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Sancho

(9,065 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:42 PM Jun 2019

Russian Hacks on U.S. Voting System Wider Than Previously Known

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections?fbclid=IwAR2hakrs8DpD-SMAq2EoxkLEbRGTxCJkpkxiouY7P_01yya7P8QmBto_jKE

Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

The new details, buttressed by a classified National Security Agency document recently disclosed by the Intercept, show the scope of alleged hacking that federal investigators are scrutinizing as they look into whether Trump campaign officials may have colluded in the efforts. But they also paint a worrisome picture for future elections: The newest portrayal of potentially deep vulnerabilities in the U.S.’s patchwork of voting technologies comes less than a week after former FBI Director James Comey warned Congress that Moscow isn’t done meddling.

In many states, the extent of the Russian infiltration remains unclear. The federal government had no direct authority over state election systems, and some states offered limited cooperation. When then-DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson said last August that the department wanted to declare the systems as national critical infrastructure -- a designation that gives the federal government broader powers to intervene -- Republicans balked. Only after the election did the two sides eventually reach a deal to make the designation.


A detailed article...worth reading.
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Russian Hacks on U.S. Voting System Wider Than Previously Known (Original Post) Sancho Jun 2019 OP
From 2017 zaj Jun 2019 #1
Here in Florida many still don't believe it... Sancho Jun 2019 #7
These HACKS, compounded with Deutsch Bank/putin, owning traitortrump, at some empedocles Jun 2019 #2
But the Russians were unable to change one vote. Beakybird Jun 2019 #3
Wisconsin already has proof, probably other states too FakeNoose Jun 2019 #11
Link? FBaggins Jun 2019 #39
Yeah right. If they had access to pollbooks, I think they did THIS. Captain Zero Jun 2019 #16
Good theory, harder to trace this tactic uponit7771 Jun 2019 #45
well, twitler sorta confessed to this- mopinko Jun 2019 #49
Link? nt Baltimike Jun 2019 #57
"Republicans balked." Of course. From Comey we need what Hortensis Jun 2019 #4
Why do we say Russian hacks and not ReTHUG hacks malaise Jun 2019 #5
I said ths over two years ago. underthematrix Jun 2019 #6
Funny thing, Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #8
Of course it was. They don't fucking tell us anything in a timely manner. Baitball Blogger Jun 2019 #9
I've always believed that the Russians hacked and vote flipped The Figment Jun 2019 #10
Trump won because people bought his sh** stopdiggin Jun 2019 #12
Too many were either misinformed or mal-informed. But in the end it was decided with election triron Jun 2019 #14
They changed vote tallies but probably not by attacking individual voting machines. triron Jun 2019 #13
I'll accept that when I see a major headline stopdiggin Jun 2019 #18
You almost certainly never will. What you believe is exactly what corporate America triron Jun 2019 #23
and the right has their deep state boogieman nt stopdiggin Jun 2019 #42
Ding, ding!!! ElementaryPenguin Jun 2019 #37
Progress on climate change hangs in the balance. Resist! JudyM Jun 2019 #48
Me, too! I believe history cilla4progress Jun 2019 #27
In states that don't typically go red no less Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2019 #60
stick to your gut on this, too fishy to barely win those states Maine-i-acs Jun 2019 #32
THIS !!!! It's strange that the states she lost by razor thin margins were all VSM red states uponit7771 Jun 2019 #46
VSM? triron Jun 2019 #50
Voter Suppression Measure states uponit7771 Jun 2019 #63
"Voting System" DOES NOT MEAN voting machines... brooklynite Jun 2019 #36
My conclusion Timmygoat Jun 2019 #15
I have a nagging feeling..... mudstump Jun 2019 #17
+1 sandensea Jun 2019 #19
Yep. +1000 triron Jun 2019 #24
The Russians were not the only hackers involved. Ford_Prefect Jun 2019 #20
+1,000 Amaryllis Jun 2019 #40
Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million, that was too much of variance dem in texas Jun 2019 #21
I was posting in 2016 that this would be the GRASSY KNOLL of elections... BamaRefugee Jun 2019 #22
So then what will 2020 be? triron Jun 2019 #26
"THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL"... another Electoral College victory but 15 million fewer votes BamaRefugee Jun 2019 #29
K&R... spanone Jun 2019 #25
Plus, anyone recall how exit polling went? cilla4progress Jun 2019 #28
thank you, Ohio 2004 was a steal Maine-i-acs Jun 2019 #31
Clint Curtis. Thanks. underpants Jun 2019 #34
tip of the iceberg there, but typical Maine-i-acs Jun 2019 #41
Exit polls had HRC winning Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Michigan was a tossup. triron Jun 2019 #44
this shows Comey knew of Russians hacking into elections Maine-i-acs Jun 2019 #30
3 short points on this - talk radio, Sen.Warner, political comment underpants Jun 2019 #33
Exit polls had Clinton winning electoral college - 23 of 25 state results skewed toward Trump ElementaryPenguin Jun 2019 #35
Not a gazillion but very large number. triron Jun 2019 #43
russia is running the republican, inc. shitshow Achilleaze Jun 2019 #38
I predict that this time around there will be much less Russian hacking anarch Jun 2019 #47
Putin wasn't into those systems just to "look around." Botany Jun 2019 #51
You are correct, saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #52
The exit polls had HRC winning and don't forget that 16 million people were removed from voter .... Botany Jun 2019 #53
Yet, Republicans saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #55
272 contacts Trump & Russia Botany Jun 2019 #56
I have read before, this time saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #58
The media is horrible on (NOT) covering this. triron Jun 2019 #59
because the liberal media has been the conservative press all along. nt Baltimike Jun 2019 #62
K&R BlueJac Jun 2019 #54
Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #61
Media pretty much ignored this. Even Rachel. triron Jun 2019 #64
knr triron Jun 2019 #65

