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Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:19 PM Feb 2020

Today Stock Market Dropped 4.42%, In 1987 the Stock Market Dropped. 22.6% in one day.

Yes, today's drop totaled more points than 1988, but please put things into perspective. Also, the market was at a record high for the last couple of weeks. Will it get worse? Maybe, probably. It is the future. I don't know, if you do, let me know. That drop was on October 19, 1987

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS494US495&q=1988+stock+market+crash#spf=1582842077094

From the link above:

"Black Monday is the name commonly attached to the large stock market crash of October 19, 1987. In the United States, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell exactly 508 points (22.6%). This was the largest one-day percentage drop in history. ... Worldwide losses are estimated at $1.7 trillion US dollars."

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Today Stock Market Dropped 4.42%, In 1987 the Stock Market Dropped. 22.6% in one day. (Original Post) Stuart G Feb 2020 OP
OK. That's like saying a broken arm is bad, but not as bad as a beheading. Squinch Feb 2020 #1
No, there was another crash in 1987 LisaM Feb 2020 #6
No, I'm wrong. You are right. The 29 event went on for days and the total % was larger. Squinch Feb 2020 #10
Thank You for pointing that out. In 29, the real effect came later. Stuart G Feb 2020 #11
Back to back days in 1929 NewJeffCT Feb 2020 #12
If this is what it takes to rid America of this piece of shit - so be it. The market will come back, walkingman Feb 2020 #2
Yes, I think that the market will come back. If this helps to "rid America of this piece of shit" Stuart G Feb 2020 #4
Not sure the millions who lose their jobs and homes would agree MichMan Feb 2020 #17
Stock market drop isn't the same as sham housing market collapse.🙄 we can do it Feb 2020 #18
A large and sustained stock market drop would cause the valuations of companies to Squinch Feb 2020 #32
Certainly hope nothing like that - if it is I fear we do not have the ability to come back like walkingman Feb 2020 #21
In 1988 we elected Bush to replace Reagan Johonny Feb 2020 #19
Your right - I blame the last 40 years on Reagan and the continuation of his policies. Bush was a walkingman Feb 2020 #22
Yeah, the media has an annoying habit of talking about points rather than percentages. DanTex Feb 2020 #3
They talk about points because people equate points with dollars onenote Feb 2020 #20
DJIA points are more dramatic, up or down. empedocles Feb 2020 #25
People who dont understand math I guess MichMan Feb 2020 #27
It's still in the Top 20 for % loss for a week Roland99 Feb 2020 #5
Yes, this is bad. The virus is worse. Stuart G Feb 2020 #8
I was in the 5th grade and remember my teacher freaking out. dewsgirl Feb 2020 #7
I had gone bowling with a friend, and we both freked out. And nobody knows what will happen. Stuart G Feb 2020 #9
I remember standing in Grand Central Station. At that time there was a huge ticker feed at the south Squinch Feb 2020 #14
Yikes 😳 dewsgirl Feb 2020 #16
But today's loss was on top of several days of big drops. spooky3 Feb 2020 #13
Yes, the word "correction" is a bad word. This could be the start of something far worse. Stuart G Feb 2020 #15
So no worries until a drop hits 22% again? 10% is huge Demovictory9 Feb 2020 #23
Today?? The DOW has dropped almost 4,000 points since Feb 12th Bengus81 Feb 2020 #24
Trump owns the most tremendous drop in SM history... lame54 Feb 2020 #26
the stock drop in 1987 was not based on the same reasons we are seeing the market dropping today beachbumbob Feb 2020 #28
Here are the ten worst years for the S & P500 index: lastlib Feb 2020 #29
Republican Presidents are bad for the stock market exboyfil Feb 2020 #30
I worked for an investment banking firm in SF on an equity trading desk kimbutgar Feb 2020 #31
I have the NYT for October 20, 1987 - one of the very few newspapers we saved karynnj Feb 2020 #33

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
1. OK. That's like saying a broken arm is bad, but not as bad as a beheading.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:20 PM
Feb 2020

Our arm is still broken.

And wasn't it October of 1987?

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
6. No, there was another crash in 1987
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:27 PM
Feb 2020

But I think it's correct that the worst drop ever, percentage-wise, was 1929.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
10. No, I'm wrong. You are right. The 29 event went on for days and the total % was larger.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:30 PM
Feb 2020

1987 was the largest single day percent drop.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
11. Thank You for pointing that out. In 29, the real effect came later.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:34 PM
Feb 2020

I think the same will happen now, but I really don't know nothing...(my hero Sgt. Schultz, Hogan's Heros)

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
12. Back to back days in 1929
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:35 PM
Feb 2020

totaled about 25% - almost 13% one day and almost 12% the next day, then another 10% drop a week later

walkingman

(7,580 posts)
2. If this is what it takes to rid America of this piece of shit - so be it. The market will come back,
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:24 PM
Feb 2020

not sure America will if Trump is re-elected.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
4. Yes, I think that the market will come back. If this helps to "rid America of this piece of shit"
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:26 PM
Feb 2020

well, as you say..."So be it."

