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Sun May 17, 2020, 05:31 PM

Coronavirus has devastated Moscow. Now it's spreading across Russia's 11 time zones to ill-funded re

(CNN)Russia hit a grim Covid-19 milestone this week: According to Johns Hopkins University, the country now ranks second in the world for confirmed coronavirus cases.

The Russian capital has been hardest hit. Of Russia's total of 281,752 confirmed cases, over half -- 142,824 -- are in Moscow, the country's coronavirus headquarters said Sunday. But the virus is now spreading across Russia's regions, an enormous landmass that covers 11 time zones and includes some of the country's most remote and impoverished places.

(CNN)Russia hit a grim Covid-19 milestone this week: According to Johns Hopkins University, the country now ranks second in the world for confirmed coronavirus cases.

The Russian capital has been hardest hit. Of Russia's total of 281,752 confirmed cases, over half -- 142,824 -- are in Moscow, the country's coronavirus headquarters said Sunday. But the virus is now spreading across Russia's regions, an enormous landmass that covers 11 time zones and includes some of the country's most remote and impoverished places.

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Reply Coronavirus has devastated Moscow. Now it's spreading across Russia's 11 time zones to ill-funded re (Original post)
yuiyoshida May 2020 OP
C_U_L8R May 2020 #1
yuiyoshida May 2020 #2
tblue37 May 2020 #23
LisaL May 2020 #3
Hermit-The-Prog May 2020 #22
Igel May 2020 #29
Hermit-The-Prog May 2020 #34
ALBliberal May 2020 #12
ananda May 2020 #16
DENVERPOPS May 2020 #26
Igel May 2020 #30
tanyev May 2020 #4
FarPoint May 2020 #7
jrthin May 2020 #18
DENVERPOPS May 2020 #27
BannonsLiver May 2020 #15
kimbutgar May 2020 #5
BComplex May 2020 #8
Brainfodder May 2020 #6
Miigwech May 2020 #9
Salviati May 2020 #10
VladmireTrumpkins May 2020 #11
BannonsLiver May 2020 #13
BannonsLiver May 2020 #19
Igel May 2020 #31
BannonsLiver May 2020 #36
Hav May 2020 #25
VladmireTrumpkins May 2020 #37
BannonsLiver May 2020 #14
mvd May 2020 #17
Crunchy Frog May 2020 #20
progressoid May 2020 #33
Crunchy Frog May 2020 #35
Brother Mythos May 2020 #21
Igel May 2020 #32
GaYellowDawg May 2020 #24
Tarc May 2020 #28

Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:32 PM

1. It seems this virus has an appetite for authoritarian regimes.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:34 PM

2. Good, lets hope the virus takes out

Duarte, Putin, Kim Jong Il and Trump/Pence.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #2)

Sun May 17, 2020, 07:24 PM

23. And Bolsonaro in Brazil. nt

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:35 PM

3. Virus couldn't care less which regime the country has.

Large cities in Russia have high population density. A lot of people use public transportation. The weather is not hot. So basically ideal conditions for it to spread.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #3)

Sun May 17, 2020, 07:22 PM

22. South Korea has about 15 times the population density of the U.S.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #22)

Sun May 17, 2020, 10:30 PM

29. Nice, but not very relevant.

That's comparing averages for the whole country. It's like saying average eye color is hazel if 50% are blue and 50% are brown.

Seoul's pop density is 42,000/sq mi, NYC's is 67,000/sq mi.

Hong Kong's worse. Pop density matters, but it's not the end-all of the discussion.

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Response to Igel (Reply #29)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:41 PM

34. Where do you get your figures?

According to this:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/seoul-population/

Seoul has twice the population density of NYC.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:36 PM

12. Ok I am sensing some nuance humor and am laughing thanks for that

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:54 PM

16. Yup. Brazil is also moving up fast.

USA, Russia, Brazil, and the UK -- fastest growing rates.

And horrible governments.

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Response to ananda (Reply #16)

Sun May 17, 2020, 08:26 PM

26. What about India...???????????

Oh, my. The zillions of people living elbow to elbow in poverty, no real healthcare of any kind for their lower classes.......

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #26)

Sun May 17, 2020, 10:38 PM

30. 1,600 tests/ 1 M population.

You don't test, you don't find what's there. (You test a lot, you find a lot of what's there.)

Not sure about reporting requirements--what's required for a COVID-related death?

If you die but aren't tested, are you obligatorily not COVID?

If you get drunk and die in a car crash, but tested positive, is that a COVID death?

We like to think we're modern. And we pitch a fit to find out that "modern" isn't state-of-the-art everything that we think is standard when it's damned weird in much of the world. A perception shift is in order among the WEIRDs, but it's an article of faith, almost absolutist in its fundamentalism, and won't shift.

We don't know the actual death toll from the Spanish flu. We won't ever actually know the COVID-19 death toll. (But at least we have a much less offensive name. COVID-19 and SARS-CoV-2.)

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:36 PM

4. Do the troll farms work in close quarters or do they all work from home?

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Response to tanyev (Reply #4)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:51 PM

7. Very interesting question...

Maybe things will be better for our election ..