Sancho

(9,065 posts)
7. Here in Florida many still don't believe it...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:03 PM
Jun 2019

....and I hope that there's enough investigation and publicity to do something before 2020.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
2. These HACKS, compounded with Deutsch Bank/putin, owning traitortrump, at some
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jun 2019

point, - needs to be relentlessly driven into voter minds.

[Not yet, if many voters still assume trump is 'a good businessman'].

Beakybird

(3,329 posts)
3. But the Russians were unable to change one vote.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:53 PM
Jun 2019

Such is the security of our great 20 year old Diebold voting machines.

FakeNoose

(32,328 posts)
11. Wisconsin already has proof, probably other states too
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:23 PM
Jun 2019

I think you forgot the "sarcasm" thingy on your post.

Captain Zero

(6,714 posts)
16. Yeah right. If they had access to pollbooks, I think they did THIS.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:10 PM
Jun 2019

They didn't get access to pollbooks for nothing... I think they ADDED legit voters who live in the area (it's why the GOP was giving them demographic data), but who were not registered, then voted them for Trump on election day. Everyone always says they were deleting voters. I SAY THEY WERE ADDING VOTERS, AND VOTING THEM FOR TRUMP.

mopinko

(69,803 posts)
49. well, twitler sorta confessed to this-
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:57 AM
Jun 2019

didnt he say that there were people going from polling place to polling place, voting all day?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. "Republicans balked." Of course. From Comey we need what
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jun 2019

he knows about election interference from domestic enemies. Under oath. After investigation persuades him to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

malaise

(267,797 posts)
5. Why do we say Russian hacks and not ReTHUG hacks
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:01 PM
Jun 2019

They were done on behalf of ReTHUGs who then said to keep it secret.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Funny thing,
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:14 PM
Jun 2019

here in Vegas each fall there is a Hackers Convention. When you have Middle School Kids Hacking the hell out of these voting machines,well,guess what,that machine software is pure crap.

The Young fellow who hacked a machine in record time was detained by local FBI people. And of course the local Media never followed up on that story.

And how did they find the Machines that they Hacked,found them on E Bay and other online sites. Most never had their memory cards erased and the story that never made the news was,the memories of some of the machines showed evidence of being manipulated before the Hackers had their chance to mess with them.

The Figment

(494 posts)
10. I've always believed that the Russians hacked and vote flipped
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:22 PM
Jun 2019

A bunch of machines in a broad based hack on our electoral system, most folks think I'm just nutso but how else could Shitler have won?

