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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 12:52 PM Apr 2020

Warnings being reported on the news.

Banks being overwhelmed by the amount of small business loans requested. Money from the government bailout exhausted.

State governments in big economic trouble without federal help.

Post office will go broke in a few months without help.

Food banks being overwhelmed.

Farmers being wiped out, food being thrown out.

Possible drug shortages, food shortages.

We are slowing the spread of the virus, not stopping it. Any attempt to stop what we are doing now without proper testing will set us back quickly.

Trump is not capable of handling the crisis we face. All of our fears are justified, the news media is telling us all of our fears are justified.

Thank goodness we have some governors that understand this. In the end, they may be the ones that save our country, our lives, until we can remove that lunatic from the white house.

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Warnings being reported on the news. (Original Post) shockey80 Apr 2020 OP
K and R pdxflyboy Apr 2020 #1
The governors have to work with a president who constantly wants to kill Americans and sow chaos dalton99a Apr 2020 #2
The most jarring thing about Trump's behavior during this crisis is his complete lack of empathy. sop Apr 2020 #3
He can't even fake empathy. smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #27
Absolutely. RVN VET71 Apr 2020 #30
Wow! Powerful post! Sunriser13 Apr 2020 #58
Precisely. jaxexpat Apr 2020 #60
She was holding a baby ORPHANED by the mass murder. AZ8theist Apr 2020 #50
Something That Absolutely Makes No Sense To Me..... global1 Apr 2020 #4
With the milk, the problem is that the processing plants are shuttering. haele Apr 2020 #19
For most crops the cost of harvest is the highest portion of it's price Tumbulu Apr 2020 #46
One simple reason.... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #21
we are subject to 'one' who is devoid sprinkleeninow Apr 2020 #22
Dems haven't quite understood that it isn't the "One" DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #29
all you say is correct sprinkleeninow Apr 2020 #32
Every GOP President in my lifetime, after Ike, has been Progressive Jones Apr 2020 #52
Agree, a nightmare. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #33
hey '65! 😁 we must've gone to different schools together.. 😉 sprinkleeninow Apr 2020 #35
Thanks for that. Love the lyrics. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #49
I think there have been multiple plans though the years Steelrolled Apr 2020 #59
Good thought, Global DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #24
Supply chains can be surprisingly rigid. Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 #41
It is being poured out or plowed under in rural areas. It is needed in urban and suburban areas. 3Hotdogs Apr 2020 #51
accurate summary of the status of USA Demovictory9 Apr 2020 #5
I'm thankful JustAnotherGen Apr 2020 #6
But the news networks are too busy covering the bullshit "protests" being paid for by Trump & Co. MadMike47 Apr 2020 #7
Of course they are DownriverDem Apr 2020 #9
Reporting it and devoting entire news cycles to it are completely separate forms of journalism. EarthFirst Apr 2020 #18
Is anyone surprised by the fact DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #36
And running Fat Donnie's two hour political rallies every day. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2020 #10
Love my Governor DownriverDem Apr 2020 #8
Love my governor, too. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2020 #14
The way the RepubliCONS DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #39
K&R, ... at what point should the M$M stop being impartial & tell the truth about Trumps ignorance? uponit7771 Apr 2020 #11
We're going to wake up from the corona virus with a whole new type of government. It takes jalan48 Apr 2020 #12
This was all predictable. Did anyone really think Trump could handle a crisis? Pepsidog Apr 2020 #13
Trump would fuck up liberalhistorian Apr 2020 #25
Wall Street: "Dow up 14.1%, S&P 500 up 13.7% in the past month. All is well" progree Apr 2020 #15
These are the times when those with capital, invest: Disaster Capitalism LiberalLovinLug Apr 2020 #26
Perfectly said LLL DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #37
Well said as well LiberalLovinLug Apr 2020 #38
We are indeed DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #40
"How's your 401K's?" said the dufus in chief over and over again to his MAGATs. llmart Apr 2020 #31
What he brags about is stock market since inauguration day and since election day progree Apr 2020 #43
CEOs and Board Members used the tax cuts to buy back stocks so... Lock him up. Apr 2020 #47
Yes, very good point. The tentative stock market gains have come at a steep cost progree Apr 2020 #53
"Possible drug shortages..." GReedDiamond Apr 2020 #16
My pharmacy is rationing it Wednesdays Apr 2020 #42
But you are forgetting the most important thing Amishman Apr 2020 #17
Looks like the Trump Depression. Sneederbunk Apr 2020 #20
Trump Depression is rigth! We need to scream that from the rooftops! Trump Recession.... machoneman Apr 2020 #62
When dump is no longer the WH resident burrowowl Apr 2020 #23
AND Negligence leading to (so far) over 40,000 deaths... Lock him up. Apr 2020 #48
There are a number of Republicans in the House and Senate that should be on trial as well like cstanleytech Apr 2020 #54
How can Trump be even slightly effective in running for reelection? world wide wally Apr 2020 #28
Politically aligned media outlets uponit7771 Apr 2020 #56
There's not a lot of slack in a full employment economy bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #34
Real change is hard. Posts on the internet don't make change. warmfeet Apr 2020 #44
1 thing I don't understand seta1950 Apr 2020 #45
Stupid people getting equal whatever is why this world is FUBAR? Brainfodder Apr 2020 #55
Right on. I know it is hard, but we aren't near out of it mvd Apr 2020 #57
Kick orangecrush Apr 2020 #61
No, the ones that will save our Country is US. SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #63
Well, I guess this is what the "Again" in "Make America Great" comes down to. NNadir Apr 2020 #64

