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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMichael Moore, I thought you were smarter than this.
Saw his tweet about how bad the Mueller hearing went.
Doesnt he know how impressionable people are and the ones who did NOT see the hearings will read what he said and then think there is no there there?
Jesus man, I thought you were smart?
Not going to link his comments, they only hurt democracy, freedom and the human race.
marble falls
(56,353 posts)Ninga
(8,266 posts)as 45.
Caliman73
(11,690 posts)I understand the frustration at the appearance of the party not doing enough, but I agree. His criticisms can be stated in a way that are informative, but not divisive and demoralizing.
He has become rather pompous.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)No longer.
murielm99
(30,655 posts)I used to like him. Not any more!
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)me and help me say sane. But his act has gotten old and stale, and these days he's more of an annoyance and a constant downer.
JI7
(89,172 posts)support Nader.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)What he actually said was vote for Nader if you're in a safe state, and vote for Gore if you're in a swing state.
But even that statement and that kind of thinking does enormous damage. Especially since Gore has turned out to be way better than Nader is or ever has been on most issues. Nader is a fraud. Gore is the real deal.
JI7
(89,172 posts)to get Bush as president which he wanted.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)I get it, you have issues with Moore. Fair enough. He's earned some criticism. But to suggest he wanted Bush elected is total hyperbole.
JI7
(89,172 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)that doesn't mean he wants Republicans to get elected. Reactionary statements like that help nothing.
JI7
(89,172 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)JI7
(89,172 posts)while still trying to claim to be from the left.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)He most definitely does not do everything he can to help Republicans get elected. Like I said, Moore can be an idiot at times in the same way that much of the far left can be, but he's no Republican.
JI7
(89,172 posts)and embracing a rapist like assange. fuck Michael Moore.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)But your caricature of him is overly simplistic and hyperbolic.
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dalton99a
(81,062 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)he was actively campaigning for John Kerry in 2004 and going around to college campuses organizing them to vote.
JI7
(89,172 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)he misdirects his issues with the Democratic Party at the wrong time and in the wrong place. He's far from alone in that.
JI7
(89,172 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)JI7
(89,172 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)I've watched Moore for many years. He even came to my college once and gave a speech that I attended. To suggest that he does nothing but try and help Republicans get elected is to cherry pick facts and data and ignore the bigger picture. Moore has been an outspoken critic of the GOP for ever and, contrary to your assessment, has often worked to defeat them and their policies at the polls.
Where he screws up is being an overly puritanical leftist who takes out his frustrations with Democrats in inappropriate and counterproductive ways.
JI7
(89,172 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2019, 05:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Lots of leftists were initially taken in by Hugo Chavez as well. Many of them were here on this board. This site used to have a whole cadre of Chavez defenders. They're pretty much silent now since he left Venezuela in ruins. It's called being wrong. It happens to everybody sometimes. It doesn't mean that you are wrong on everything or always working to get Republicans elected.
JI7
(89,172 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,813 posts)Michael Moore was yucking it up with Julian Assange in the summer of 2016 as Assange and Wikileaks were coordinating with the Trump campaign to release hacked emails from Democrats.
I'm glad his terrible tweet about Mueller has helped to open people's eyes about the guy.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)Is a useless lump of flesh wallowing in his own self-righteously inflated ego. Much like another so-called liberal pundit who was kicked off of air America for completely justifiable reasons. Both are useless.
JI7
(89,172 posts)can be president.
dalton99a
(81,062 posts)By DAVID W. CHEN
OCT. 15, 2000
From the standing-room-only logjam near the stage to the nosebleed seats near the championship banners of the Knicks and Rangers, about 15,000 people of all ages, hair colors and political backgrounds filled Madison Square Garden on Friday night for the biggest rally yet supporting Ralph Nader's presidential bid. ...
Michael Moore, the filmmaker, lambasted the front-runners. ''A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush,'' he said. ''If they both believe in the same thing, wouldn't you want the original than the copy? Wouldn't you want Bush? Sirloin or hamburger? Which would you go for?''
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/15/us/the-2000-campaign-the-green-party-in-nader-supporters-math-gore-equals-bush.html
JI7
(89,172 posts)his so called anti trump comments are full of attacks on Democrats.
dalton99a
(81,062 posts)JI7
(89,172 posts)peggysue2
(10,811 posts)Take in only what you saw, don't think about what you heard. Because what we heard was all negative for the Trumpster and his Republican enablers.
Time to look in the mirror, Mr. Moore.
JI7
(89,172 posts)who else does that remind you of. see below and the comments after.
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/michael-moore-smear-law-suit-boston-light-sound-chapin-cutler-1202003806/#respond
mcar
(42,206 posts)He Assange and Greenwald, and now seems to hate Democrats.
JI7
(89,172 posts)where he just looked really happy, he never mentioned the Russian attack on the election.
mcar
(42,206 posts)dalton99a
(81,062 posts)It's very telling
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Stick to points like that instead of hyperbolic crap.
dalton99a
(81,062 posts)Speech given by Michael Moore on October 24, 2016 in Ohio
I know a lot of people in Michigan who are planning to vote for Trump. And they dont necessarily like him that much, and they dont necessarily agree with him.
