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The pro-life party, ladies and gentlemen. (Original Post) kpete Aug 2019 OP
And repeat - BECAUSE it's necessary. This is NOT "pro-life." calimary Aug 2019 #1
Thank you. Ferrets are Cool Aug 2019 #7
I want to start spreading that framing. That MESSAGING. calimary Sep 2019 #45
I agree 100% with you. Ferrets are Cool Sep 2019 #46
I came to the conclusion... Newest Reality Aug 2019 #2
Pro-life is a myth. keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #9
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #43
Republicans are Planet Killers. That includes BILLIONS theophilus Aug 2019 #3
Why was he deported? Archae Aug 2019 #4
As I recall DFW Aug 2019 #10
Did he commit any crimes linked to his behavior problems? alfredo Aug 2019 #13
It has been a few days since I read the article DFW Aug 2019 #14
We have lost our heart alfredo Aug 2019 #15
That would be a brutally accurate assessment DFW Aug 2019 #17
And their reactions range from humor to horror. alfredo Aug 2019 #42
Poor guy was also a schizophrenic. The cause of his "misbehavior" secondwind Aug 2019 #36
+1 ICE might as well have shot him in the head. bronxiteforever Aug 2019 #19
That is true enough DFW Aug 2019 #30
My hands were clenched in fists of rage struggle4progress Aug 2019 #5
+1 bronxiteforever Aug 2019 #12
Christianity in practice. keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #6
What does this have to do with Christianity? N/T Jedi Guy Aug 2019 #16
Super-Christian Trump. keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #20
So it has nothing to do with Christianity, then. N/T Jedi Guy Aug 2019 #23
Political Christians rather than Christians of faith. keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #25
Trump claims the mantle of Christianity when it's quite plain he's anything but. Jedi Guy Aug 2019 #27
Yep. That's Christianity as practiced by many millions of people in America. keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #31
Evangelicals are (purportedly) the largest religious group in the US stopdiggin Aug 2019 #33
Chaldeans Nasruddin Aug 2019 #24
I don't think that's what the person I replied to meant with his/her comment. N/T Jedi Guy Aug 2019 #26
"Love your neighbor as you love yourself" (Leviticus 19:18) struggle4progress Aug 2019 #29
I will NEVER FORGET Jimmy and I will never not be disgusted and ENRAGED. nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #8
Pro-control, pro-white male, pro-misogyny, pro-bigotry. Never pro-life. Guilded Lilly Aug 2019 #11
To quote one my favorite Congress critters: RVN VET71 Aug 2019 #32
You're so right, and this is Ronald Reagan's America FakeNoose Aug 2019 #35
I'll spare you my very negative feelings about undoing the damage. RVN VET71 Aug 2019 #38
Yes I share your fears FakeNoose Aug 2019 #40
When this administration aquamarina Aug 2019 #18
Either that or send him to The ICJ in The Hague A HERETIC I AM Aug 2019 #39
His blood is on Trump's hands. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #21
PRO-LIFE: LOVE THE FETUS, HATE THE CHILD. BamaRefugee Aug 2019 #22
Until the child is old enough for the military. Then they are loved again, until they are veterans.. usaf-vet Aug 2019 #41
This is the same party that is readying to deport kids who are receiving life saving healthcare NOW. usaf-vet Aug 2019 #28
They are probably also stopping sick kids from entering. secondwind Aug 2019 #37
Murdered by TrumpGOP. May the poor man rest in peace. Hekate Aug 2019 #34
kicking for visibilty Niagara Aug 2019 #44

calimary

(80,700 posts)
1. And repeat - BECAUSE it's necessary. This is NOT "pro-life."
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 10:30 AM
Aug 2019

If you claim to be “pro-life,” then you REALLY better mean it. You don’t get to tweezer out the whole embryo thing and leave it at that.

You better be foaming at the mouth about the reckless wanton destruction of the planet! That blessed orbiting home of ALL life.

AND all those children in cages.

AND all those refugees seeking their own “right to life” in a safe place where they can provide that safety for their families. THOSE lives count, too! You CANNOT discount or ignore THAT life just because you don’t like the color of the outer wrapping.

You DON’T get to tweezer out a highly selective definition of “life” when you absolutely disregard all other aspects of life - including human life.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
45. I want to start spreading that framing. That MESSAGING.
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 09:18 AM
Sep 2019

I don’t see why we shouldn’t do what kkkarl rove did: attack them at their “strength.” This whole “pro-life” canard.

They only care about a mass of differentiating cells inside the most intimate and private parts of a woman’s body.

But they care NOTHING about what’s been done to rape and otherwise defile the same ecosystem that supports ALL life of EVERY kind and classification.

NOPE. I’m NOT letting them do that.

It’s NOT okay.

They DON’T get to be selective. If life is sacred, then ALL life and ALL that supports it is just as sacred.

And that’s THAT.

You either support all life or you don’t. Period.

That means you can’t support the death penalty.

You have to be against guns.

You have to release all those children from those cages. Provide them FULL health care and proper immunizations for the flu.