dalton99a

(81,068 posts)
2. The governors have to work with a president who constantly wants to kill Americans and sow chaos
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 01:06 PM
Apr 2020

for his reelection



sop

(9,946 posts)
3. The most jarring thing about Trump's behavior during this crisis is his complete lack of empathy.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 01:25 PM
Apr 2020

Every other president has taken on the role of consoler in chief during difficult moments. Some do it better than others, but they've all risen to the occasion. Not this POS.

Trump shows up at hospitals after mass shootings, wearing that stupid shit-eating grin, flashing thumbs-up hand gestures, talking only about how much people love him. His vapid porn star wife boards a plane on her way to visit a detention center holding immigrant children separated from their parents wearing a jacket with "I don't care, do u?" on the back.

I never wish others ill, but I'm willing to make an exception in Trump's case.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
27. He can't even fake empathy.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:34 PM
Apr 2020

And if he did, it would be so obviously insincere that it would be even more disgraceful than not expressing any message of compassion at all.

He simply does not care about anybody or anything but himself.

RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
30. Absolutely.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:54 PM
Apr 2020

I would feel sorry for him if he was trying to lead us out of this mess but failing. I'd still call him incompetent, but I'd at least look at him as man in over his head who nevertheless tried.

But Trump isn't trying, period. Because Trump doesn't care, period. Not about human lives, not about America's ability to be a world leader, a crystal city on a hill (or whatever the hell Bush Senior called it). He is interested in his own fortune, his own fame -- and a little irony here because he doesn't understand at all about the meaning of the term "infamy" and why it will always be affixed to his picture alongside "impeached" -- and his pretend ability to help out the wealthiest Americans, because they are the only ones who qualify for his attention, ever.

We -- you and I and all of us here at DU and throughout America, including the poor bedazzled jackasses who still support him with a zeal bordering on idol-worshipping -- are not even insects to him. Our lives, at any rate, mean nothing to him. Our votes, of course, mean quite a lot to him. And I think he's convinced himself that he has got a clear path to winning enough of them in November to keep his job. After all, he has enough idol-worshippers out there who will vote for him if he commits incest with his daughter on a Times Square altar -- and they're good for 30, maybe 40 million votes. So all he needs is for his propagandists to paint Joe Biden as a brain-withered sexual criminal and he'll cadge the remaining 20 million or so he needs to win again.

The best title for a Trump biographer is the line you cite above: "I don't care, do you?"

