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kacekwl

(6,993 posts)
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 01:47 PM Mar 2020

Another election and no healthcare for all.

It should be done it can be done but because of the demon in the White House people are afraid to go there and lose the election. Maybe next time, maybe next time. If Biden wins I hope he keeps his promise to expand Obama care to be what is was to be.

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Another election and no healthcare for all. (Original Post) kacekwl Mar 2020 OP
Any form of health care will have to go through Congress. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #1
You think Bernie could have actually passed it? Clash City Rocker Mar 2020 #2
Do you think we will get it if we don't fight for it? nt el_bryanto Mar 2020 #7
There's fighting and then there's a suicide mission. stopbush Mar 2020 #8
I don't think we'll get it if we do fight for it Clash City Rocker Mar 2020 #9
Wait what's that about no magic wand? Gosh I never considered that. el_bryanto Mar 2020 #15
Thankfully, no one at all (other than yourself) is arguing or implying otherwise. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #14
So what you're saying is if we have both houses kacekwl Mar 2020 #13
We don't know exactly what will happen in the next 4-8 years if Biden wins Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2020 #3
"no healthcare for all" TwilightZone Mar 2020 #4
I know what his plan is. kacekwl Mar 2020 #12
Ah. The 'affordable' bullshit again n/t leftstreet Mar 2020 #16
As long as there is a Republican majority in the Senate Locutusofborg Mar 2020 #5
Indeed, this will be a decades-long struggle. maxsolomon Mar 2020 #6
A major pandemic could bring about a rapid paradigm shift. Crunchy Frog Mar 2020 #20
Meh. It would need to be a real catastrophe. maxsolomon Mar 2020 #21
We'll see. Crunchy Frog Mar 2020 #22
Make it more about how much we waste yearly for how little we get in return? Brainfodder Mar 2020 #10
Sanders himself said it would not pass, as did his staffer and AOC. I do not do illusions. LizBeth Mar 2020 #11
It is what it is and we get what we deserve. theaocp Mar 2020 #17
And who the HELL's fault is that?! Hortensis Mar 2020 #18
Coronavirus may end up forcing this country's hand. Crunchy Frog Mar 2020 #19
Personally haven't heard anyone present and sell the Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2020 #23

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
1. Any form of health care will have to go through Congress.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 01:52 PM
Mar 2020

People don't seem to get the fact that no president can make it happen. It's a thing Congress is responsible for, and a president's promises aren't worth squat without a cooperative Congressional majority. Get down-ballot Democrats elected and then we can talk about health care reform.

Clash City Rocker

(3,377 posts)
2. You think Bernie could have actually passed it?
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 01:52 PM
Mar 2020

There’s no chance of passing it, even if Democrats got a majority in both houses. Any moderate Democrat in a purple state would be voted out in the next election if he supported such a plan. And since Bernie has shown no proclivity to work on the behalf of moderate candidates, he’d have little chance of a Democratic Senate anyhow.

Clash City Rocker

(3,377 posts)
9. I don't think we'll get it if we do fight for it
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:29 PM
Mar 2020

And I don’t see how nominating someone who would lose the GE qualifies as fighting for it.

I think you need to understand the political forces at work here. If Bernie was President, do you think he could just wave a magic wand and make it happen? There are many things I’d like to change in our system - abolish the electoral college, overturn Citizen’s United, etc. But the president doesn’t have dictatorial power, and I recognize that those changes are not possible when a majority of voters, and a majority of Congressional leaders, don’t see them as a priority. We need to live in the real world.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
15. Wait what's that about no magic wand? Gosh I never considered that.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:02 PM
Mar 2020

I think more of the voters than you realize recognize the flaws in our healthcare system and our economy.