You have to provide them sanitary conditions and decent shelter and plenty of good nourishing food. That whole “ALL Life Is Sacred” thing, dontchaknow. And you better be ready to restore them to parents and relatives so THEIR life has full support. You’re not allowed to throw them away or kick them to the corner just because they don’t look like you, or speak the language you do. That “ALL Life Is Sacred” thing applies ACROSS THE BOARD. That means THEM, TOO. THEIR lives.
THEIR “Life.”

“No exceptions” means exactly that.

AND that goes for all the Life in the ecosystem - which supports every living thing on this planet. You can’t just send the bulldozers in. Or dump your shit anywhere you feel like. Or force toxic and otherwise life-threatening policies to be implemented. Sorry. It doesn’t work that way and you don’t get to do that. You don’t get to pick and choose because somebody doesn’t have the same skin color you do, or doesn’t sound like you or comes from someplace else. Not if you REALLY mean that “ALL Life Is Sacred.”

I’m reminded of the phrase “cafeteria Catholic.” Which describes someone who claims to be a Catholic but is only willing to accept or adhere to selected parts of Catholicism they like. Not the whole thing. Just little pieces of it. Well, these selective “pro-lifers” are like that. “Cafeteria pro-lifers.” They pick and choose what life is worthy of honor and protection and what life can be ignored, dismissed, negated, or destroyed outright.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
2. I came to the conclusion...
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 10:58 AM
Aug 2019

...that the euphemism, "pro-life" is only applicable up to the point of parturition. It has no other demonstrable meaning even if I am just making a generalization. It would seem to be an inclusive term--a package deal--but, in practice is comes down to a fetus fetish and a diversion like the other spells the ReFascist Party, (and their bedfellows, the Evangelical power mongers) utilizes to frame issues for their marks. Talk about making a deal with the Devil and ignoring the details, but then, who reads the license and terms before they click, "agree"?

We could also apply that to "family values" in the sense that, after losing your preferred fetus status, your family is now subject to the perverse Zen of the misused phrase, "pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps" which actually means you are stupid for trying to do an impossible thing. It's a pejorative putdown for dumb asses. Using ideas like "family values" bears little or no resemblance to the reality of it or even the religious doctrine that is supposed to be a source for those values. There is a disconnect and a cognitive dissonance here that is creating a lot of friction.

That's all completely obvious to me, but it seems that words are still some sort of magic spell that lies can be hidden with and actions covered up with a verbal prophylactic of deceit and manipulation. The wolf is wearing sheep's clothing and the fox keeps getting elected to be guardian of the hen house and the ignore-ance continues unabated.

And...I am very saddened by what our government did to Jimmy. I think we can all relate if we were born and raised here. It is not at all difficult to imagine how shocking and tumultuous being deported to a foreign country that is not yours and you know little about could be. This is a travesty and a shameful way for this country to act. Some of us hang our heads and weep. This is very, very wrong.

There is some cruel and unusual punishment afoot and it has a horrendous, stomach-turning stench. Can you smell it?

keithbvadu2

(36,371 posts)
9. Pro-life is a myth.
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 11:45 AM
Aug 2019

Pro-life is a myth.

The supposed pro-lifers cared naught when the state of Texas (republican gov, republican Prez) deliberately killed living baby Sun Hudson against the mother's wishes because he was an inconvenience to the state.

It is not a matter of life to the supposed pro-lifers.

It is a matter of control.

theophilus

(3,750 posts)
3. Republicans are Planet Killers. That includes BILLIONS
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 11:19 AM
Aug 2019

of women, men, children, babies, and all the unborn. Add to that millions of innocent species that are not human. How is that for murder? They take the prize. The DEATH prize.

Archae

(46,262 posts)
4. Why was he deported?
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 11:28 AM
Aug 2019

Besides being from Iraq, that is...

And how did he die?

(NY Daily News says my "quota" is up for the month...)

DFW

(54,059 posts)
10. As I recall
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 12:02 PM
Aug 2019

He had behavioral problems. He was a diabetic and could not get life-sustaining medicine in Iraq. As he spoke no Arabic, he was dumped in a country where he knew no one and didn't speak the language. He had no chance.

DFW

(54,059 posts)
14. It has been a few days since I read the article
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 12:26 PM
Aug 2019

There may have been some misdemeanors. These days, it appears they don't need much in the way of excuses.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
19. +1 ICE might as well have shot him in the head.
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 12:32 PM
Aug 2019

A diabetic, Paranoid schizophrenic and a member of a persecuted minority is dropped in a foreign country that persecutes his religion. He doesn’t speak the language. How is he supposed to get healthcare and who would want to help him?

He contacted home from Iraq and said that he had been homeless and vomiting because he was unable to access insulin and could not speak the language in Iraq. He said he had been kicked while sleeping on the street.


In the US Aldaoud admitted to stealing power tools from a stranger’s garage.According to CBS Detroit, Aldaoud, whom police described as homeless, was stopped by police after stealing three cordless drills.

“He was a member of the Chaldean minority group,” his lawyer said. “He was a paranoid schizophrenic. His mental health was the primary reason for his legal issues that led to his deportation.”

