Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:00 AM
prodigitalson (1,149 posts)
Will we even have an election in November?
What if that is when we are on the upward part of the second wave's curve and it is dangerous? What if it is kinda iffy and it is used as an excuse to "postpone" the voting? What are the odds Trump hasn't thought about this?
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prodigitalson | Mar 2020 | OP |
rzemanfl | Mar 2020 | #1 | |
TheBlackAdder | Mar 2020 | #17 | |
rzemanfl | Mar 2020 | #19 | |
Sherman A1 | Mar 2020 | #2 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2020 | #3 | |
Sherman A1 | Mar 2020 | #24 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Mar 2020 | #4 | |
dumbcat | Mar 2020 | #8 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Mar 2020 | #18 | |
dumbcat | Mar 2020 | #21 | |
prodigitalson | Apr 2020 | #25 | |
Proud Liberal Dem | Apr 2020 | #28 | |
onenote | Apr 2020 | #33 | |
jimfields33 | Apr 2020 | #29 | |
onenote | Apr 2020 | #32 | |
tman | Mar 2020 | #5 | |
PunkinPi | Mar 2020 | #7 | |
PunkinPi | Mar 2020 | #6 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2020 | #9 | |
crickets | Mar 2020 | #12 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2020 | #13 | |
duforsure | Mar 2020 | #10 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2020 | #11 | |
Turin_C3PO | Mar 2020 | #15 | |
Proud Liberal Dem | Apr 2020 | #31 | |
uponit7771 | Mar 2020 | #16 | |
onenote | Apr 2020 | #34 | |
sarisataka | Mar 2020 | #14 | |
HarlanPepper | Mar 2020 | #20 | |
Gothmog | Mar 2020 | #22 | |
PunkinPi | Mar 2020 | #23 | |
onenote | Apr 2020 | #26 | |
kentuck | Apr 2020 | #27 | |
we can do it | Apr 2020 | #30 | |
uponit7771 | Apr 2020 | #35 | |
elocs | Apr 2020 | #36 | |
Laelth | Apr 2020 | #37 |
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:01 AM
rzemanfl (29,178 posts)
1. What are the odds Drumpf thinks at all? n/t
Response to rzemanfl (Reply #1)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:36 AM
TheBlackAdder (26,595 posts)
17. I wonder if Trump is purposely fucking this up to force a delay.
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #17)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:38 AM
rzemanfl (29,178 posts)
19. That would suggest thought. n/t
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:02 AM
Sherman A1 (38,958 posts)
2. Yes
There will be
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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #2)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:05 AM
prodigitalson (1,149 posts)
3. How is that compatible with social distancing? nt
Response to prodigitalson (Reply #3)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 01:15 PM
Sherman A1 (38,958 posts)
24. You honestly believe that it cannot be accomplished? n/t
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:06 AM
Fiendish Thingy (12,759 posts)
4. The Constitution mandates an election in November - the challenge will be GOTV safely
That’s why legislating mail in ballots is so important.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #4)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:46 AM
dumbcat (2,103 posts)
8. No, the Constitution does not mandate an election in November.
The word "November" does not appear anywhere in the text of the Constitution.
The States set the time and place. Congress can set the date, and they can also change it. Section 4
1: The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators. |
Response to dumbcat (Reply #8)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:36 AM
Fiendish Thingy (12,759 posts)
18. If no election is held in November, say hello to President Pelosi nt
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #18)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:42 PM
prodigitalson (1,149 posts)
25. I think that's correct? nt
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #18)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:44 PM
Proud Liberal Dem (23,809 posts)
28. President Leahy
actually, I believe
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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #28)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:49 PM
onenote (40,021 posts)
33. More likely president Grassley
Governors can fill Senate vacancies and thus it is likely that there will still be a republican majority after January 3.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #18)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:45 PM
jimfields33 (13,092 posts)
29. I thought so to but her term is up before the president and Vice President
I learned that from a DUer.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #18)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:47 PM
onenote (40,021 posts)
32. As the post above this points out, Pelosi's term ends January 3.
If there is no election in November, there will be no House of Representatives after January 3. And no Speaker Pelosi. This scenario is too ludicrous to discuss, but since folks here keep bringing it up, the "correct" answer is that Chuck Grassley probably will be President assuming that the Senate vacancies that occur because no election is held will be filled by appointments made by governors. (Per the Constitution, vacancies in the House can only be filled by an election; but Senate vacancies can be filled by Governors).
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:08 AM
tman (922 posts)
5. Do we have any confidence congress and states will address this?
No I don't think we do.
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Response to tman (Reply #5)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:29 AM
PunkinPi (4,843 posts)
7. The democrats in congress are trying to address this...
and I'm sure blue states are also working on it. Here in VA (which is now a totally blue on the statewide level) they no longer require an excuse for absentee voting in direct response to the coronavirus, thereby making it easier to vote.
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:20 AM
PunkinPi (4,843 posts)
6. Yes, I believe we will have an election. We had one during a civil war.
Dems having been fighting to include money in the recent bills to protect the elections and they support mail-in ballots and early voting.
The only thing he cares about is his "re-election." He knows damn well doing anything to make it easier for people to vote would be very bad for him and the gop. The video below shows him saying the quiet part out loud. Link to tweet Trump openly admitting if we made voting easier in America, Republicans wouldn't win elections Trump: "The things they had in there were crazy. They had levels of voting, that if you ever agreed to it you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again." |
Response to PunkinPi (Reply #6)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:03 AM
prodigitalson (1,149 posts)
9. The civil war wasn't something you could catch
by standing next to someone. Nobody in New York City was in danger of catching it by going to a polling place.
