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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections?fbclid=IwAR2hakrs8DpD-SMAq2EoxkLEbRGTxCJkpkxiouY7P_01yya7P8QmBto_jKEIn Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.
The new details, buttressed by a classified National Security Agency document recently disclosed by the Intercept, show the scope of alleged hacking that federal investigators are scrutinizing as they look into whether Trump campaign officials may have colluded in the efforts. But they also paint a worrisome picture for future elections: The newest portrayal of potentially deep vulnerabilities in the U.S.s patchwork of voting technologies comes less than a week after former FBI Director James Comey warned Congress that Moscow isnt done meddling.
In many states, the extent of the Russian infiltration remains unclear. The federal government had no direct authority over state election systems, and some states offered limited cooperation. When then-DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson said last August that the department wanted to declare the systems as national critical infrastructure -- a designation that gives the federal government broader powers to intervene -- Republicans balked. Only after the election did the two sides eventually reach a deal to make the designation.
A detailed article...worth reading.
Sancho
(9,065 posts)....and I hope that there's enough investigation and publicity to do something before 2020.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)point, - needs to be relentlessly driven into voter minds.
[Not yet, if many voters still assume trump is 'a good businessman'].
Beakybird
(3,329 posts)Such is the security of our great 20 year old Diebold voting machines.
FakeNoose
(32,328 posts)I think you forgot the "sarcasm" thingy on your post.
FBaggins
(26,693 posts)I have yet to see a report of plausible vote changing.
Captain Zero
(6,714 posts)They didn't get access to pollbooks for nothing... I think they ADDED legit voters who live in the area (it's why the GOP was giving them demographic data), but who were not registered, then voted them for Trump on election day. Everyone always says they were deleting voters. I SAY THEY WERE ADDING VOTERS, AND VOTING THEM FOR TRUMP.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)mopinko
(69,803 posts)didnt he say that there were people going from polling place to polling place, voting all day?
Baltimike
(4,123 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)he knows about election interference from domestic enemies. Under oath. After investigation persuades him to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
malaise
(267,797 posts)They were done on behalf of ReTHUGs who then said to keep it secret.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)here in Vegas each fall there is a Hackers Convention. When you have Middle School Kids Hacking the hell out of these voting machines,well,guess what,that machine software is pure crap.
The Young fellow who hacked a machine in record time was detained by local FBI people. And of course the local Media never followed up on that story.
And how did they find the Machines that they Hacked,found them on E Bay and other online sites. Most never had their memory cards erased and the story that never made the news was,the memories of some of the machines showed evidence of being manipulated before the Hackers had their chance to mess with them.
Baitball Blogger
(46,572 posts)The Figment
(494 posts)A bunch of machines in a broad based hack on our electoral system, most folks think I'm just nutso but how else could Shitler have won?
It wouldn't take much to change just a few votes in each county in the three states that gave him the electoral college win.
stopdiggin
(11,089 posts)Trump won because a lot of Americans are much more venal that they're willing to tell you. (uninformed and just plain butt stupid also play a roll) "Establishment politicians", "the system is rigged", "Americans are being taken advantage of", along with a good healthy dose of that old Republicans standby fear mongering and racism ... You can blame the Russians if you want, but the fact is a LOT of Americans BOUGHT this toxic pile of crap.
triron
(21,914 posts)tampering.
triron
(21,914 posts)Exit polling also point (statistically) to election manipulation.
stopdiggin
(11,089 posts)I keep on hearing this. I'm skeptical .. basically because I think if there was anything really solid here it would have BLOWN UP in the major media. Not only US, but undoubtedly around the world. Maybe that's what you mean by "statistically point?" What I do keep hearing (and reading) is "no solid proof."
triron
(21,914 posts)and mainstream media want you to believe.
stopdiggin
(11,089 posts)ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)You nailed it, triron! You spoke the unspeakable truth! Exit polls proved there was tampering. Of course! After all the influence campaigning Russia had done - on the eve of the election, Hillary was still heavily favored to win. What was Putin going to do - be content with a close loss? Princeton University technology department was asked just weeks before the election - would Russia be capable of hacking and changing our election results? Their reply was "it would be child's play for the Russians."
JudyM
(29,122 posts)cilla4progress
(24,585 posts)will bear us out. He won by less that 1% in three states - garnering electoral college vote. Coincidence? Highly doubtable.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,353 posts)Maine-i-acs
(1,496 posts)esp. where Hillary was slated to win
look at the R governors and SOS's
Look which machines are scanning and tabulating, and who they support
Then Shitler knew the fix was in, so he scrambled there to have some last minute rallies of the clueless and toothless, in order to add a smudge of credibility to the surprise finding
but he couldn't keep his mouth shut, and bragged about those wins a little too much
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)brooklynite
(93,840 posts)There is NO HARD EVIDENCE that votes were flipped (and if they were, no explanation as to why they weren't flipped in 2018) and NOBODY involved in the 2016 election (candidates, campaign staff, Party Chairs) say they were.
