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Sat Dec 21, 2019, 01:39 PM

A concerning text I received last evening from my gardener friend:

Last edited Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:28 PM - Edit history (2)

Found this on Twitter: Posted by a teacher in Paris named Ben See.
Source web site is ecological-emergency.org


1. Global crop failures hit at 1.5- 2C.
2. Billions die at 3C.
3. Most humans dead at 4C.
4. Earth uninhabitable at 6C.
5. We're heading for 1.5C by 2025.
6. We're heading for 2C by 2035.
7. We're heading for 4- 6C by 2075.

And this morning in the Washington Post an article on whether the tipping point has been reached in the Amazon.

We humans may be an 'intelligent' species but we as a whole are a stupid lot at times. Where is our Leadership?

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Reply A concerning text I received last evening from my gardener friend: (Original post)
c-rational Dec 2019 OP
magicarpet Dec 2019 #1
Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #2
WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #3
USALiberal Dec 2019 #35
flyingfysh Dec 2019 #4
c-rational Dec 2019 #9
c-rational Dec 2019 #30
TwilightZone Dec 2019 #5
erronis Dec 2019 #16
wryter2000 Dec 2019 #29
Disaffected Dec 2019 #23
bahrbearian Dec 2019 #6
safeinOhio Dec 2019 #7
roamer65 Dec 2019 #13
keithbvadu2 Dec 2019 #17
brush Dec 2019 #8
FirstLight Dec 2019 #10
roamer65 Dec 2019 #12
FirstLight Dec 2019 #31
roamer65 Dec 2019 #32
roamer65 Dec 2019 #11
calimary Dec 2019 #14
roamer65 Dec 2019 #15
erronis Dec 2019 #19
roamer65 Dec 2019 #20
SunSeeker Dec 2019 #18
PatrickforO Dec 2019 #21
roamer65 Dec 2019 #22
CanonRay Dec 2019 #24
tecelote Dec 2019 #25
wendyb-NC Dec 2019 #27
bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #26
BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2019 #28
Ilsa Dec 2019 #33
appalachiablue Dec 2019 #34
c-rational Dec 2019 #36

Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 01:44 PM

1. Depositing their ill begotten gains in their off shore secret bank accounts.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 01:44 PM

2. These numbers are silly

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 01:45 PM

3. Say more?

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 08:46 PM

35. Thanks for your detailed response! nt

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:08 PM

4. Do you have a better source?

"Twitter" as a source is awfully vague. Is there a link to a scientific paper?

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Response to flyingfysh (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:19 PM

9. Will check.

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Response to flyingfysh (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:22 PM

30. Added source and web site.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:08 PM

5. Eh, no.

The forecasts for temp increases may be correct, but the conclusions seem pretty unlikely.

For example, there was a lot of life on earth 50 million years ago when the average temp was +14C vs. modern averages. Some of that life is still around in various forms today and has persisted through significant swings in temperature. Life is pretty resilient as a whole.

Temp data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#Overall_view

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:28 PM

16. Thanks for a bit of fact-checking here. The Earth will survive quite nicely, thank you but

humankind may need to go through a die-off cycle and come back - hopefully improved.

A cycle like that may be 10 to 100 million years. The best way to help the next go-round survive is to leave permanent examples of our stupidities. Not sure how to do that - perhaps space debris?

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Response to erronis (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:38 PM

29. The planet will survive no matter what

The question is what will survive on it

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:44 PM

23. Hopefully but,

the big difference here is that the expected temperature increases are occurring over a much briefer time interval (decades instead of thousands or millions of years). Gradual temperature increases/decreases give species a much better chance of successfully adapting (evolving) to the changes. This won't happen with what is happening now and mass extinctions (and maybe including humans) are pretty much inevitable.

Getting old sucks but sometimes I'm glad about it.....

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:12 PM

6. K&R

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:15 PM

7. It was almost 40 years ago,

I was listening to Allan Watts on radio. He was comparing humans to yeast.
If you introduce yeast to a sweet environment like wine or other juice with a little added sugar, the yeast will do 3 things. One eat, two poop and three reproduce. This is all good and fine until the liquid reaches about 7 or 8% alcohol. They take in the sugar and then poop out the alcohol. At that point all of the yeast die.

Kind of like what's going on now.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:14 PM

13. Humans are like viruses.

Evolutionary similarities there are.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:29 PM

17. Matrix virus scene

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:16 PM

8. They're worried about corps making profits even if their business model...

hurts the environment.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:09 PM

10. It's terrifying, and a grim reality

I seriously don't know how my kids will survive in this world ...the next 20 years are going to get narly really fast

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:12 PM

12. In honesty, most won't survive.

These projection exclude the major wars that will be in play as well.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:47 PM

31. Thur...so very horrific...

I wish I had a time machine... One of the first things I would do is go back and replace the fossil-fuel industry with HEMP

...and maybe take out all the rich MFers who sold our collective souls to make OIL such a huge industry...

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 07:35 PM

32. Population growth has been definitely on the back of the oil boom.

When we either run out, or we put enough of that carbon back into the atmosphere the human race will be in for the roughest ride in our history.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:11 PM

11. Glad I'm in my mid 50's.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:16 PM

14. Mid-60s here. I hope I'm gone before then.

Otherwise it would sentence me to a death of a broken heart.

Even so, while we still can, we should keep trying to do what we can.

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Response to calimary (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:22 PM

15. I see what's happening, calimary. It IS sad.

One simple example of it. I watch garbage day in my area. Whereas, I put mine out about once a month, everyone else cans are brimming full just about every week. That represents carbon footprint. The handwriting is on the wall.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:30 PM

19. I've had a good life. But my kids are in the middle of theirs and their children will bear the brunt

I can't feel good about just leaping off this mortal coil knowing what I'm leaving.

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Response to erronis (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:32 PM

20. I have had no children...at least that I know of...lol.

I am glad of it at this point.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:29 PM

18. I fear my 16 year old son will not die of old age.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:36 PM

21. Our leadership has been seduced by the lust for wealth and power.

This capitalist system we have now, complete with its doctrine of the primacy of the shareholder, is the root cause of our blindness as a species.

Until we get over greed and selfishness, we will be in peril.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:43 PM

22. Australia and Southern Africa will be the leading edge of the change.

2.5 million miles closer to the Sun during its summer, it will be the harbinger of whats to come for the Northern Hemisphere.

What will save some people in the southern half of South America are the Andes. They will give reprieve to some.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 04:02 PM

24. "Where is our leadership?"

Depositing their oil company checks.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 04:23 PM

25. It's not God that I fear...

It's Mother Nature.

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Response to tecelote (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 04:36 PM

27. Yup.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 04:42 PM

28. World's on fire; we're running around with our hair on fire.

What else would you expect of our species? 😞

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 07:39 PM

33. There is a lot of fake information posted on social media to draw

in followers. Then they start turning the screws to play pro-trump mind games. It's putin's strategy. I don't know if the Parisian teacher is real, but I won't believe it unless a source is cited.

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Response to c-rational (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 08:38 PM

34. *POST THIS IN THE E/E, ENVIRON. & ENERGY GROUP, SEE IF HATRACK OR

OTHERS CAN VERIFY THE INFO.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 09:40 PM

36. I took a look at the website and it appears reputable, however I will take your advice.. Thanks.

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