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Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:40 PM Jul 2019

Michael Moore, I thought you were smarter than this.

Saw his tweet about how bad the Mueller hearing went.

Doesnt he know how impressionable people are and the ones who did NOT see the hearings will read what he said and then think there is no there there?

Jesus man, I thought you were smart?

Not going to link his comments, they only hurt democracy, freedom and the human race.

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Michael Moore, I thought you were smarter than this. (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 OP
+1000% marble falls Jul 2019 #1
It's bad enough we have to prevail in the face of GOP hate. Moore is in his own way, as self serving Ninga Jul 2019 #2
Celebrities sometimes begin to enjoy the sound of their voice more than the message. Caliman73 Jul 2019 #3
Moore was relevant 10-20 years ago Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #4
You said it better than I could. murielm99 Jul 2019 #7
Michael Moore did a lot during the Bush years to both educate Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #9
Moore wanted Bush to be president that's why he told people to JI7 Jul 2019 #13
Not really. Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #15
it's a bunch of bs so he can still claim to be the left while doing all he can JI7 Jul 2019 #17
I don't think he really wanted Bush elected Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #22
he says the only thing Obama will be known for is that he is black JI7 Jul 2019 #23
As said before, Moore has earned some criticism. And I have my share or it for him Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #25
of course he does. he was with Assange on the day of the trump tower meeting JI7 Jul 2019 #26
Which proves nothing except that he's an idiot. n/t Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #27
it's a consistent pattern of him doing all he can to help republicans JI7 Jul 2019 #28
If you look at Moore's body of work over the course of his life Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #31
lol, it's so fucking obvious what he is with his hatred of Obama JI7 Jul 2019 #32
I can understand your issues with him Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Jul 2019 #33
+1. He actually actively campaigned against Democrats in every election dalton99a Jul 2019 #34
Not even remotely true. Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #36
the timing if his anti Obama comments were right before the 2014 elections JI7 Jul 2019 #37
Proving nothing except that like many on the far left Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #41
most of them are frauds that want republicans to win JI7 Jul 2019 #42
Overly simplistic drivel. n/t Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #43
nope, consistent pattern of doing what they can to help republicans JI7 Jul 2019 #44
Not a consistent pattern at all Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #47
how is hanging out with the Rapist Assange a leftist thing ? JI7 Jul 2019 #48
Lots of leftists were initially taken in by Assange Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #49
this was in June 2016 JI7 Jul 2019 #50
Which changes nothing. n/t Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #51
You thought he was smarter than that? W_HAMILTON Jul 2019 #5
Michael Moore.... quickesst Jul 2019 #6
why would you think that ? he is the same person that told people to vote Nader so Bush JI7 Jul 2019 #8
"A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush.'' - Michael Moore dalton99a Jul 2019 #14
yup, same shit as ever. and he has never spoken as ugly as trump as he did Mueller JI7 Jul 2019 #19
. dalton99a Jul 2019 #10
this is who Michael Moore was with on the day of that Trump Tower meeting on "adoption' JI7 Jul 2019 #11
So, Moore has become another optics guy peggysue2 Jul 2019 #12
Michael Moore doesn't pay contractors JI7 Jul 2019 #16
He is a disappointment mcar Jul 2019 #18
and when he went his"i told you so, Hillary would lose" tour after the election JI7 Jul 2019 #20
Or his support of Stein. mcar Jul 2019 #21
+1. Michael Moore has never said one bad thing about Putin or Russian interference. dalton99a Jul 2019 #29
Which is a very legitimate criticism of him that I completely agree with. Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #39
Michael Moore says the middle class needs to vote for Donald Trump dalton99a Jul 2019 #24
I stopped paying attention to Moore a long time ago Gothmog Jul 2019 #30
I was so excited to see Fahrenheit 911 and so very disappointed. silentEcho Jul 2019 #40
Farenheit 9/11 discussed facts you rarely saw anywhere JonLP24 Jul 2019 #45
No it did not. I expected new info. That was the hype. Anyone following even a little, already knew silentEcho Jul 2019 #54
Only those paying close attention knew all those facts JonLP24 Jul 2019 #55
9/11, starting two wars, election theft. The people that were not paying attention are the ones silentEcho Jul 2019 #56
I voted for Sanders and would do so again JonLP24 Jul 2019 #57
Of course. silentEcho Jul 2019 #59
He is a Trump enabler, peddling economic anxiety bullshit dalton99a Jul 2019 #46
Hopefully no one will pay attention to Moore Gothmog Jul 2019 #62
moore showed no remorse for helping to elect Bush over Al Gore Gothmog Jul 2019 #63
I have not thought Moore smarter than anything since at least 2006'ish. silentEcho Jul 2019 #38
He is either... MacDombles Jul 2019 #52
Sounds like rightwing talking points to me Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 #61
He started going off the deep end in Obama's second term Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #53
I think MM has exceeded his shelflife... Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #58
It was just before the New Year I had a post locked for slamming Moore. Stinky The Clown Jul 2019 #60