Bryant

kacekwl

(6,993 posts)
13. So what you're saying is if we have both houses
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:35 PM
Mar 2020

we should leave well enough alone and continue having the shitty healthcare coverage we do now. How inspirational.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,353 posts)
3. We don't know exactly what will happen in the next 4-8 years if Biden wins
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 01:54 PM
Mar 2020

I think that it's fair to say that we all know for certain what will happen if Trump wins and it's not pretty.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
4. "no healthcare for all"
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 01:55 PM
Mar 2020

Medicare for All isn't the only option available to ensure that everyone gets access to healthcare. Biden wants to add a public option to ACA, for one.

From Biden's website:

"GIVE EVERY AMERICAN ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HEALTH INSURANCE"

and includes a public option:

"All Americans will have a new, more affordable option. The public option, like Medicare, will negotiate prices with providers, providing a more affordable option for many Americans who today find their health insurance too expensive."

(snip)

"Joe Biden believes that every American – regardless of gender, race, income, sexual orientation, or zip code – should have access to affordable and quality health care. "

More:

https://joebiden.com/healthcare/

Locutusofborg

(524 posts)
5. As long as there is a Republican majority in the Senate
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:01 PM
Mar 2020

There will not be universal healthcare. The Republicans will block anything that moves Obamacare forward and the Supreme Court may well declare Obamacare to be unconstitutional now with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
Winning the White House and the Senate while maintaining the House majority are essential.

maxsolomon

(32,975 posts)
6. Indeed, this will be a decades-long struggle.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:18 PM
Mar 2020

It is likely few of us olds here at DU (55+) will live to see it. There needs to be a major demographic shift and propagandized generations of voters will need to pass on.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
10. Make it more about how much we waste yearly for how little we get in return?
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:30 PM
Mar 2020

The U.S.A. citizens pays too much for medications .

What I had read is that the U.S. taxpayer is subsidizing some R&D at big pharma, and the return is higher prices and availability to the world, who otherwise gets the discount, THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING on the meds.

We don't have better negotiating or any of that either, total B$?

Correct me if I am off, I don't ever mind, I aint perfect, unlike that phone call?


theaocp

(4,223 posts)
17. It is what it is and we get what we deserve.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:10 PM
Mar 2020

We deserve no universal access or healthcare because the donor class does not wish to change our current system. Our concerns mean very little to the donor class, as they have more money, so their "voice" is "louder". Their concerns will continue to get addressed and we can continue to fight over the crumbs.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. And who the HELL's fault is that?!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:21 PM
Mar 2020

I get so SICK of this stuff.

All who don't like that Democrats failed to turn the ACA into a full universal healthcare system after our nation fell to the Republicans in 2016 really, really need to this time vote for the ONLY people who are both determined to create it and CAPABLE of making it happen: The Democratic Party. We can't do it without the power! That's kindergarten civics.

Some people were lead by massive lies down a very self-defeating road in 2016, most of them continuing similar patterns from other elections. That's THEIR fault, not even that of false leaders who shouldn't have been able to buy a cafe latte with their donations, and so are the consequences. We all have a duty to inform ourselves so we can't be defeated by manipulation of our own ignorance and misplaced trust.

Those who allowed themselves to be can't undo their dreadful mistake, which has caused much unnecessary suffering and put us all in grave danger. But all who aren't actually nuts can understand where they went wrong as a first, vital step to not doing it again.

It's simple: Vote Democrat. Because ONLY the Democratic Party can and will create universal healthcare. As has been proven many times over.

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

See? We've been here before. People of conviction managed to save the rest that time, but no guarantee we can this one.
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. Personally haven't heard anyone present and sell the
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:53 PM
Mar 2020

Idea in an effective way. So I blame them. Anyone would be laughed out of a boardroom if they walked in suggesting to spent X trillions without transition plans, cost/benefit plans, constraints, worker displacement plans, incremental time lines.

Maybe more effective, imho, to determine exactly what steps need to be taken 2021 for instance, 2022, etc with the goal at the end the be universal coverage/MFA. Break into palatable parts that won't scare business world and voters.

Actually very irresponsible to just say no private insurance anymore without a plan on what to fo with all this displaced workers. And what about all the stockholders? Poof your money's gone?

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