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Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:12 AM

Suddenly Ken Starr doesn't like impeachment so much

Suddenly Ken Starr doesn’t like impeachment so much
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/29/suddenly-ken-starr-doesnt-like-impeachment-so-much/#comments-wrapper

Is there anything Republicans won’t say to make impeachment go away?

They attack the patriotism of decorated veterans. They decry rules that they devised. And they discard long-held principles as though the past never happened.

Comes now Ken Starr, responsible more than any other person on Earth for the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, to tell us what a dreadful thing impeachment is.

“It just seems we need to ratchet the conversation down because of the evils of impeachment,” the former independent counsel said during an interview with conservative writer Byron York released on Monday. “Impeachment has become a terrible, terrible thorn in the side of the American democracy and the conduct of American government since Watergate. . . . Let’s at least have a reasoned and deliberate conversation about some lesser kind of response.”

Starr thinks Congress should consider censuring President Trump, and he says Republicans in 1998 should have considered “whether something short of impeachment would be appropriate.”

Now he tells us? He didn’t mention “censure” once in his referral to Congress in 1998 laying out “substantial and credible information that President Clinton committed acts that may constitute grounds for an impeachment,” nor in his November 1998 testimony. Then, Starr argued passionately that Clinton’s actions fit the “high-crime-and-misdemeanor” standard.

Starr wasn’t finished. During this week’s interview, he also absolved Trump of guilt, both for obstruction of justice in the Mueller inquiry and for wrongdoing in the Ukraine quid pro quo, saying Trump’s “intent” was pure. Starr protested that Trump “is being held to a remarkable standard” in which we are “over-criminalizing the conduct of the business of government.”

Seriously? From the man who pushed to impeach a president for lying about oral sex in a civil deposition? Back then, Starr rejected the argument that Clinton’s “intent” in lying was to avoid embarrassment, not to perjure himself.

Starr, still going, suggested this week that impeachment is a plot by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to seize the presidency. A “conflict of interest is that the speaker of the House is guiding this process when she is third in succession,” he argued. “She will do well if she can have the elimination of Donald Trump from office and then Vice President Pence somehow.”
Somehow?

The brazenness of Starr’s historical revision was largely lost amid a profusion of equally outrageous attempts to excuse Trump.

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Reply Suddenly Ken Starr doesn't like impeachment so much (Original post)
dajoki Oct 2019 OP
dchill Oct 2019 #1
The_Counsel Oct 2019 #10
lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #21
PJMcK Oct 2019 #2
Goodheart Oct 2019 #3
MagickMuffin Oct 2019 #4
True Blue American Oct 2019 #9
Eyeball_Kid Oct 2019 #5
JHB Oct 2019 #6
True Blue American Oct 2019 #7
Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #8
still_one Oct 2019 #11
calimary Oct 2019 #12
Firestorm49 Oct 2019 #13
NoMoreRepugs Oct 2019 #14
EndlessWire Oct 2019 #20
kag Oct 2019 #15
Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #16
gratuitous Oct 2019 #17
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #18
Gothmog Oct 2019 #19
struggle4progress Oct 2019 #22
EndlessWire Oct 2019 #23
moondust Oct 2019 #24
crickets Oct 2019 #25
Volaris Oct 2019 #32
dem4decades Oct 2019 #26
Aaron Pereira Oct 2019 #27
Luciferous Oct 2019 #28
maxsolomon Oct 2019 #29
Vinca Oct 2019 #30
MarcA Oct 2019 #31
applegrove Oct 2019 #33
BlueWI Oct 2019 #34

Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:16 AM

1. Who knew Ken Starr would turn out to be...

...a political hack?

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Response to dchill (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:40 AM

10. Everyone.

It's just that only half of us would actually admit to it.

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Response to dchill (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 03:40 PM

21. Hey Kennie, remember when you prosecuted a blowjob?

Dump has plenty of those on his record too. STFU.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:16 AM

2. Starr is a Republican

That defines him as a hypocrite.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:22 AM

3. One of the most pathetic, laughable, execrable, despicable persons in American political history.

A pervert and voyeur, too.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:25 AM

4. Ken Starr you don't get a say


Now go back under your rock. We don't need your input.

But good to know you back the unelected/undemocratic pResident.

Par for the course.

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Response to MagickMuffin (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:39 AM

9. Tarrifs was fired tomorrow the University because he ignored

Sexual arrassment charges.

Read something funny this morning. CNN hired Sean Duffy because they are running out of Republicans to defend Trump!

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:28 AM

5. "Impeachment" was not on the agenda when Obama was Prez. Why?

Because Obama ran a tight ship.

Starr should be lamenting the poor choice that the GOP made in nominating the Orange Trainwreck. He's diverting blame, but it was HIS GOP, and the GRU, that gave us this nightmare.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:33 AM

6. Trump's being held to a remarkable standard, all right. Remarkably LOW.

Does anybody have a current tally of "if any Democrat did this..." events?

These were people who were ready to draw up articles of impeachment for President Hillary Clinton even before she would have been sworn in.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:34 AM

7. Siss

On you Pister, or something like that

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:37 AM

8. True, but...

... Mr Starr is mainly an Oral Sex Detective. I'm sure he thinks this impeachment sucks, in a bad way...



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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:42 AM

11. Perhaps Starr can elaborate how he IGNORED the rape complaints when he was at Baylor

Another hypocritical scumbag


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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:47 AM

12. Well Boo-fucking-Hoo!

YOU built this, Kenny-boy. And now your Frankenstein monster is banging and growling and snarling at YOUR door.