AZ8theist

(5,339 posts)
50. She was holding a baby ORPHANED by the mass murder.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 11:03 PM
Apr 2020

A disgusting, vile WHORE.

(with my apologies to sex workers everywhere. Malaria is just in it for the money. She doesn't even sleep with the pig anymore...)

global1

(25,168 posts)
4. Something That Absolutely Makes No Sense To Me.....
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 01:43 PM
Apr 2020

You say the following:
Food banks being overwhelmed. Food being thrown out. Possible food shortages.

Why isn't that thrown out food being donated to food banks?

People in this country should not be going hungry - if food is being destroyed or being thrown out.

Don't destroy it. Donate it.

haele

(12,581 posts)
19. With the milk, the problem is that the processing plants are shuttering.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:00 PM
Apr 2020

Slowing down, as restaurant and specialty foods orders are drying up. There is no where to send the milk to be made into cheese or yougurt, creams, etc...
The fruits and vegetables are suffering from a lack of pickers and packers. Same with ranchers and meat or egg processing.
A lot of the problem is that most farms and ranches are factory or corporate entities and the "bottom line" is the driver of their ability to produce.

Local growers and ranchers - and processors - will have to pick up when the corporate farms close down.

Haele

Tumbulu

(6,267 posts)
46. For most crops the cost of harvest is the highest portion of it's price
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 09:53 PM
Apr 2020

If the restaurant that ordered the food is closed and not buying, why would you search everywhere for people to pick the crop when nobody is buying it? And how could you pay them without any sale of the product?

I think that food banks will need to get volunteers to go out to farms to pick the crops. And then people will get a little tiny picture of how hard farm workers work. And how skilled they actually are.

The local organic producers in my area employ workers year round, and so they have a dedicated workforce. But still pivoting from restaurant orders to direct retail is quite the task.

And for many crops, the processors are closed, so there is nobody to take the raw product. These guys do not have those connections to retail or food banks. Food banks would need to have their own processing plants.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,483 posts)
21. One simple reason....
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:18 PM
Apr 2020

The USA did not have a comprehensive plan in place on how we deal with a systemic national emergency.

Had an plan been in-hand and implemented as policy, and an agency assigned to staying on top of that plan with coordinated advanced planning with all the states, things like excessive food waste and unnecessary illness and death would not be happening. Data on infections, antibodies, hospitalizations and deaths would have been collected and coordinated into a central agency, as would the material needs of the states.

Although I have downloaded it but not yet read it entirely, as I understand it President Obama's plan that tRump's people shelved likely would have saved us much grief and misery.

So far what we have with tRump's administration is chaos and criminality...........

sprinkleeninow

(20,133 posts)
22. we are subject to 'one' who is devoid
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:24 PM
Apr 2020

and thus the motion of the government is devoid

i and many awake daily to an unimaginable nightmare

DENVERPOPS

(8,679 posts)
29. Dems haven't quite understood that it isn't the "One"
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:45 PM
Apr 2020

He is simply their front man. Period.

It is the RepubliCON controlled Senate, for starters, that is the overwhelming force behind everything, people.
The "ONE" wouldn't last one second with out them doing what they are doing.......

It is purely like the guy behind the curtain in the Wizard of OZ, except the ones behind the curtain are the RepubliCON controlled Senate. And, with it being documented and proven time after time, that the true person standing way back in the shadows directing the entire show is PUTIN. He and his oligarchs financed the entire run up to the current situation in the United States by mostly laundering Zillions of dollars thru the NRA to the RepubliCONS. After the Cold War, Putin despised/loathed what the U.S. had done to Russia. He vowed to get even forever more.....and has been working on every angle. He found a presidential candidate that he could blackmail and whose intelligence was low and whose ego was astronomical. Then he found a group that put money above all else, the RepubliCON Party and politicians.
The Russian people are laughing their asses off at how easily Putin has been able to trash the U.S. and Democracy.
All of it without personally being involved, and without firing a single missile or rocket......

sprinkleeninow

(20,133 posts)
32. all you say is correct
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 04:00 PM
Apr 2020