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #7)

Sun May 17, 2020, 07:08 PM

18. One can hope that Covid will keep Putin busy.

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Response to jrthin (Reply #18)

Sun May 17, 2020, 08:30 PM

27. Not a frikkin chance

The RepubliCONs, Trump, and his spawn, have all stepped up their game these past three to four days.
Putin is probably ignoring his own people, to spend all his psycopath time obsessed with destroying America.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #4)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:52 PM

15. Ask respondent 11

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:37 PM

5. I hope those Russian computer hackers are affected

Hopefully it will get so bad that Putin won’t have time to help his orange evil phat pfuk during the election.

And this might be the thing that takes down putin finally.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #5)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:01 PM

8. Plus, I home Anonymous is looking out for a fair election.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:39 PM

6. KARMA?

I suggest Death Count Donnie go visit his master baiter and stay awhile, like at least 6.5 months?


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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:04 PM

9. If you need help Russia, call trump, he alone can fix it

 

This is the DU member formerly known as Miigwech.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:05 PM

10. That and the collapse of oil prices...

I would hope vlad will have his hands full with trouble at home, but we shouldn't count on it...

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:07 PM

11. Defense of Russia

I have a friends in Russia.. DONT BLAME THEM!! They have no choice ,,,they are enslaved by a hateful regime and they have no say in what goes on.. Blame Americans who are free..( so far) to decide on their leaders .. but they voted to reelect a man (Bush) who lied to get them in a war for false reasons.

Americans knew what Trump was and still voted for him...they are free to read what a liar he is and no one is preventing them from doing that..yet 40% are fine with him and him and all he stands for

So say what you want about Russians but dont look down on them ..not as long as such a large percent of Americans support this con man.,a failed cassino operator, self admitted sexual predator and racist naricissist and his party ignore lawful subpeonas and suppress witnesses and threaten to imprison dissenters.


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Response to VladmireTrumpkins (Reply #11)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:50 PM

13. ...



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Response to VladmireTrumpkins (Reply #11)

Sun May 17, 2020, 07:09 PM

19. And just to refute this horseshit narrative

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #19)

Sun May 17, 2020, 10:41 PM

31. You want Russian statistical stuff based on surveys,

you go to the Levada Center.

https://www.levada.ru/en/

Everything else is derivative and copied from them.

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Response to Igel (Reply #31)

Mon May 18, 2020, 01:04 AM

36. Yes. Same numbers.

Thanks.

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Response to VladmireTrumpkins (Reply #11)

Sun May 17, 2020, 07:41 PM

25. That friend in Russia, is that your RL friend? Family? Maybe your neighbor?

In theory, Russians have a choice as well. There might have been election fraud in Russia but he still has more than enough support from the people. One reason that I heard is similar to the simple-minded thinking of the Maggats: He makes them feel strong. Under Putin, they think Russia is powerful again.

I'd agree that Putin's incompetent handling of this crisis, just like Trump's, leads to the deaths of innocent people and that's not something to laugh about. But don't try to argue that one country deserves to reap the consequences of their choice during an election while another country doesn't.
Trump also wasn't reelected so far. On the other side, Putin is a murderous thug who defrauds his country and whose critics get executed in broad daylight. And he still wins election after election. But sure, poor Russians have no choice.

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Response to Hav (Reply #25)

Mon May 18, 2020, 04:16 PM

37. You think there are fair elections in Russia?

There is a lot of opposition to Putin in Russia,,but my point is that Americans are free to vote as they wish.. In Russia there are sham elections

and I will admit my survey and information comes from only three people.. one in Moscow and two in St Petersburg

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:50 PM

14. Thoughts and prayers.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:56 PM

17. So number 1 and 2 are Trump and Putin's countries

No surprise as they are 2 of the worst “leaders”.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 07:10 PM

20. And miraculously, almost no deaths!

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #20)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:28 PM

33. It's the vodka.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #33)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:49 PM

35. So drinking disinfectant really does work!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 07:18 PM

21. I've been watching the spread of the Coronavirus on worldometer ...

for quite a while. Compared to most countries, the reported number of Russian deaths does not look anywhere near right to me. The reported number of deaths appears to be extremely low compared to the reported number of cases.

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Response to Brother Mythos (Reply #21)

Sun May 17, 2020, 10:48 PM

32. People don't know their data.

Understanding data is hard work.

Here's what to know about Russia: Resources go to what's important. Where are the important people, whose support really matters?

In the USSR, you wanted to be in a few cities. M., L., perhaps Kiev. Tula, Kazan', Voronezh, all second class. Then there were the 3rd and 4th class cities. You needed a residence permit to live or work in a city, and those for Moscow and Leningrad were hard to come by.

They were powerful. Had better food. Entertainment. Resources were spent on them. Reporters from the west were there, sure, but also they were the center of power and what was good for Moscow was good for the leaders.

It hasn't changed. If there are 1 million test kits in Russia, a disproportionate share will go to M and SP. Kamenetsk can have a 100% fatality rate and the folk in M wouldn't bat an eye.

Truth is also weird. Truth always has a government bias. If it doesn't, it doesn't count as truth. Some things get ignored, many things get spun, a few things get falsified. It's how it works when politics overrides a commitment to truth. You get truthiness, and you develop a keen nose for things that don't fit because those might be mistakes or they may be mistaken true facts that slip out.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 07:26 PM

24. I wish it would infect and kill Putin and all his fucking trolls.

Would the world EVER be a better place for it.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 08:57 PM

28. Thoughts & Prayers

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