Ninga

(8,266 posts)
2. It's bad enough we have to prevail in the face of GOP hate. Moore is in his own way, as self serving
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jul 2019

as 45.

Caliman73

(11,690 posts)
3. Celebrities sometimes begin to enjoy the sound of their voice more than the message.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:47 PM
Jul 2019

I understand the frustration at the appearance of the party not doing enough, but I agree. His criticisms can be stated in a way that are informative, but not divisive and demoralizing.

He has become rather pompous.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
9. Michael Moore did a lot during the Bush years to both educate
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jul 2019

me and help me say sane. But his act has gotten old and stale, and these days he's more of an annoyance and a constant downer.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
15. Not really.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:02 PM
Jul 2019

What he actually said was vote for Nader if you're in a safe state, and vote for Gore if you're in a swing state.

But even that statement and that kind of thinking does enormous damage. Especially since Gore has turned out to be way better than Nader is or ever has been on most issues. Nader is a fraud. Gore is the real deal.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
17. it's a bunch of bs so he can still claim to be the left while doing all he can
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:04 PM
Jul 2019

to get Bush as president which he wanted.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
22. I don't think he really wanted Bush elected
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jul 2019

I get it, you have issues with Moore. Fair enough. He's earned some criticism. But to suggest he wanted Bush elected is total hyperbole.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
25. As said before, Moore has earned some criticism. And I have my share or it for him
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:18 PM
Jul 2019

that doesn't mean he wants Republicans to get elected. Reactionary statements like that help nothing.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
28. it's a consistent pattern of him doing all he can to help republicans
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:23 PM
Jul 2019

while still trying to claim to be from the left.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
31. If you look at Moore's body of work over the course of his life
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jul 2019

He most definitely does not do everything he can to help Republicans get elected. Like I said, Moore can be an idiot at times in the same way that much of the far left can be, but he's no Republican.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
32. lol, it's so fucking obvious what he is with his hatred of Obama
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:26 PM
Jul 2019

and embracing a rapist like assange. fuck Michael Moore.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
35. I can understand your issues with him
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:28 PM
Jul 2019

But your caricature of him is overly simplistic and hyperbolic.

Response to JI7 (Reply #28)

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
36. Not even remotely true.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:29 PM
Jul 2019

he was actively campaigning for John Kerry in 2004 and going around to college campuses organizing them to vote.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
41. Proving nothing except that like many on the far left
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:33 PM
Jul 2019

he misdirects his issues with the Democratic Party at the wrong time and in the wrong place. He's far from alone in that.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
47. Not a consistent pattern at all
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:42 PM
Jul 2019

I've watched Moore for many years. He even came to my college once and gave a speech that I attended. To suggest that he does nothing but try and help Republicans get elected is to cherry pick facts and data and ignore the bigger picture. Moore has been an outspoken critic of the GOP for ever and, contrary to your assessment, has often worked to defeat them and their policies at the polls.

Where he screws up is being an overly puritanical leftist who takes out his frustrations with Democrats in inappropriate and counterproductive ways.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
49. Lots of leftists were initially taken in by Assange
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:49 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2019, 05:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Lots of leftists were initially taken in by Hugo Chavez as well. Many of them were here on this board. This site used to have a whole cadre of Chavez defenders. They're pretty much silent now since he left Venezuela in ruins. It's called being wrong. It happens to everybody sometimes. It doesn't mean that you are wrong on everything or always working to get Republicans elected.