* is exactly who/what they needed to fulfill their filthy agenda

* the embodiment of everything negative A to Z

it could've been game over earlier if we hadn't secured the House at the very least

I find myself veering into 'not despair', but close

it comes in waves

stay safe and healthy 💛





Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
52. Every GOP President in my lifetime, after Ike, has been
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 11:46 PM
Apr 2020

nothing but a puppet, taking orders from those running the right wing coup.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,483 posts)
33. Agree, a nightmare.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 04:02 PM
Apr 2020

Who would have dreamed in our worst nightmares when I got out of high school in '65 that our nation and a sizable percentage of our people would deteriorate to this degree?

And, layer hard right-wing elected leaders around the country, climate change and a deadly global pandemic on top of it all.

Hard to be positive these days, Sprinkleeninow........

sprinkleeninow

(20,133 posts)
35. hey '65! 😁 we must've gone to different schools together.. 😉
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 04:10 PM
Apr 2020
Steely Dan - 'Hey Nineteen' - YouTube

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,483 posts)
49. Thanks for that. Love the lyrics.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 10:00 PM
Apr 2020

Actually, I was into smooth country music at that time.....that summer I left home for college. There was an FM station out of Nashville that played only the really good country stuff and I never got into much rock until a much later age (like 50s through my now 70s) although I've always loved Allman Bros. and anything the Eagles did. Can't deal with hard rock or metal at all, though. I'm into listening to the pickers far more than the singers.

Now, I'm also really enjoying stuff like Led Zeppelin, Steely Dan, CSN&Y, Seals & Crofts and many more. Can't play my stuff really loud through speakers anymore but got some good headphones and a power amp to get it loud.

Got to have relief from tRump, ya know.

KY............

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
59. I think there have been multiple plans though the years
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:38 AM
Apr 2020

but they never get the level of funding needed to be really useful.

I just read one that appears to address exactly the issues we have experienced with COVID-19. It is eerie. But I don't think it ever got that far beyond a high level plan.

There are always other priorities, or government agency reshuffles occur and there it gets lost.

DENVERPOPS

(8,679 posts)
24. Good thought, Global
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:27 PM
Apr 2020

Only problem is, that Rural America Farmers are overwhelmingly RepubliCON Trumphumpers......
AND, it is considerably cheaper for them to till the crop under, and collect a large Federal Gov't subsidy, especially the vast number of huge farming conglomerates/coporations......The only welfare the RepubliCONS want is Corporate Welfare.......
They want a country where they are the top 1%, and the entire rest of the nation is crushed down into the bottom 1% position, with nothing in-between.....

Pacifist Patriot

(24,647 posts)
41. Supply chains can be surprisingly rigid.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:54 PM
Apr 2020

Converting industrial and institutional products to retail consumer products is more like trying to get a locomotive to take a left turn than getting a car to change lanes.

The processing, packaging, and distribution differences makes milk or toilet paper destined for a school entirely different products from milk and toilet paper headed to a grocery store near you.

As much as we like to think that better planning could have prevented this wasteful conundrum, anyone suggesting it six months ago would have been dismissed as a chicken little crank. The expense of putting such contingency plans in order would be seen as an unacceptable unnecessary business expense.

3Hotdogs

(12,209 posts)
51. It is being poured out or plowed under in rural areas. It is needed in urban and suburban areas.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 11:42 PM
Apr 2020

The problem is how to process, purify and add preservatives to it.

Then, where is the trucking going to come from? That costs money.


Your sympathy and disgust are valid. The logistics are not there.

The food being destroyed was meant for restaurants such wholesalers. Restaurants are now out of, or in reduced business status.

A restaurant veggie supplier near me (NJ) has begun selling to individual consumers. Problem is, you gotta buy 40 pounds of the vegetables at a time. We got together and bulk ordered and then broke up the stuff with relatives and neighbors.

EarthFirst

(2,877 posts)
18. Reporting it and devoting entire news cycles to it are completely separate forms of journalism.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 02:53 PM
Apr 2020

They are 100% complicit in helping rebrand White Nationalism as the “Alt-Right”

Fuck that they’re on “everyone’s side...