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/jimmy-aldaoud/

If he was a white mass shooter, the media would be following the GOP trope of the need for mental healthcare.

struggle4progress

(118,041 posts)
5. My hands were clenched in fists of rage
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 11:28 AM
Aug 2019

No angel born in hell could brake that Satan spell
And as the flames climbed high into the night to light the sacrificial rite I saw Satan laughing with delight



There's a special sulphur vent for the architects and enforcers of such policies

Jedi Guy

(3,171 posts)
27. Trump claims the mantle of Christianity when it's quite plain he's anything but.
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 12:48 PM
Aug 2019

From his policies to his personal behaviors, there's nothing Christian about him. The fact that the evangelicals close their eyes to his bullshit makes it clear that their faith is a sham.

That says far more about them than it does about Christianity. There have always been people willing to use religion for their personal/political motives.

keithbvadu2

(36,371 posts)
31. Yep. That's Christianity as practiced by many millions of people in America.
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 12:55 PM
Aug 2019

Yep. That's Christianity as practiced by many millions of people in America.

stopdiggin

(11,095 posts)
33. Evangelicals are (purportedly) the largest religious group in the US
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 01:05 PM
Aug 2019

not sure if calling their faith a "sham" really changes the facts on the ground much. Plain truth .. a LOT of Christians have no problem with Trump's immigration policies.

RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
32. To quote one my favorite Congress critters:
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 01:03 PM
Aug 2019

"It's about the Benjamins, baby!" Always has been. Always will be.

Where there is money, there are exceptions to the anti-abortion rules, to all rules. Even a filthy scum bucket like Jeffrey Epstein gets what amounts to a free pass until his second time around when his abominable behavior became too much for even the plutocrats he entertained to bear.

Where money is lacking, there are only faceless faces beneath Orwell's ever stamping boot.

FakeNoose

(32,356 posts)
35. You're so right, and this is Ronald Reagan's America
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 01:09 PM
Aug 2019

This is exactly what Reagan started 40 years ago. We're here now, even though he's long gone.
How many years will it take us to undo the damage? Where do we even begin?


RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
38. I'll spare you my very negative feelings about undoing the damage.
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 01:28 PM
Aug 2019

Suffice it to say I am not particularly sorry I'm 74 and near the end of my road.

As Trump's instability becomes more and more obvious and dangerous, I begin to seriously fear bloodshed come 2020, bloodshed whether Trump "wins" or is defeated. And I despair the future my grandson will have to live in and navigate, a future on a ruined planet run by authoritarian, insatiably greedy plutocrats and psychopaths.

FakeNoose

(32,356 posts)
40. Yes I share your fears
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 01:43 PM
Aug 2019

I have a grandson too, and I tremble to think what he'll be facing in 15 or 20 years. Chump will be gone next year but the RWNJs will still be here. I want to believe there will be no violence next year, but who knows after that?

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
18. When this administration
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 12:31 PM
Aug 2019

Is finally over, the next president should charge Stephen Miller with pre-meditated first degree murder. I’m not a fan of capital punishment but if you commit murder in the name of the state then I don’t have a problem with the state executing you. He is a monster through and through.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,322 posts)
39. Either that or send him to The ICJ in The Hague
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 01:35 PM
Aug 2019

Put him on trial in an international criminal court, just like he deserves.

Make an example out of him.

Stephen Miller deserves nothing less than life in prison for making public policy from his own hatreds and bigotry, public policy that has caused the death or serious injury of thousands.

I've said this before, but Miller will be a future college case study on how such an incredibly horrible person can quietly (and not so quietly, for that matter) rise through the ranks of American politics and find himself as one of the chief whisperers to the head of state.

Someone, somewhere along the way should have put a stop to him and said "No Stephen, this is not for you. Go sell used cars in Alabama."

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
21. His blood is on Trump's hands.
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 12:37 PM
Aug 2019

And there had better be some fucking trials and criminal charges for these people at every level. Crimes like sending this poor guy 'back' to the native country of his parents when he didn't even speak the language was a CRIMINAL ACT. I have bookmarked this, because I'm thinking we are going to need a foundation to form, after sanity once again prevails, that is like the Simon Wiesenthal Center, that chases down these criminals, assembles evidence for trial and sees they get justice. Because these are war crimes.

And I say war crimes because this is a 'war' of hate, racism, bigotry and white supremacy against any shred of decency and morality this nation has. They have warred against people of color too damned long.

usaf-vet

(6,095 posts)
41. Until the child is old enough for the military. Then they are loved again, until they are veterans..
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 01:47 PM
Aug 2019

.. especially disabled veterans. Then they are liabilities.

The pro-life republicans only want the political issue to please their base.

usaf-vet

(6,095 posts)
28. This is the same party that is readying to deport kids who are receiving life saving healthcare NOW.
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 12:49 PM
Aug 2019

Their bullsh*t line that they care about life all life is just that bullsh*t.

They were warned that they were signing a death warrant by sending Jimmy Al-Daoud to Iraq. A place he had never been to and didn't speak the language.

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