W_HAMILTON

(7,813 posts)
5. You thought he was smarter than that?
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jul 2019

Michael Moore was yucking it up with Julian Assange in the summer of 2016 as Assange and Wikileaks were coordinating with the Trump campaign to release hacked emails from Democrats.

I'm glad his terrible tweet about Mueller has helped to open people's eyes about the guy.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
6. Michael Moore....
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jul 2019

Is a useless lump of flesh wallowing in his own self-righteously inflated ego. Much like another so-called liberal pundit who was kicked off of air America for completely justifiable reasons. Both are useless.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
8. why would you think that ? he is the same person that told people to vote Nader so Bush
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:55 PM
Jul 2019

can be president.

dalton99a

(81,062 posts)
14. "A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush.'' - Michael Moore
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:00 PM
Jul 2019
THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE GREEN PARTY; In Nader Supporters' Math, Gore Equals Bush
By DAVID W. CHEN
OCT. 15, 2000

From the standing-room-only logjam near the stage to the nosebleed seats near the championship banners of the Knicks and Rangers, about 15,000 people of all ages, hair colors and political backgrounds filled Madison Square Garden on Friday night for the biggest rally yet supporting Ralph Nader's presidential bid. ...

Michael Moore, the filmmaker, lambasted the front-runners. ''A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush,'' he said. ''If they both believe in the same thing, wouldn't you want the original than the copy? Wouldn't you want Bush? Sirloin or hamburger? Which would you go for?''


https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/15/us/the-2000-campaign-the-green-party-in-nader-supporters-math-gore-equals-bush.html

JI7

(89,172 posts)
19. yup, same shit as ever. and he has never spoken as ugly as trump as he did Mueller
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:06 PM
Jul 2019

his so called anti trump comments are full of attacks on Democrats.

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
12. So, Moore has become another optics guy
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:57 PM
Jul 2019

Take in only what you saw, don't think about what you heard. Because what we heard was all negative for the Trumpster and his Republican enablers.

Time to look in the mirror, Mr. Moore.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
20. and when he went his"i told you so, Hillary would lose" tour after the election
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jul 2019

where he just looked really happy, he never mentioned the Russian attack on the election.

dalton99a

(81,062 posts)
29. +1. Michael Moore has never said one bad thing about Putin or Russian interference.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:24 PM
Jul 2019

It's very telling

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
39. Which is a very legitimate criticism of him that I completely agree with.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:31 PM
Jul 2019

Stick to points like that instead of hyperbolic crap.

dalton99a

(81,062 posts)
24. Michael Moore says the middle class needs to vote for Donald Trump
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:18 PM
Jul 2019

Speech given by Michael Moore on October 24, 2016 in Ohio

Transcript of speech given by Michael Moore on October 24, 2016 in Ohio

I know a lot of people in Michigan who are planning to vote for Trump. And they don’t necessarily like him that much, and they don’t necessarily agree with him.

They’re not racist and rednecks. They’re actually pretty decent people. And so I wanted to, after talking to a number of them, I wanted to write this.

Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of the Ford Motor executives and said, if you close these factories as you’re planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I’m going to put a 35-percent tariff on those cars when you send them back, and nobody’s going to buy them.

It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives, and it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, the “Brexit states”.

You live here in Ohio. You know what I’m talking about. Whether Trump means it or not is kind of irrelevant because he’s saying the things to people who are hurting.

And that’s why every beaten-down nameless forgotten working stiff who used to be part of what was called the middle class loves Trump. He is the human Molotov cocktail that they’ve been waiting for, the human hand grenade that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them.

And on November eight, election day, although they lost their jobs, although they’ve been foreclosed on by the bank, next came the divorce, and now the wife and kids are gone, the cars been reposed, they haven’t had a real vacation in years, they’re stuck with the shitty Obamacare Bronze Plan when you can’t even get a fucking percocet, they’ve essentially lost everything they have except one thing, the one thing that doesn’t cost them a cent and is guaranteed to them by the American Constitution: the right to vote.

They might be penniless. They might be homeless. They might be fucked over and fucked up. It doesn’t matter because it’s equalized on that day. A millionaire has the same number of votes as the person without a job: one. And there’s more of the former middle class than there are in the millionaire class.