It wouldn't take much to change just a few votes in each county in the three states that gave him the electoral college win.

stopdiggin

(11,089 posts)
12. Trump won because people bought his sh**
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:04 PM
Jun 2019

Trump won because a lot of Americans are much more venal that they're willing to tell you. (uninformed and just plain butt stupid also play a roll) "Establishment politicians", "the system is rigged", "Americans are being taken advantage of", along with a good healthy dose of that old Republicans standby fear mongering and racism ... You can blame the Russians if you want, but the fact is a LOT of Americans BOUGHT this toxic pile of crap.

triron

(21,914 posts)
14. Too many were either misinformed or mal-informed. But in the end it was decided with election
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:41 PM
Jun 2019

tampering.

triron

(21,914 posts)
13. They changed vote tallies but probably not by attacking individual voting machines.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jun 2019

Exit polling also point (statistically) to election manipulation.

stopdiggin

(11,089 posts)
18. I'll accept that when I see a major headline
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:22 PM
Jun 2019

I keep on hearing this. I'm skeptical .. basically because I think if there was anything really solid here it would have BLOWN UP in the major media. Not only US, but undoubtedly around the world. Maybe that's what you mean by "statistically point?" What I do keep hearing (and reading) is "no solid proof."

triron

(21,914 posts)
23. You almost certainly never will. What you believe is exactly what corporate America
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:12 PM
Jun 2019

and mainstream media want you to believe.

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
37. Ding, ding!!!
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jun 2019

You nailed it, triron! You spoke the unspeakable truth! Exit polls proved there was tampering. Of course! After all the influence campaigning Russia had done - on the eve of the election, Hillary was still heavily favored to win. What was Putin going to do - be content with a close loss? Princeton University technology department was asked just weeks before the election - would Russia be capable of hacking and changing our election results? Their reply was "it would be child's play for the Russians."


cilla4progress

(24,585 posts)
27. Me, too! I believe history
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jun 2019

will bear us out. He won by less that 1% in three states - garnering electoral college vote. Coincidence? Highly doubtable.

Maine-i-acs

(1,496 posts)
32. stick to your gut on this, too fishy to barely win those states
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:29 PM
Jun 2019

esp. where Hillary was slated to win
look at the R governors and SOS's
Look which machines are scanning and tabulating, and who they support

Then Shitler knew the fix was in, so he scrambled there to have some last minute rallies of the clueless and toothless, in order to add a smudge of credibility to the surprise finding

but he couldn't keep his mouth shut, and bragged about those wins a little too much

brooklynite

(93,840 posts)
36. "Voting System" DOES NOT MEAN voting machines...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:38 PM
Jun 2019

There is NO HARD EVIDENCE that votes were flipped (and if they were, no explanation as to why they weren't flipped in 2018) and NOBODY involved in the 2016 election (candidates, campaign staff, Party Chairs) say they were.

mudstump

(342 posts)
17. I have a nagging feeling.....
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:17 PM
Jun 2019

that just before the next election we will find out that the Russians hacked the actual votes in a number of key states.....and will know that no one did anything to prevent it happening again. This country is in deep trouble.

Ford_Prefect

(7,817 posts)
20. The Russians were not the only hackers involved.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:40 PM
Jun 2019

The principal companies providing voting hardware and software are owned by Right-wing conservatives. They were when HAVA was passed.

There is evidence of vote rigging by various means from the polling level up to the state tabulation in all of the elections since HAVA became law and especially in 2016. Typically it happens in states with GOP governors, but it was not limited to that. The easy way was to hide the vote rigging in the last software update applied to on-site voting machines. The bugged software runs during the election and then erases itself.

dem in texas

(2,672 posts)
21. Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million, that was too much of variance
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:44 PM
Jun 2019

A very smart mathematician could figure out which states and which districts to alter to win the electoral college. All three states difference was just under the 5% threshold that would have triggered an audit of the electoral votes.

Look at how the gerrymandering works, they can figure out just how to arrange the lines in a district to keep it in Republican control.

cilla4progress

(24,585 posts)
28. Plus, anyone recall how exit polling went?
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:33 PM
Jun 2019

I don't.

If I recall correctly, exit polling in 2004 showed a Kerry win..but GW got the re-elect. Also questionable. Cheaters from way back.

Do most people know that exit polling is considered a highly reliable indicator? That's what we used to use when WE were election monitors overseas - many times under Jimmy Carter.