DENVERPOPS

(8,679 posts)
36. Is anyone surprised by the fact
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 04:21 PM
Apr 2020

that the MSM is 80+% owned by Rich RepubliCONS??????????

All the news that is in the RepubliCONS best interest to run...............

Most of the groundwork for all this was done during the Reagan administration.
Some of us were screaming from the rooftops.We were especially chastised by by the "Reagan Democrats" who had their heads buried in the sand. And we have screamed our heads off since, only to be ridiculed and laughed at the entire time.

10. And running Fat Donnie's two hour political rallies every day.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 02:45 PM
Apr 2020

It's hard to watch Dr. Fauci and the other experts stand there and listen to the Insane King, knowing there is so much critical work they could be doing.

Trump said he had absolute authority to open the country. When the governors made him back down he found another way to do it -- support "spontaneous" uprisings in every state, starting with the Democratically held battleground states. The Red State governors, who were reluctant to issue stay-at-home orders in the first place, are using the protests as a reason to lift the order. So Fat Donnie gets what he wants (again!) without having to take any responsibility.

DownriverDem

(6,206 posts)
8. Love my Governor
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 02:31 PM
Apr 2020

Governor Whitmer is doing all she can to slow it down, but trump is doing all he can to bring her down. She is popular here and we support her. trump thinks what he is doing will help him win Michigan.

14. Love my governor, too.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 02:49 PM
Apr 2020

Newsom took action early and doesn't take any of Trump's guff. He's set the example of joining with other states (Washington and Oregon) to share information and supplies.

DENVERPOPS

(8,679 posts)
39. The way the RepubliCONS
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:17 PM
Apr 2020

are flaunting their corrupt actions in our faces, and not caring a twit or worrying about votes in the upcoming election leaves me with no other thought than they already know they have the election rigged and can proceed full steam ahead with their agenda and not even wait for the election.

Anyone disagree with my hypothesis?????????

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
12. We're going to wake up from the corona virus with a whole new type of government. It takes
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 02:47 PM
Apr 2020

a crisis like this to keep people from seeing what is going on. One example today is the federal government stealing PPE and ventilator orders from states that have already paid for the items and then doing who knows what with them. Zero transparency is our future.

liberalhistorian

(20,809 posts)
25. Trump would fuck up
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:28 PM
Apr 2020

as a dogcatcher in East Podunk, Wyoming, how the HELL anyone with more than two brain cells to put together could have thought otherwise and pulled the lever for him, or could STILL think otherwise, shows just how far we've truly fallen.

progree

(10,864 posts)
15. Wall Street: "Dow up 14.1%, S&P 500 up 13.7% in the past month. All is well"
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 02:50 PM
Apr 2020

Closing values of DOW and S&P 500

Dow: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EDJI/history?p=%5EDJI
March 17   21,237.38
April 17   24,242.49
% increase:   +14.1%

S&P 500: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EGSPC/history?p=%5EGSPC
March 17   2,529.19
April 17   2,874.56
% increase:   +13.7%

LiberalLovinLug

(14,154 posts)
26. These are the times when those with capital, invest: Disaster Capitalism
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:33 PM
Apr 2020

Maybe simplification but unless there is a full fledged run on the banks by the majority of average people, those with substantial wealth, use this time to set themselves up for the future. They may lose money in the short term from existing businesses, but that will all be offset and more once the economy starts up again, and they now own millions more in property, or business's that weren't able to survive through the pandemic, whose value will shoot up again when its over. Apparently the Koch brothers did very very well after Bush Jr.'s recession, in Obama's first years, as the economy improved, their vulture capitalist steals made them ultra rich.

The trick for these modern day robber barons is to walk as close to the line as possible between the public at large rising up, and demanding their own money from banks because they let it get too desperate, against the point where the economy crashes enough to force small business's to have to sell off.....to them. Or mortgage holders unable to pay off their home or building. They sweep in and pay pennies on the dollar. Sit back in their mansions with everything they need while they sit out COVID19, all the while tweeting support for Trump and opening business up again NOW so they can reap the profits of their new investments.