So on November eight, the dispossessed will walk into the voting booth, be handed a ballot, close the curtain, and take that lever or felt pen or touch screen, and put a big fucking X in the box by the name of the man who has threatened to upend and overturn the very system that has ruined their lives: Donald J Trump.

They see that the elites who ruined their lives hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump. The media hates Trump, after they loved him and created him and now hate him. Thank you, media.

The enemy of my enemy is who I’m voting for on November eight.

Yes, on November eight, you, Joe Blow, Steve Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, Billy-Bob Blow, all the Blows get to blow up the whole goddamn system because it’s your right.

The Trump election is going to be the biggest fuck you ever recorded in human history.

And it will feel good.

Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
30. I stopped paying attention to Moore a long time ago
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:24 PM
Jul 2019

The man helped elect bush and defeat Al Gore. I have no use for this person

I was amused to see that his last film bombed at the box office. It seems that I am not only one who have no use for this person

 

silentEcho

(424 posts)
40. I was so excited to see Fahrenheit 911 and so very disappointed.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:33 PM
Jul 2019

He left out the really important factual information at a time the people wanted to be educated and had more an entertainment fluff piece. The only Moore movie I have seen. Really a poor, unhelpful job.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
45. Farenheit 9/11 discussed facts you rarely saw anywhere
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:41 PM
Jul 2019

It discussed Bush Saudi ties and their involvement in 9/11. You didn't see much of that at the time especially when Fox News & Bush were trying to blame it on Iraq.

 

silentEcho

(424 posts)
54. No it did not. I expected new info. That was the hype. Anyone following even a little, already knew
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:12 PM
Jul 2019

Everything in the movie, nothing new. Too much was downplayed or off point for entertainment. We could clearly see it was a fluff piece drama'ed in hype.

I wanted it to be something. But it was not. The only time in my adult life I put effort going to a movie theater, at night. I haven't done it since. Not my thing. All the effort and phhf. Not much of anything of sustenance.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
55. Only those paying close attention knew all those facts
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:17 PM
Jul 2019

The 24/7 news never mentioned it at the time. Even today there's never been much mention of it. The 9/11 families' lawsuit is rarely covered.

 

silentEcho

(424 posts)
56. 9/11, starting two wars, election theft. The people that were not paying attention are the ones
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:39 PM
Jul 2019

today that elected Trump and allow a disruption by Sanders.

You might want to think about that.

They didn't pay attention then (Nader and Sarandon) and they are not paying attention now. Too busy manufacturing there own illusion and it seems the top of that list is the discrimination of white men. I am really starting to see it all boil down to that. I got to tell you, Moore is one of our own, that has been voicing white male in his way, all of his career. A little bit of misogyny in his self righteous spiel.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
57. I voted for Sanders and would do so again
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jul 2019

One major reason is his position on Saudi Arabia. He ran dropped out & endorsed the candidate. I voted for Hillary Clinton but since I live in Arizona my vote didnt count (all the electoral votes went to Trump).

I'm not sure I understand the last paragraph. I don't believe there is discrimination against white men. I only watch his films and don't keep up with what he says day to day. I still respect Surandon & Moore for their opposition to Iraq war and the abuse they faced for it. It is sad to see them disliked as much as they are by the left but myself I voted for Hillary Clinton (I'm pretty sure so did Michael Moore).

 

MacDombles

(28 posts)
52. He is either...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:06 PM
Jul 2019

1. Incorrect and looking for attention

or


2. Correct and the hearings didn't go as most hoped.


Every single person who watched those hearings will come out with their own opinion based either on what actually happened, or what THEY wanted to see happen based on what they already believe. Just like reading the report. Since his opinion doesn't seem to appear to have the markings of someone who just follows the crowd, I will assume he is just being honest and his normal followers don't want to hear it. If a person actually read the report, then nothing in the hearing should have surprised them. No bombshells or new info came out. I wasn't swayed either way on the info in the report based on the hearing and I believe MM just said the same thing, only in a MM way. It may have been just simply an event that was a little over hyped and he saw it from the beginning, and wanted to post an "I told you so" to the world.

Stinky The Clown

(67,669 posts)
60. It was just before the New Year I had a post locked for slamming Moore.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 03:13 PM
Jul 2019

Now, seven months hence and he is seen for what he has become - unhelpful.

As someone said upthread, he was relevant 20 years ago.

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