Theyre not racist and rednecks. Theyre actually pretty decent people. And so I wanted to, after talking to a number of them, I wanted to write this.
Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of the Ford Motor executives and said, if you close these factories as youre planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, Im going to put a 35-percent tariff on those cars when you send them back, and nobodys going to buy them.
It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives, and it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, the Brexit states.
You live here in Ohio. You know what Im talking about. Whether Trump means it or not is kind of irrelevant because hes saying the things to people who are hurting.
And thats why every beaten-down nameless forgotten working stiff who used to be part of what was called the middle class loves Trump. He is the human Molotov cocktail that theyve been waiting for, the human hand grenade that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them.
And on November eight, election day, although they lost their jobs, although theyve been foreclosed on by the bank, next came the divorce, and now the wife and kids are gone, the cars been reposed, they havent had a real vacation in years, theyre stuck with the shitty Obamacare Bronze Plan when you cant even get a fucking percocet, theyve essentially lost everything they have except one thing, the one thing that doesnt cost them a cent and is guaranteed to them by the American Constitution: the right to vote.
They might be penniless. They might be homeless. They might be fucked over and fucked up. It doesnt matter because its equalized on that day. A millionaire has the same number of votes as the person without a job: one. And theres more of the former middle class than there are in the millionaire class.
So on November eight, the dispossessed will walk into the voting booth, be handed a ballot, close the curtain, and take that lever or felt pen or touch screen, and put a big fucking X in the box by the name of the man who has threatened to upend and overturn the very system that has ruined their lives: Donald J Trump.
They see that the elites who ruined their lives hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump. The media hates Trump, after they loved him and created him and now hate him. Thank you, media.
The enemy of my enemy is who Im voting for on November eight.
Yes, on November eight, you, Joe Blow, Steve Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, Billy-Bob Blow, all the Blows get to blow up the whole goddamn system because its your right.
The Trump election is going to be the biggest fuck you ever recorded in human history.
And it will feel good.
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)The man helped elect bush and defeat Al Gore. I have no use for this person
I was amused to see that his last film bombed at the box office. It seems that I am not only one who have no use for this person
silentEcho
(424 posts)He left out the really important factual information at a time the people wanted to be educated and had more an entertainment fluff piece. The only Moore movie I have seen. Really a poor, unhelpful job.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)It discussed Bush Saudi ties and their involvement in 9/11. You didn't see much of that at the time especially when Fox News & Bush were trying to blame it on Iraq.
silentEcho
(424 posts)Everything in the movie, nothing new. Too much was downplayed or off point for entertainment. We could clearly see it was a fluff piece drama'ed in hype.
I wanted it to be something. But it was not. The only time in my adult life I put effort going to a movie theater, at night. I haven't done it since. Not my thing. All the effort and phhf. Not much of anything of sustenance.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The 24/7 news never mentioned it at the time. Even today there's never been much mention of it. The 9/11 families' lawsuit is rarely covered.
silentEcho
(424 posts)today that elected Trump and allow a disruption by Sanders.
You might want to think about that.
They didn't pay attention then (Nader and Sarandon) and they are not paying attention now. Too busy manufacturing there own illusion and it seems the top of that list is the discrimination of white men. I am really starting to see it all boil down to that. I got to tell you, Moore is one of our own, that has been voicing white male in his way, all of his career. A little bit of misogyny in his self righteous spiel.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)One major reason is his position on Saudi Arabia. He ran dropped out & endorsed the candidate. I voted for Hillary Clinton but since I live in Arizona my vote didnt count (all the electoral votes went to Trump).
I'm not sure I understand the last paragraph. I don't believe there is discrimination against white men. I only watch his films and don't keep up with what he says day to day. I still respect Surandon & Moore for their opposition to Iraq war and the abuse they faced for it. It is sad to see them disliked as much as they are by the left but myself I voted for Hillary Clinton (I'm pretty sure so did Michael Moore).
silentEcho
(424 posts)dalton99a
(81,062 posts)He'll do it again next year.
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)His films are bombing
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)silentEcho
(424 posts)MacDombles
(28 posts)1. Incorrect and looking for attention
or
2. Correct and the hearings didn't go as most hoped.
Every single person who watched those hearings will come out with their own opinion based either on what actually happened, or what THEY wanted to see happen based on what they already believe. Just like reading the report. Since his opinion doesn't seem to appear to have the markings of someone who just follows the crowd, I will assume he is just being honest and his normal followers don't want to hear it. If a person actually read the report, then nothing in the hearing should have surprised them. No bombshells or new info came out. I wasn't swayed either way on the info in the report based on the hearing and I believe MM just said the same thing, only in a MM way. It may have been just simply an event that was a little over hyped and he saw it from the beginning, and wanted to post an "I told you so" to the world.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)your post, that is
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and has been sinking deeper ever since...
Wounded Bear
(58,436 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,669 posts)Now, seven months hence and he is seen for what he has become - unhelpful.
As someone said upthread, he was relevant 20 years ago.