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bigtree

(85,919 posts)
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:53 PM May 2020

Gov. Hogan looks like he's done with concern over testing Marylanders, angling to open our state

Hogan saying he needs to see 'a few more days' of what he says are downward trends shows how eager he is to pull the rug out from under those Marylanders whose workplaces still carry un acceptable risk. I have to think it's more about paying workers unemployment benefits, than any sound policy focused on our safety.



What's become of testing Marylanders outside of these 'hot spots?' What we know about asymptomatic infections should give pause to any assertion that numbers of infected residents are going down. It's impossible to tell how many have contracted the virus with only 500k (and dropping) test kits that he's been bragging about - it's a farce.

Why isn't Md. testing grocery store workers, for instance? So much public traffic is focused on grocery stores. Neglecting to test workers provides a hidden threat, waiting, I suppose, for some tragic turn to draw the governor's attention. That's not proactive, it's folly.

Further, we've yet to see the impact of the outbreaks in nursing homes and meat plants in the state. The governor's myopic focus on the numbers he says are declining ignore the impact we should expect in these workers' communities, among families and friends.

You want to mingle with an infected poultry plant worker at the beach? A nursing or retirement home resident fresh out from one of the states' hundreds of outbreak sites?

What happened to determining whether reinfection can occur? What about the murky immunity question?

I'm a night grocery worker and tomorrow our store will test every worker's temp before their shift. That's fine, but wholly inadequate to anyone actually concerned with how many workers have been infected. Right now, Gov. Hogan is transitioning to a crap shoot. Russian roulette. His true republican self back in action, it seems.









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Gov. Hogan looks like he's done with concern over testing Marylanders, angling to open our state (Original Post) bigtree May 2020 OP
They are going full Stalin on us. Initech May 2020 #1
I think we should focus on the states staying closed jimfields33 May 2020 #4
Stalinist, golf, play tennis, go boating, fishing and camping and outdoor activities? elleng May 2020 #9
There's going to be employees needed to operate those activities. Initech May 2020 #10
Wouldn't They Be Among The Safest Workers? ProfessorGAC May 2020 #12
No, not in a marina or club shop. My experience on a sunny day they're always packed uponit7771 May 2020 #20
Clubhouses Can Easily Be Kept... ProfessorGAC May 2020 #26
'The stay at home order, however, is still active. elleng May 2020 #2
it doesn't sound like he's going to wait for adequate testing bigtree May 2020 #5
There are sure as fuck no downward trends in my MD county! 50 Shades Of Blue May 2020 #3
Ocean City is in Worcester County. elleng May 2020 #6
+1, and this is the MOST disappointing thing about Birx; they WOULD NOT define "adequate testing" uponit7771 May 2020 #21
'golf, play tennis, go boating, fishing and camping, outdoor activities.' elleng May 2020 #7
respond to the person who called it 'stalinist' then bigtree May 2020 #8
Those activities are low risk, except when people abuse them...like the beaches LeftInTX May 2020 #11
Right, and he's hoping people don't abuse them; elleng May 2020 #13
This is not rational human behavior expectations relative to facts. Its the same as thinking my 9 yr uponit7771 May 2020 #22
Most of us, the people of Maryland, are not 9 year olds. elleng May 2020 #24
True, all of Marylanders are human though. Expecting groups of humans to act in a way that they do.. uponit7771 May 2020 #25
. bigtree May 2020 #14
heck of a response on this thread bigtree May 2020 #15
No testing coming. There is no plan JCMach1 May 2020 #16
you make a trumpian list of dubious accomplishments bigtree May 2020 #17
Now if you are a blue governor... JCMach1 May 2020 #18
My old, late co-worker once told me, bigtree May 2020 #19
You scream loud and often on every media outlet you can? tia uponit7771 May 2020 #23
Based on the incompetence of this country, my pessimism is taking over. theaocp May 2020 #27

Initech

(99,915 posts)
1. They are going full Stalin on us.
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:56 PM
May 2020

Stalin chose labor and aggressive industrialization over the health and well being of his citizens, and millions of Russians died in the process. Seems we're heading that way.

jimfields33

(15,473 posts)
4. I think we should focus on the states staying closed
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:12 PM
May 2020

It’s a handful from what news reports are saying. It’s like in a week everything went perfect and most states are opening at least partially.

