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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWill we even have an election in November?
What if that is when we are on the upward part of the second wave's curve and it is dangerous? What if it is kinda iffy and it is used as an excuse to "postpone" the voting? What are the odds Trump hasn't thought about this?
rzemanfl
(30,117 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,634 posts)rzemanfl
(30,117 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)There will be
prodigitalson
(2,734 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(17,283 posts)Thats why legislating mail in ballots is so important.
dumbcat
(2,127 posts)The word "November" does not appear anywhere in the text of the Constitution.
The States set the time and place. Congress can set the date, and they can also change it.
1: The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
Fiendish Thingy
(17,283 posts)dumbcat
(2,127 posts)prodigitalson
(2,734 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,700 posts)actually, I believe
onenote
(43,843 posts)Governors can fill Senate vacancies and thus it is likely that there will still be a republican majority after January 3.
jimfields33
(17,923 posts)I learned that from a DUer.
onenote
(43,843 posts)If there is no election in November, there will be no House of Representatives after January 3. And no Speaker Pelosi. This scenario is too ludicrous to discuss, but since folks here keep bringing it up, the "correct" answer is that Chuck Grassley probably will be President assuming that the Senate vacancies that occur because no election is held will be filled by appointments made by governors. (Per the Constitution, vacancies in the House can only be filled by an election; but Senate vacancies can be filled by Governors).
tman
(1,108 posts)No I don't think we do.
These are dangerous times.
PunkinPi
(4,952 posts)and I'm sure blue states are also working on it. Here in VA (which is now a totally blue on the statewide level) they no longer require an excuse for absentee voting in direct response to the coronavirus, thereby making it easier to vote.
PunkinPi
(4,952 posts)Dems having been fighting to include money in the recent bills to protect the elections and they support mail-in ballots and early voting.
The only thing he cares about is his "re-election." He knows damn well doing anything to make it easier for people to vote would be very bad for him and the gop.
The video below shows him saying the quiet part out loud.
Link to tweet
Trump openly admitting if we made voting easier in America, Republicans wouldn't win elections
Trump: "The things they had in there were crazy. They had levels of voting, that if you ever agreed to it you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again."
prodigitalson
(2,734 posts)by standing next to someone. Nobody in New York City was in danger of catching it by going to a polling place.
crickets
(26,136 posts)prodigitalson
(2,734 posts)But this will be too tempting for Trump.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Try to declare its postponement, because they know they are going to lose very badly. So he may be trying to let the spread of this virus go up on purpose to use for a declaration delaying the election, but they'll delay it until they can be sure they've got it rigged for trump and themselves.
prodigitalson
(2,734 posts)Turin_C3PO
(15,112 posts)Congress sets the date and Democrats control Congress. And the individual states hold the federal election.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,700 posts)not the Senate.
But I have no idea how even the Republicans will weather the optics of trying to postpone the election.
onenote
(43,843 posts)The terms of all 435 members expire on January 3, 2021.
And if there is no House of Representatives, there can be no legislation enacted.
So, yes, there will be an election.
sarisataka
(20,165 posts)Are starting to give the 'Trump is going to resign' posts a run for their money. I wonder if they can catch up, I do love a race.
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)Asked and answered a million times here, FFS.
Gothmog
(151,651 posts)Marc Elias is one of the top election law attorneys in the country and was the head of the Clinton Victory Counsel program. Marc has been busy suing to expand voting rights including a couple of lawsuits in Texas
Link to tweet
The answer is clearly no.
The president has no legal authority to change the date of federal elections period. And though one court one time found that a congressional election, in part of one state, could be postponed by a few weeks, the circumstances under which the court found that was warranted does not apply in 2020 and could never apply to the office of the president.
With respect to congressional elections, the Constitution gives states the power to set the times, places and manner of elections, subject to Congresss ultimate authority to make or alter state regulations. This means that while states have the power to enact rules around how elections for federal office are run, ultimately Congress can overrule the states. Congress has used this power in a number of ways including requiring states to ensure that military and overseas voters receive mail ballots in time for them to be able to vote.
Most importantly, more than 100 years ago, Congress set, by federal statute, the date on which congressional elections are to be held as the Tuesday following the first Monday in November. Neither the president nor a state can alter or postpone that date and only once has a court done so.
The only time a congressional general election was postponed was in 1982, when a federal district court in Washington, DC struck down two Georgia congressional districts under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. With the election nearing, the court postponed the general election to later in November for those districts. Among its reasons, that Section 5 of the VRA, like the Election Day law, was an Act of Congressand a more recent one. To read the two federal laws in harmony, the court found that the postponement was consistent with federal law, policy, and the U.S. Constitution. Sadly, since that ruling, the Supreme Court struck down the coverage formula that is used for Section 5 preclearance. Thus, even that limited historical exception could not happen today.
With respect to the presidential general election, things are even clearer. The Constitution provides that the Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States. In 1845, Congress enacted a statute to exercise its power to set a uniform date for choosing electors: The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.
This year that day is November 3: no statute provides authority for postponing or rescheduling the time of choosing the electors determined by Congressthat is, for postponing an election past November 3, 2020.
PunkinPi
(4,952 posts)onenote
(43,843 posts)kentuck
(112,212 posts)In my opinion.
we can do it
(12,687 posts)uponit7771
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)In our Federal Republic, the states are supreme. Elections are wholly and solely the responsibility of the states. Every state will hold an election in November. It would be stupid not to. Do you think the red states want to forego the election and not have their electors counted in the electoral college? Trust me. They will have elections because they want their voices heard. The Federal government has NO CONTROL over elections. It's all up to the individual states--all of which want to have a voice in our nation.
Here, some faith in our system of government is warranted.
-Laelth