DENVERPOPS

(8,679 posts)
37. Perfectly said LLL
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 04:28 PM
Apr 2020

And just wait for the second wave of financial shit to hit the fan.......
This upturn is merely what is called "a dead cat bounce"

I honestly feel that we haven't seen anything yet compared to what is coming.....

The U.S. public is composed of masses of people that are illiterate, ill informed or terminally greedy.
Given that, we ain't seen nothing yet, to what lies in the near future for all of us......

LiberalLovinLug

(14,154 posts)
38. Well said as well
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 04:50 PM
Apr 2020

It will get more and more nuts.
It will be a battle of information. I'd say "Info wars" but that refers to something else. I do fear the power of the MSM, no matter how much they are dismissed by the fringes on the left and right. How much will they start to bend towards opening up the country, for their owners, who have stakes in more than a media company, vs. adequate safety messaging?

DENVERPOPS

(8,679 posts)
40. We are indeed
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:21 PM
Apr 2020

one millimeter away from them pulling off their cabals coup.

That being: a Corporate Fascist Tyranny.........

Unlike anything the world has ever seen...........

llmart

(15,501 posts)
31. "How's your 401K's?" said the dufus in chief over and over again to his MAGATs.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:56 PM
Apr 2020

The Dow was almost 27,000 on March 1st, so the April 24,242 doesn't impress me much at all. Right before Christmas it was over 28,000.

I won't celebrate the Dow until it's back up to the 28,000 mark like it was before Christmas.

progree

(10,864 posts)
43. What he brags about is stock market since inauguration day and since election day
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 07:46 PM
Apr 2020

rather than that it's down from some recent all-time high in February.

DOW
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EDJI/history?p=%5EDJI
11/8/16 close: 18333
1/19/17 close: 19732
1/20/17 close: 19827
4/17/20 close : 24242
Since election day: +32.2%
Since 1/20/17: +22.3%

S&P 500:
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EGSPC/history?p=%5EGSPC
11/8/16 close: 2140
1/19/17 close: 2264
1/20/17 close: 2271
4/17/20 close: 2875
Since election day: +34.3%
Since 1/20/17: +26.6%

Not hyper-stellar returns considering that its over 3 1/4 years since inauguration day, and nearly 3 1/2 years since election day, but not terrible either. Just a modest 6.4%/year for the Dow and 7.6%/year for the S&P 500 since inauguration day (Annualized average returns not including dividends. Dividends add another 1.5% to 2%/year)

Vanguard S&P 500 Index Fund (VFINX) using adjusted close which includes reinvested dividend distributions
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/VFINX/history?p=VFINX
1/20/17 close: 197.69
4/17/20 close: 265.58
+34.3% (9.5%/year)

(I generally use the last close before inauguration day as my benchmark (1/19/17), but a lot of people prefer to use the inauguration day close (1/20/17). So I present both the 1/19 and 1/20 numbers to satisfy everyone).

Lock him up.

(6,874 posts)
47. CEOs and Board Members used the tax cuts to buy back stocks so...
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 09:55 PM
Apr 2020

... they could cash in bigger bonuses!!

That's how they looted the Treasury...

progree

(10,864 posts)
53. Yes, very good point. The tentative stock market gains have come at a steep cost
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 12:56 AM
Apr 2020

National Debt in $trillions: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
1/20/17: 19.947
4/16/20: 24.465
+22.7%

What really matters is debt to GDP ratio:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEGDQ188S?cid=5
Q1 2017: 103.4%
Q4 2019: 106.8% (Q4 2019 is the latest GDP statistic)

This is a number that is supposed to go down when the economy is "the best we've ever seen" or whatever words the orange fuckwad uses.

Unfortunately the above doesn't capture the C-19 drop in tax revenue and increase in spending.

On April 29 (10 days from now), the first estimate of Q1 2020 GDP is due. That's for the January 1 - March 31, 2020 quarter. That won't show much of the of the C-19 impact. We'll have to wait for late July to see the first estimate of Q2 2020 GDP (April 1 - June 30, 2020).