Maine-i-acs

(1,496 posts)
31. thank you, Ohio 2004 was a steal
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:26 PM
Jun 2019

SOS and voting machines in repub. pockets
vote tabulators routed to a server owned by Karl Rove
mysterious death of a programmer
and please don't forget Clint Curtis' testimony to congress showing how he wrote code to change tabulator vote totals.
ballots disappearing into private vehicles

it all adds up
unless you're a Democrat and then it won't add up in your favor.

Ohio 2004 is where they "changed the exit polling totals after to reflect the actual vote reported"
never had to do that before...

underpants

(182,271 posts)
34. Clint Curtis. Thanks.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:32 PM
Jun 2019

Yes I'd forgotten about that. Bookmarking thread primarily for your post.

Franklin County Ohio 2004 - didn't they run away to the top of the courthaouse and excluded the press while they counted votes?

Maine-i-acs

(1,496 posts)
41. tip of the iceberg there, but typical
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:30 PM
Jun 2019

the counting process itself routinely broke rules
bipartisanship especially
there were also 'paper democrats' - R's who switched parties JUST to be included in the vote counting, as D 'witnesses'.

Maine-i-acs

(1,496 posts)
30. this shows Comey knew of Russians hacking into elections
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:22 PM
Jun 2019

another reason for TrumpenFuhrer to fire him,

then brag to the Russian ambassador and FM about it right after
to show them that he did their bidding
removing an obstacle
and giving a green light for them to continue

underpants

(182,271 posts)
33. 3 short points on this - talk radio, Sen.Warner, political comment
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jun 2019

1. This has been talk radio's great final statement on this THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANY VOTES. Limbaugh has been big on this for a while. I knew from how much it's repeated there it had to be a distraction/lie.

2. Sen Warner publicly stated after the Senate research on this that Russian elements changed search engine results specifically in certain areas of Michigan Wisconsin Pennsylvania. If you searched for a recipe you got at least one ad pro-Trump AND one anti-Hillary. This is never noted in the media.

3. The political commentators brushed off Russian involvement because they could never understand the nuances of American politics. Bullshit. My wife and I, let alone a team of people with hacking assistance, could take a week and list the top precincts to target in each swing state. The numbers are available.

Ok. Done now.

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
35. Exit polls had Clinton winning electoral college - 23 of 25 state results skewed toward Trump
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:33 PM
Jun 2019

Over the margin of error - which is said to be the same odds as flipping a coin heads 23 out of 25 tries - astronomical - gazillions to one!

triron

(21,914 posts)
43. Not a gazillion but very large number.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:09 AM
Jun 2019

I believe I calculated something like 750000 to 1. Likely to happen once every 3 million years.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
38. russia is running the republican, inc. shitshow
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:50 PM
Jun 2019

republicans are in bed with the freaking Evil Empire*


* russia, according to ronald freaking reagan

anarch

(6,535 posts)
47. I predict that this time around there will be much less Russian hacking
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:04 AM
Jun 2019

in that the GOP will just openly work with the Russians from the start, so they won't really have to hack anything, they'll just be given access to all the data, etc...

Botany

(70,285 posts)
51. Putin wasn't into those systems just to "look around."
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:37 AM
Jun 2019

Trump wasn't elected but installed by Russia.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
52. You are correct,
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jun 2019

and every day there are new horrors coming out of his pie hole in a never ending barker, side show.

Botany

(70,285 posts)
53. The exit polls had HRC winning and don't forget that 16 million people were removed from voter ....
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:12 PM
Jun 2019

... rolls prior to the 2016 vote.

https://thinkprogress.org/states-purged-16-million-voters-from-the-rolls-before-the-2016-election-1c5688dcaad7/

Every time I hear about Trump getting elected or trying to be re-elected I want to scream.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
55. Yet, Republicans
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:21 PM
Jun 2019

and their beloved leader are blocking all efforts to insure our elections are safe from foreign meddling. As for the injustice done to Mrs. Clinton, I can only hope that historians will label IT as the first President funded and elected by Russia.

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triron

(21,914 posts)
64. Media pretty much ignored this. Even Rachel.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:04 PM
Jun 2019

I am losing hope. Something is not right with the democrats either.
Get ready for resurgence of Nazism.

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