Timmygoat
(779 posts)We have an illegitimate president.
mudstump
(342 posts)that just before the next election we will find out that the Russians hacked the actual votes in a number of key states.....and will know that no one did anything to prevent it happening again. This country is in deep trouble.
Those votes were flipped like a plateful of blinis.
triron
(21,914 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,817 posts)The principal companies providing voting hardware and software are owned by Right-wing conservatives. They were when HAVA was passed.
There is evidence of vote rigging by various means from the polling level up to the state tabulation in all of the elections since HAVA became law and especially in 2016. Typically it happens in states with GOP governors, but it was not limited to that. The easy way was to hide the vote rigging in the last software update applied to on-site voting machines. The bugged software runs during the election and then erases itself.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)dem in texas
(2,672 posts)A very smart mathematician could figure out which states and which districts to alter to win the electoral college. All three states difference was just under the 5% threshold that would have triggered an audit of the electoral votes.
Look at how the gerrymandering works, they can figure out just how to arrange the lines in a district to keep it in Republican control.
BamaRefugee
(3,476 posts)triron
(21,914 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,476 posts)spanone
(135,632 posts)goddammit
cilla4progress
(24,585 posts)I don't.
If I recall correctly, exit polling in 2004 showed a Kerry win..but GW got the re-elect. Also questionable. Cheaters from way back.
Do most people know that exit polling is considered a highly reliable indicator? That's what we used to use when WE were election monitors overseas - many times under Jimmy Carter.
Maine-i-acs
(1,496 posts)SOS and voting machines in repub. pockets
vote tabulators routed to a server owned by Karl Rove
mysterious death of a programmer
and please don't forget Clint Curtis' testimony to congress showing how he wrote code to change tabulator vote totals.
ballots disappearing into private vehicles
it all adds up
unless you're a Democrat and then it won't add up in your favor.
Ohio 2004 is where they "changed the exit polling totals after to reflect the actual vote reported"
never had to do that before...
underpants
(182,271 posts)Yes I'd forgotten about that. Bookmarking thread primarily for your post.
Franklin County Ohio 2004 - didn't they run away to the top of the courthaouse and excluded the press while they counted votes?
Maine-i-acs
(1,496 posts)the counting process itself routinely broke rules
bipartisanship especially
there were also 'paper democrats' - R's who switched parties JUST to be included in the vote counting, as D 'witnesses'.
triron
(21,914 posts)Maine-i-acs
(1,496 posts)another reason for TrumpenFuhrer to fire him,
then brag to the Russian ambassador and FM about it right after
to show them that he did their bidding
removing an obstacle
and giving a green light for them to continue
underpants
(182,271 posts)1. This has been talk radio's great final statement on this THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANY VOTES. Limbaugh has been big on this for a while. I knew from how much it's repeated there it had to be a distraction/lie.
2. Sen Warner publicly stated after the Senate research on this that Russian elements changed search engine results specifically in certain areas of Michigan Wisconsin Pennsylvania. If you searched for a recipe you got at least one ad pro-Trump AND one anti-Hillary. This is never noted in the media.
3. The political commentators brushed off Russian involvement because they could never understand the nuances of American politics. Bullshit. My wife and I, let alone a team of people with hacking assistance, could take a week and list the top precincts to target in each swing state. The numbers are available.
Ok. Done now.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)Over the margin of error - which is said to be the same odds as flipping a coin heads 23 out of 25 tries - astronomical - gazillions to one!
triron
(21,914 posts)I believe I calculated something like 750000 to 1. Likely to happen once every 3 million years.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)republicans are in bed with the freaking Evil Empire*
* russia, according to ronald freaking reagan
anarch
(6,535 posts)in that the GOP will just openly work with the Russians from the start, so they won't really have to hack anything, they'll just be given access to all the data, etc...
Botany
(70,285 posts)Trump wasn't elected but installed by Russia.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)and every day there are new horrors coming out of his pie hole in a never ending barker, side show.
Botany
(70,285 posts)... rolls prior to the 2016 vote.
https://thinkprogress.org/states-purged-16-million-voters-from-the-rolls-before-the-2016-election-1c5688dcaad7/
Every time I hear about Trump getting elected or trying to be re-elected I want to scream.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)and their beloved leader are blocking all efforts to insure our elections are safe from foreign meddling. As for the injustice done to Mrs. Clinton, I can only hope that historians will label IT as the first President funded and elected by Russia.
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Botany
(70,285 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I will forward the link.
triron
(21,914 posts)Baltimike
(4,123 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)triron
(21,914 posts)I am losing hope. Something is not right with the democrats either.
Get ready for resurgence of Nazism.