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Roger Stone got sentence enhancements. I KNOW a pardon is coming for him and Manafort. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Feb 2020 OP
Fine. Let Trump pardon him. democrattotheend Feb 2020 #1
And probably Flynn Buckeyeblue Feb 2020 #2
I suspect it's Barr's wet dream myself (nt) mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #4
Initially yes. I'm not so sure about now. Buckeyeblue Feb 2020 #10
The silver lining of that dark cloud of injustice is that pardoning them could bite Trump in the ass RockRaven Feb 2020 #3
These pardons can. be construed as obstruction of justice, per Barb McQuaid. Zoonart Feb 2020 #5
There is that too. Even if they cannot be undone, the fact that they were done at all could be RockRaven Feb 2020 #6
This! Zoonart Feb 2020 #8
And McQuaid knows of what she speaks. Wellstone ruled Feb 2020 #7
Stone will try for another trial Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #9

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
1. Fine. Let Trump pardon him.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:00 PM
Feb 2020

What is not ok is Trump trying to influence the sentencing and exert undue influence over the DOJ. The constitution provides him an option if he doesn't like the sentence - to pardon him. And voters can evaluate him on it when they go to the polls in November, assuming he does it before the election. Otherwise it's part of how people judge his legacy, as it is for every president.

Buckeyeblue

(5,491 posts)
2. And probably Flynn
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:03 PM
Feb 2020

He'll take care of all three at once. It will send a signal--do whatever it takes to get me reelected and I will pardon you.

Gloves are off.

I suspect Barr will probably quit here pretty soon.

RockRaven

(14,782 posts)
3. The silver lining of that dark cloud of injustice is that pardoning them could bite Trump in the ass
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:10 PM
Feb 2020

because if the pardons are sufficiently expansive, and you believe that Trump/Barr will be gone in 2021, then those pardons take away one of their biggest excuses to refuse to testify against others in Trumpland including the Big Cheeto himself -- i.e. 5th Amendment protection against self-incrimination.

If they don't have a valid reason, yet still refuse to answer questions, they can be jailed by the judge until they decide to answer (remember Judith Miller?). And of course, fresh perjury in those circumstances is also prosecutable.

RockRaven

(14,782 posts)
6. There is that too. Even if they cannot be undone, the fact that they were done at all could be
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:16 PM
Feb 2020

a crime on Trump's part (and/or other co-conspirators like, say, if Jared took a bribe in exchange for advising Dolt45 to pardon someone).

Not unlike firing Comey or others. Yes the POTUS has the authority to perform that action. But doing so for a corrupt reason/in a corrupt manner can be criminal.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
9. Stone will try for another trial
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:36 PM
Feb 2020

Claiming bias because of the juror who blogged about trump. At least I haven’t heard that she tweeted about stone.

Not a lawyer but I wouldn’t think that would normally work unless they asked about it and she lied.

The judge is likely to deny if those are the facts in my semi worthless opinion.

The problem is Stone will appeal and the government will have to argue against it. I don’t expect Barr’s doj to put up much of a fight. If a new trial is granted will the prosecute vigorously or just go through the motions.

My bet is trump lets stone go through a fake new trial rather than pardoning him. Speculation is fun.

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