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Response to prodigitalson (Reply #9)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:09 AM
crickets (25,078 posts)
12. Which is why Democrats are pushing for funding of a mail in ballot for all states. nt
Response to crickets (Reply #12)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:10 AM
prodigitalson (1,149 posts)
13. That is good news
But this will be too tempting for Trump.
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:04 AM
duforsure (11,861 posts)
10. Trump will with GOP support
Try to declare its postponement, because they know they are going to lose very badly. So he may be trying to let the spread of this virus go up on purpose to use for a declaration delaying the election, but they'll delay it until they can be sure they've got it rigged for trump and themselves.
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Response to duforsure (Reply #10)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:09 AM
prodigitalson (1,149 posts)
11. I agree with you nt
Response to duforsure (Reply #10)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:17 AM
Turin_C3PO (10,875 posts)
15. He cannot unilaterally postpone the election.
Congress sets the date and Democrats control Congress. And the individual states hold the federal election.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #15)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:46 PM
Proud Liberal Dem (23,809 posts)
31. Democrats control the House only
not the Senate.
But I have no idea how even the Republicans will weather the optics of trying to postpone the election. |
Response to duforsure (Reply #10)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:52 PM
onenote (40,021 posts)
34. Are you aware that if there is no election, there is no House of Representatives.
The terms of all 435 members expire on January 3, 2021.
And if there is no House of Representatives, there can be no legislation enacted. So, yes, there will be an election. |
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:15 AM
sarisataka (15,883 posts)
14. Posts about the election being canceled or delayed
Are starting to give the 'Trump is going to resign' posts a run for their money. I wonder if they can catch up, I do love a race.
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:39 AM
HarlanPepper (2,042 posts)
20. Enough of this tired, silly question
Asked and answered a million times here, FFS.
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:05 PM
Gothmog (130,141 posts)
22. No, Trump Cannot Move the General Election
Marc Elias is one of the top election law attorneys in the country and was the head of the Clinton Victory Counsel program. Marc has been busy suing to expand voting rights including a couple of lawsuits in Texas
Link to tweet We are three months into a major presidential election year and in the middle of a global pandemic. Not surprisingly, I am getting a lot of questions — from family, friends, reporters, political consultants, even from Members of Congress — about the impact that all of this may have on our elections. But there is one question that I get asked more than any other: is there any way—at all—that Trump can legally cancel or postpone the November General Election?
The answer is clearly no. The president has no legal authority to change the date of federal elections — period. And though one court — one time — found that a congressional election, in part of one state, could be postponed by a few weeks, the circumstances under which the court found that was warranted does not apply in 2020 and could never apply to the office of the president. With respect to congressional elections, the Constitution gives states the power to set the “times, places and manner” of elections, subject to Congress’s ultimate authority to “make or alter” state regulations. This means that while states have the power to enact rules around how elections for federal office are run, ultimately Congress can overrule the states. Congress has used this power in a number of ways including requiring states to ensure that military and overseas voters receive mail ballots in time for them to be able to vote. Most importantly, more than 100 years ago, Congress set, by federal statute, the date on which congressional elections are to be held as the Tuesday following the first Monday in November. Neither the president nor a state can alter or postpone that date and only once has a court done so. The only time a congressional general election was postponed was in 1982, when a federal district court in Washington, DC struck down two Georgia congressional districts under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. With the election nearing, the court postponed the general election to later in November for those districts. Among its reasons, that Section 5 of the VRA, like the Election Day law, was an Act of Congress—and a more recent one. To read the two federal laws in harmony, the court found that the postponement was consistent with federal law, policy, and the U.S. Constitution. Sadly, since that ruling, the Supreme Court struck down the coverage formula that is used for Section 5 preclearance. Thus, even that limited historical exception could not happen today. With respect to the presidential general election, things are even clearer. The Constitution provides that “the Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.” In 1845, Congress enacted a statute to exercise its power to set a uniform date for “choosing” electors: “The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.” This year that day is November 3: no statute provides authority for postponing or rescheduling the “time of choosing the electors” determined by Congress—that is, for postponing an election past November 3, 2020. |
Response to Gothmog (Reply #22)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:27 PM
PunkinPi (4,843 posts)
23. Thank you for this, Gothmog. nt
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:43 PM
onenote (40,021 posts)
26. This shit.Again. And again. And Again.
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:44 PM
kentuck (109,261 posts)
27. It's an open question.
In my opinion.
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:45 PM
we can do it (11,405 posts)
30. Yes and we will win.
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:56 PM
uponit7771 (88,969 posts)
35. OF COURSE !! One were only 70% participation from last time cause people scare, sick or dead.
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:46 PM
Laelth (32,014 posts)
37. Yes. Of course, we will.
In our Federal Republic, the states are supreme. Elections are wholly and solely the responsibility of the states. Every state will hold an election in November. It would be stupid not to. Do you think the red states want to forego the election and not have their electors counted in the electoral college? Trust me. They will have elections because they want their voices heard. The Federal government has NO CONTROL over elections. It's all up to the individual states--all of which want to have a voice in our nation.
Here, some faith in our system of government is warranted. ![]() -Laelth |