You went all-in on impeachment-ANYTHING. You dug through their underwear drawers and bellybutton lint and drain pipes looking for ANYTHING you could hang them on. You were at it for four years and I think some 70 million dollars before you came up with something that you thought might stick: a stained blue dress belonging to a lovesick presidential groupie. Who’d breathlessly written all her friends back home that she’d gone to Washington to get her “presidential kneepads.” Her words. Who was of age. Over 21. And of sound mind, even if not-so-sound motivation.

You were able to nail him for lying about a sex act with a consenting adult.

That’s a whole universe away from the amounts and magnitude of high crimes, misdemeanors, and wholesale deceit that THIS creep, now, has repeatedly and consistently and willfully perpetrated. There’s literally no comparison.

There is NO comparison. Except maybe an attempt to equate an ant hill in the back yard with Olympus Mons.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:52 AM

13. We wouldn't be in this mess if not for Trump's actions.

This is not a frivolous action. It’s warranted and necessary. This president, as may have been mentioned occasionally on DU, is the biggest threat to this nation in our history.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:15 PM

14. I'm reasonably certain "Ken Starr" means SHITSTAIN

in some ancient language.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 03:37 PM

20. LOL! n/t

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:22 PM

15. I despise Ken Starr.

And one of the things that makes this whole mess so frustrating is that Starr got Clinton impeached for lying about a blow job. The then-holier-than-fucking-everyone GOP congressmen were "shocked, SHOCKED" that our president would misbehave with women.

Now, of course, so many R's have been outed as philanderers and rapists (and, of course, the biggest sin of all...homosexuals ) that they HAVE to ignore it. So when their own presidential nominee is FAMOUS for molesting, assaulting, and raping women and girls, they call US snowflakes for calling it out.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:29 PM

16. Republicans, now Russiapublicans, have never forgiven for Watergate

The vendetta began with Watergate and escalated to the point of reinventing the party. The result is today's Russiapublican coalition of extremists, willing to maintain power at almost any cost.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:31 PM

17. "Impeachment has become a terrible, terrible thorn in the side"

Says former proprietor of Kenny's Thorn Emporium.

Hypocrisy much, "Judge" Starr?

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 02:19 PM

18. Proving he's nothing but a right wing hack

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Wed Oct 30, 2019, 02:20 PM

19. Starr is a low life and Human Scum

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 03:42 PM

22. "Is it really so wrong to sell our country to the Russians? I wish somebody had told me that!

Because, you know, in my circles that sort of thing happens all the time and nobody gives it a second thought"

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 03:43 PM

23. "The Evils of Impeachment" ???

OMG, what is wrong with these people?? Impeachment is, apparently, the only means we have to oust a budding dictator. Except for the never-mentioned solution. Which, maybe we don't need, because we can impeach the rat!

Impeach Trump!

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 03:57 PM

24. Censure and move on?

Where was this great witch hunter in 1998?

"Censure and move on" (now MoveOn) was appropriate in that case of a strictly private, consensual matter where there were no abuses of power, self-enrichment, or threats to national security involved.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 04:47 PM

25. Take it up with the Constitution, Kenny

Along with wanting to join in on all the impeachment pooh-poohing, the real point he wanted to slip in was this:

A “conflict of interest is that the speaker of the House is guiding this process when she is third in succession,”


He's telegraphing how weak Pence's position is. He sees the downfall coming, but because he is just another 'party before country' Republican, he just. can't. stand. it.

Nobody else made the choices that led these clowns to destroy themselves. Nobody forced them to compromise themselves or their country, and anyone who currently finds themselves in a situation where they now feel forced to continue these crimes has put themselves there. Disentangling the web of criminals and their offenses is all being handled aboveboard and by the book.

One more time: if you don't like it, take it up with the Constitution, Kenny. Better yet, sit down and be quiet while the adults handle this mess.

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Response to crickets (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:45 PM

32. Yeah that was a fucking BREATHTAKING statement in how inane it was lol...

I'd bet my next paycheck tho, it would be just fine n dandy if trump were a Democrat, or even if Nancy Pelosi were a republican n trump had to be impeached heh.

I'm sure THOSE THINGS wouldn't be thorns, AT ALL lol.

Oh well. Ken Starr, meet the US CONSTITUTION, ...Now with Thorns.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 04:54 PM

26. What an asshat. As if we didn't know that already. Monica tweeted a comment that was hilarious.

Too bad Hillary is restricted on the subject, I'm sure she would rip him a new asshole too.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:24 PM

27. I seem to recall him repeating the "rule of law" phrase over and over again.

Didn't matter how minor the offense, nobody was above the law and it had to be rigorously enforced or we would slide into anarchy. Surprise! It was all bullshit.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:27 PM

28. Republicans only like things that benefit them.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:31 PM

29. Transparently disingenuous.

He knows that we know that he knows that we know he's absolutely bullshitting.

It doesn't matter to them ensconced in their billionaire-funded think tanks; fill the media space with a steady stream of objections, innuendos, and slanders. Give Fox fresh meat every day, and eventually something will fix in the mind of the addled and gullible.

It's been their tactic for decades. Manufacture alternate truths; win on propaganda.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:41 PM

30. Maybe Ken would be happier if we were impeaching Don for the dozens of complaints of sexual abuse

that have been directed toward him by women young and old.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:44 PM

31. Remember the Baylor sexual abuse outbreak earlier this decade.

Starr was President and Chancellor at the time and the Board of Regents
removed him from the former and he resigned in disgrace from the latter due
to his mishandling and cover-ups. He even left his cushy law professorship. That
he is lacking in moral character is obvious. Wonder if some $$$ interests have
some other info on him.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:28 AM

33. He said he regretted impeachment or the special counsel investigations

of Bill Clinton right when George W. Bushes WH was under fore for 9/11 or Iraq or something. Just like republicans with the deficit: one set of rules for republican presidents; one set of rules for Democratic administrations.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:07 AM

34. Wow.

Double standard is an understatement.

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