As for deficits, this is a bit old, but it's what I've got ready-to-go

{#} ACTUAL Federal Spending and Deficits - Fiscal Years 2008 - 2019, in $Billions

Fiscal year 2019 ended September 30, 2019. Similarly for all the other fiscal years.

Note: all figures in this section are actual, not budgeted. I only point out that Bush signed the FY 2009 budget, and that Obama signed the FY 2017 budget.



Again, increasing deficits (in plain old dollars or as a percent of GDP) is not what we're supposed to see in an economy that is "the best we've ever seen".

GReedDiamond

(5,299 posts)
16. "Possible drug shortages..."
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 02:50 PM
Apr 2020

That's already happened with hydroxychloroquine.

My girlfriend was prescribed it for rheumatoid arthritis earlier this year, her first bottle ran out, but the prescription could not be refilled because "president" Motherfucking Asshole Shit-for-brains caused a run on it - plus, I thought I heard the Global Village Idiot spent millions of $$$ buying it all up in bulk for "his" and Jared Fuckwit's "national" stockpile (which the States have no access to, apparently).

The pharmacist confirmed that, and said they have no idea when hydroxychloroquine will be available again.

machoneman

(3,952 posts)
62. Trump Depression is rigth! We need to scream that from the rooftops! Trump Recession....
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 09:55 AM
Apr 2020

Trump Depression, Trump Virus, Trump Kills!

burrowowl

(17,606 posts)
23. When dump is no longer the WH resident
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:25 PM
Apr 2020

he should be tried for:
crimes against humanity
sedition and treason
dereliction of duty
accepting emoluments
etc.
along with his enablers!

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
54. There are a number of Republicans in the House and Senate that should be on trial as well like
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:13 AM
Apr 2020

Nunes and Moscow Mitch.

world wide wally

(21,719 posts)
28. How can Trump be even slightly effective in running for reelection?
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 03:43 PM
Apr 2020

Every last thing he does is counter-intuitive to winning votes. Letting Americans die should lose him votes. Supporting the undermining of local laws should lose him support. Yet he invests in this approach and keeps doubling down.
And his supporters think it's the cat's shit...which they also think is good

bucolic_frolic

(42,676 posts)
34. There's not a lot of slack in a full employment economy
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 04:03 PM
Apr 2020

so the breakdown of systems will create shortage and distribution problems

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
44. Real change is hard. Posts on the internet don't make change.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 08:21 PM
Apr 2020

Real change requires real sacrifice and real hardship. Much more so than most of us are currently experiencing - including myself.

Not talking about asinine protests spouting bullshit conspiracy theories.

Talking about stoppage. Stoppage of everything involving productivity and consumption. If we want real change, it will take real hard work and sacrifice. Hiding behind the sofa now.



My apologies in advance.

I really like the color of the sofa.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
55. Stupid people getting equal whatever is why this world is FUBAR?
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:18 AM
Apr 2020

...nutshell version...



Now how do you deal with this conundrum?

mvd

(65,148 posts)
57. Right on. I know it is hard, but we aren't near out of it
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:26 AM
Apr 2020

There are still hot spots. Camden has grown a lot, and my township in Montgomery County PA is up to 83 cases and 11 deaths. It feels safe where I go, but you never know. Places like NY and PA which have flattened the curve overall could go way up again.

SWBTATTReg

(21,859 posts)
63. No, the ones that will save our Country is US.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:10 AM
Apr 2020

Regardless of the so called worthless president, regardless of who the governor is, regardless of who is in the Senate or House, I'll will still protect my loved ones and friends w/ every OZ of energy I have, and won't ever give up. I think it's a little extreme to tout a few major time governors (and they are, don't get me wrong), it's just all of us, doing our part, are doing by far the most in fighting this thing.

NNadir

(33,368 posts)
64. Well, I guess this is what the "Again" in "Make America Great" comes down to.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:27 AM
Apr 2020

In their world, apparently the Great Depression was great.

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