Initech

(99,915 posts)
10. There's going to be employees needed to operate those activities.
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:31 PM
May 2020

Those golf course lawns don't landscape themselves.

ProfessorGAC

(64,425 posts)
12. Wouldn't They Be Among The Safest Workers?
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:50 PM
May 2020

People on greenskeeping staffs seldom get within 100 feet of anybody else.
A guy cutting a green, might be more like 100 yards of anybody else.
If these people can go back to work, because they need the money to live, they seem like they'd be among those we need to worry about least.
Stylists, wait staff, kitchen help, and the like are a much greater concern. You can't hand someone their plate of food from 6' away!

ProfessorGAC

(64,425 posts)
26. Clubhouses Can Easily Be Kept...
Thu May 7, 2020, 07:07 AM
May 2020

...to "in & out". No gathering. Besides, the question was about landscaping the course, not the clubhouse.

elleng

(130,156 posts)
2. 'The stay at home order, however, is still active.
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:01 PM
May 2020

Hogan said people would continue to social distance and wear masks when it makes sense.

“As long as Marylanders continue to take personal responsibility, continue to practice social distancing and continue to follow the guidance from public health officials,” Hogan said the numbers will continue to decrease and the state will get closer to reopening.'

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/05/06/coronavirus-latest-some-outdoor-activities-restrictions-lifted-in-maryland-starting-thursday/

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
5. it doesn't sound like he's going to wait for adequate testing
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:16 PM
May 2020

...so I have to wonder how reliable the numbers of infected cited are.

He's angling to open without a true representation of our state's infection rate. It's not even close to adequate to make decisions about relaxing restrictions, but he's pressing forward anyway. It went from weeks of concerns expressed over testing, to satisfaction that the measly number of test kits he got are enough to make these broad assumptions of risk - 500k in a state of 6 million.

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,777 posts)
3. There are sure as fuck no downward trends in my MD county!
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:01 PM
May 2020

5,790 cases today.
5,541 cases yesterday.
5,384 cases Monday.
5,150 Sunday.
4,919 Saturday.
And so on... a week ago today there were 4,152.

Sound like a downward trend to you, Gov. Hogan?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
21. +1, and this is the MOST disappointing thing about Birx; they WOULD NOT define "adequate testing"
Thu May 7, 2020, 02:57 AM
May 2020

... meant which it should be at county level and be 2% weekly random test on top of symptomatic and front line.

Hell, after that what else is there outside of testing ever person?

These people will cut their nose off to spite their faces

elleng

(130,156 posts)
7. 'golf, play tennis, go boating, fishing and camping, outdoor activities.'
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:24 PM
May 2020

'Starting at 7 a.m. on Thursday, May 7 Marylanders can now golf, play tennis, go boating, fishing and camping and participate in other outdoor activities. The state will also reopen its state parks and beaches.'

This is not wild crazy or stalinist, it sounds rational to me, and depends on good sense of people. I hope it exists.

Sorry to those who disagree.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
8. respond to the person who called it 'stalinist' then
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:26 PM
May 2020

...I made specific points, none of which you addressed.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
22. This is not rational human behavior expectations relative to facts. Its the same as thinking my 9 yr
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:01 AM
May 2020

... old would continue to do his math work if I left the room with his sister in it.

They'll do good for 20 minutes after that the room would be a wreck and no math work would get done.

Cause that's what 9 yr olds do

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
25. True, all of Marylanders are human though. Expecting groups of humans to act in a way that they do..
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:11 AM
May 2020

... not act as a normal pattern is not sound thinking.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
17. you make a trumpian list of dubious accomplishments
Wed May 6, 2020, 08:55 PM
May 2020

...like touting 500k tests in a state of 6 million as 'more than any other state,' and pretend it's adequate.



JCMach1

(27,544 posts)
18. Now if you are a blue governor...
Thu May 7, 2020, 02:15 AM
May 2020

I guess it comes back to do as little harm and as much good as possible.

The national failure makes any good hard to come by...

theaocp

(4,223 posts)
27. Based on the incompetence of this country, my pessimism is taking over.
Thu May 7, 2020, 07:49 AM
May 2020

I'm leaning more and more toward mortality acceptance. I feel my normal shifting like a slow motion landslide under my feet. It's awful.

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