking some people come on threads with important news with the goal of making them unreadable
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:03 PM
Apr 2019

Kind of like Trump. BURY the issue with senseless noise and crudely made stink bombs.

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