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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAhmaud Arbery's killer at KKK rally in full uniform pics and video
No surprise. Sick.
Link to tweet
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jcgoldie
(11,584 posts)...on the Matlock reruns they call that a motive!
Yes, they indeed do...
gibraltar72
(7,486 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)We've been down this route before - and our eyes have deceived us. In some of those instances, innocent people have been hurt by society's collective rush to judgment.
(Good thing in this case there don't appear to be any innocent people . . . but it would be nice to have actual confirmation.)
ETA: Apparently there is at least one innocent person who is the victim of mistaken identity:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007107258483
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That earlobe is pretty distinctive.
dalton99a
(81,091 posts)Biometrics software can do it with 99.6 percent accuracy
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)The general population of DU does not comprise biometrics software.
We're just too eager around here to jump on bandwagons that confirm our biases.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)But even if we saw a profile of the real deal, I'd want more than eyeballing it to confirm.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,790 posts)This.
ornotna
(10,763 posts)in those pics are not victims. They're KKK, fuck 'em all.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)And 100% of those people still aren't victims. Was I unclear?
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)- including that there were no victims here - by pointing out that there were no victims here.
ornotna
(10,763 posts)Sorry you took that as criticism of your post. I was merely pointing out that all those participants in a Klan rally were Klan scum doing their Klan things. Do you think any of them were victims?
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)Unfortunately, I'm a bit twitchy recently because of some relatively nasty responses to my posts.
If you were agreeing with what I said, I apologize for reacting as if you were being critical.
ornotna
(10,763 posts)I hold Nazis and KKK with with equal disdain. Disgusting evil pricks. We're good.
IronLionZion
(45,269 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)Don't know about you, but I hold myself to a lot higher standards.
IronLionZion
(45,269 posts)is different from running down a person and executing them on the street. No action was taken by local police on this February murder until a video was publicized to force action from the state government.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)***without investigation to determine it is true *** and helping an image go viral that perpetuates that assertion can contribute to persecution of people who have nothign to do with the terrorist group.
Remember this:
https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/08/17/543980653/kyle-quinn-hid-at-a-friend-s-house-after-being-misidentified-on-twitter-as-a-rac
The fact that the consequences of acting on a whim are likely less disastrous in htis case, because attending KKK rallies is pretty vile behavior, doesn't change the principle. Your suspicion needs to be some indicia of reliability before you act - especially if your acts have the potential for harmful consequences for others (like repeating viral rumors, or (at the extreme) killing them).
Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)unless the photo is so out of focus/pixelated that it completely blurred a relatively recent one.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Celerity
(42,674 posts)Johnny2X2X
(18,747 posts)If its a tattoo and he no longer has it its not him and Ill correct this post. But he doesnt deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)https://sanduskyregister.com/news/4838/boy-suffers-harassment-after-mistaken-identity/
https://www.wired.com/story/doxing-charlottesville/
It isn't McMichael you're giving the benefit of the doubt to - it is the reality that mistaken identities that go viral on the internet destroy lives.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Whose reputation are we concerned about? Falsely associating a militant racist with a racist murderer, or the other way around?
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)that end up with innocent people being stalked on the internet or in real life.
Although in this case - I guess both. I suppose there might be KKK members who don't advocate muder to further their racist agenda (so to be mistaken as an actual murder might damage his reputation), and it'a possible that the racist murderer is offended by the KKK (so mistaking him as a KKK member might damage his reputation).
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And I dont think anyone else should.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Needs to be proven. Though, him or not, it is clear he is a racist.
tulipsandroses
(5,094 posts)Its like the media still looking for the Apprentice tape of Trump saying the N word. We don't need that tape to see that Trump is racist.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)This was a hate crime
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,153 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)My issue is solely as to rushing to judgment about his participation in a KKK rally (regardless of whether the belief about the character of the individual involved is accurate) based on being a somewhat overweight older man with facial hair.
Alex4Martinez
(2,180 posts)Fuckers, stereotyping works both ways.
To be honest, I wouldn't go so far as to call these pictures conclusive. The ear lobe and tattoo are a problem.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)or fine people on both sides?
Cha
(295,929 posts)TNNurse
(6,911 posts)but he and his murderous son could not tell they were following a guilty man either....so same level of ID.
Quixote1818
(28,904 posts)That is not a very common feature. If you look close he has it on both sides and the profile has it.
mysteryowl
(7,323 posts)So, these people cannot be charged with a hate crime.
Georgia needs to surrender the confederacy and start living in today's world.
lame54
(35,141 posts)writes3000
(4,734 posts)Just as in 2016, Putin and his operatives want to stir up racial antagonism in the US. Thats what helped Trump thrive.
No offense to you, OP. I think we all have to be on guard though.
ramblin_dave
(1,546 posts)The person with Gov. Kemp was revealed to be someone else...
So don't accept any photo without corroboration.
Fla Dem
(23,354 posts)doc03
(35,151 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)marieo1
(1,402 posts)Figures, they are all the same. Where did these idiots come from............oh, I know, we have one in the Whitehouse, and he has given permission to all the looney tunies.
Iggo
(47,489 posts)When you get right down to it, it's always Nazis, Skinheads, or The Klan.
(Almost always. Sometimes it's just the cops.)