MichMan

(11,868 posts)
17. Not sure the millions who lose their jobs and homes would agree
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:56 PM
Feb 2020

Millions of people lost jobs, homes and a lifetime of retirement savings in the last recession. I wouldn't wish for a replay of 2008-2009 on anyone.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
32. A large and sustained stock market drop would cause the valuations of companies to
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:48 PM
Feb 2020

drop, causing layoffs, causing reduced spending on consumer goods and services, causing more layoffs, causing people - most of whom are one paycheck away from poverty - to not be able to pay their mortgages, causing housing market to drop.

Financial crises might start in different sectors of the economy, but if they're big enough, they make their way through all of them.

walkingman

(7,580 posts)
21. Certainly hope nothing like that - if it is I fear we do not have the ability to come back like
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:07 PM
Feb 2020

before. The Fed should have been raising rates instead of listening to Trump. I think this is more about health implications than financials but they absolutely be tied together. Either way the market will come back and Trump will be history so I view it as something that was inevitable. Either now or after the election. The market cannot continue to go up forever. What goes up must come down.

Johonny

(20,818 posts)
19. In 1988 we elected Bush to replace Reagan
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:00 PM
Feb 2020

and amazingly we didn't learn a thing and have tried Reaganimics for another 40 years

walkingman

(7,580 posts)
22. Your right - I blame the last 40 years on Reagan and the continuation of his policies. Bush was a
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:12 PM
Feb 2020

low intelligence person that was controlled by the neocons and should be considered a war criminal. IMO, anyone that supports the GOP these days is either someone wealthy and looking to use the system to become even more wealthy or someone that is gullible and think they really do have a chance to become wealthy by supporting business over working people. Either way they have destroyed America and hope both rot in hell. Take that back - there is a place below hell and they belong there.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
3. Yeah, the media has an annoying habit of talking about points rather than percentages.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:25 PM
Feb 2020

Probably because math education is so bad in the US.

onenote

(42,585 posts)
20. They talk about points because people equate points with dollars
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:00 PM
Feb 2020

It's easier to understand if you compare two instances of market increases:

Let's say the market, at 29,000, has a 500 point increase. That's 1.7%

Compare that to the market, at 2900, having a 100 point increase. That's 3.5%

Most people, asked whether it was better to have a 1.7% increase represented by a 500 point gain or a 3.5% increase increase represented by only a 100 point gain, would choose the 1.7% (500 point) increase over the 3.5% (100 point) increase.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
9. I had gone bowling with a friend, and we both freked out. And nobody knows what will happen.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:30 PM
Feb 2020

It is the future.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
14. I remember standing in Grand Central Station. At that time there was a huge ticker feed at the south
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:36 PM
Feb 2020

door archway leading out of the main concourse.

Hundreds of people were just standing and watching it. Some were crying, some looked like they were going to have heart attacks right then and there. And that was after the trading day was over. It was very disturbing.

spooky3

(34,405 posts)
13. But today's loss was on top of several days of big drops.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:36 PM
Feb 2020

10% loss in one week is terrible. It’s not as bad as one day of 23% but this is a fairer comparison.

What annoys me is the euphemism “correction.” It’s a meaningless term. This 10% drop occurred because the corona virus could stall commerce widely and for a long time, in part because of the incompetence of this administration in ensuring the CDC was full staffed and well funded before the crisis.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
15. Yes, the word "correction" is a bad word. This could be the start of something far worse.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 06:41 PM
Feb 2020

..I don't know what. But I can imagine something far worse. I sure hope that doesn't happen.

Bengus81

(6,928 posts)
24. Today?? The DOW has dropped almost 4,000 points since Feb 12th
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:23 PM
Feb 2020

Looking at it one day isn't the way to do it--wish my TR Price account would ONLY drop my value because of today. But now...it's been dropping for over two weeks.

Do the math,it's dropped almost 15% in 15 days. Who cares if it's one day or a few days of trading sessions?

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
28. the stock drop in 1987 was not based on the same reasons we are seeing the market dropping today
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:07 PM
Feb 2020

uncharted territory with markets and potential pandemic and only in the early stages

lastlib

(23,152 posts)
29. Here are the ten worst years for the S & P500 index:
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:18 PM
Feb 2020

1931 -43.84%
2008 -36.55%
1937 -35.34%
1974 -25.90%
1930 -25.12%
2002 -21.97%
1973 -14.31%
1941 -12.77%
2001 -11.85%
1940 -10.67%

and the ten best years:
1954 52.56%
1933 49.98%
1935 46.74%
1928 43.81%
1958 43.72%
1995 37.20%
1975 37.00%
1945 35.82%
1997 33.10%
1955 32.60%

kimbutgar

(21,055 posts)
31. I worked for an investment banking firm in SF on an equity trading desk
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:37 PM
Feb 2020

I was on vacation the previous week and my first day back was black Monday. I’ll never forget the stress of my coworkers and bosses those days after. It wasn’t until Thursday someone asked me how my vacation was!

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
33. I have the NYT for October 20, 1987 - one of the very few newspapers we saved
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:18 PM
Feb 2020

Not because of the economic news, but because our second daughter was born that day. The recovery from that decline was relatively fast - or it may be that I had other things to think about with a newborn and a 2 and a half year old.

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