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Mon May 25, 2020, 09:29 AM

***WARNING*** Please be careful of national level CV19 reports that still include NY Metro.

Last edited Mon May 25, 2020, 11:01 AM - Edit history (2)

Read on this site and have seen multiple lazy assed M$M reports of falling cases nationally without extracting the skewing data from NY Metro.

EDIT: For the next month or so look at hospitalization numbers ... they're harder to obfuscate and tell a better bottom line story of a county or state getting lit up.

If anyone knows of a site that list hospitalizations on a granular level please let me know

1. Multiple sources report New York metro is skewing national results because the size of the outbreak in that area.
2. COVIDACTNOW.org showing 90% of reporting counties with an Ro >1, meaning infection rates still growing in those areas
3. Same site is also showing 90% of counties without a proper positive test rate so don't eat the "we're testing more" crap

IIRC Even Quomo showed the national numbers with NY metro extracted during his daily update and the cases nationally were still rising (relative national Ro > 1 sans NY metro)



- Great article on how loosening current NPI levels aren't going to save the economy historically
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-economy-will-have-a-much-smallerthanexpected-impact-experts-argue-120701242.html

- Great article on how loose NPI in Sweden didn't help their economy more than their neighbors now.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html

I don't know what this is about cause it sure aint the economy but it looks and sounds funny how there are multiple sources attempting to convince folk things are OK or getting better.

At best its staying the same outside of NY metro and same is bad

Be careful, wear a mask if you got to get close to folk and don't touch your face no matter what.

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Reply ***WARNING*** Please be careful of national level CV19 reports that still include NY Metro. (Original post)
uponit7771 May 2020 OP
Alex4Martinez May 2020 #1
jmg257 May 2020 #2
PJMcK May 2020 #3
uponit7771 May 2020 #8
Arkansas Granny May 2020 #4
LiberalArkie May 2020 #5
Arkansas Granny May 2020 #12
LiberalArkie May 2020 #16
uponit7771 May 2020 #9
Blue_true May 2020 #13
Squinch May 2020 #6
uponit7771 May 2020 #14
Blue_true May 2020 #17
Silent3 May 2020 #7
Blue_true May 2020 #18
Silent3 May 2020 #20
uponit7771 May 2020 #21
shockey80 May 2020 #10
Blue_true May 2020 #19
Blue_true May 2020 #11
Kid Berwyn May 2020 #15

Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:32 AM

1. Excellent point. Thank you. K/R eom

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:32 AM

2. Excellent info - thanks so much!

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:45 AM

3. Trump and many Republican leaders are lying about the virus

How will they rationalize the increases in cases and deaths in the coming weeks?

There's a sad irony in that by re-opening for the Memorial Day weekend with so many people giving up on the social distancing and use of masks, by the Fourth of July we'll be seeing much more sickness and death. Trump is even ruining our national holidays.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #3)

Mon May 25, 2020, 10:49 AM

8. +1, they're claiming its because of an increase in testing but leaving out its not par positive test

... rates.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 10:21 AM

4. I've been watching a tracking site for Arkansas. I'm sure some of the increase

in cases is due to increased testing, but the number of people hospitalized has also been rising. This concerns me even though we haven't seen the numbers that many states have. We're reopening even though CV19 is still on the rise.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #5)

Mon May 25, 2020, 10:57 AM

12. I've been watching this site.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #12)

Mon May 25, 2020, 11:05 AM

16. The only reason I think that Perry is low is we have no large employers.

Just about every one works somewhere else. When the cube farms (Corporations in LR) really open up I expect to to start really moving along.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Mon May 25, 2020, 10:51 AM

9. +1, I'll update the OP ... this is VERY true to look at hospitalized in the area

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Mon May 25, 2020, 11:00 AM

13. The Arkansas governor seems like a strange bird.

He is doing stupid stuff on reopening, but at the same time lecturing people on getting involved with thoughtless big group events. He evidences the have it both ways that republicans seem to be using on going after this crisis.

I get it. The country can not remain locked down. But at the same time, promoting known benefits like proper mask wearing and social distancing would allow the country to open back up without major damage.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 10:37 AM

6. And uponit7771, don't forget that "rest of the US" includes CT and NJ

which, due to their proximity to NY also had big outbreaks and also have been as strict as we in NY have been. Both those states' numbers are also dropping like stones.

So if you take the NY "tristate area" out of this, the numbers for the rest of the country look even worse.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #6)

Mon May 25, 2020, 11:00 AM

14. Thx ... so it sounds like I should say NY Tristate Area instead of NY Metro. I didn't know CT was

... a part of the megalopolis very interesting.

"opening up" isn't going to save the economy, getting people ready access to quick testing is.

I wouldn't be shocked if Trump was working directly with Putin

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #14)

Mon May 25, 2020, 11:08 AM

17. Many people in Conn commute to NYC to jobs in fashion, publishing,

advertising, law and the finance industry. I believe that one of our own DU members is an owner or high executive in the fashion industry in NYC who said that her home is somewhere in Conn. So yeah, people in Conn were directly in the path of the issues with the virus in NYC - in fact, I believe one of the first cluster outbreaks happened in Conn after some highend social gathering.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 10:43 AM

7. And imagine if we had REAL numbers from Florida

It sounds like there's good evidence they're cooking the books there, refusing to test and count many cases.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #7)

Mon May 25, 2020, 11:10 AM

18. DeSantis can't hide dead people from their families and friends.

People generally have a good feel for how a relative or friend died. Also, I believe that ethical Nurses and Doctors will let family know the real details.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #18)

Mon May 25, 2020, 12:22 PM

20. No, but when someone dies and isn't tested for COVID...

...no matter what the doctors and nurses and loved ones believe to be the true cause of death, that death won't make it into the official statistics.

Eventually someone will calculate the "excess death" rate and we'll be able to make a good estimate of the real death toll from COVID, but that's not going to appear in current official statistics, or probably any time soon in Florida's official statistics.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #18)

Mon May 25, 2020, 12:22 PM

21. +1, he'll try and hide the death count by the hospitalizations is even harder. Too many people

... to have to go along with it to fake those numbers

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 10:52 AM

10. You can't cover up a pandemic for long. The truth will come out.

 

Republicans are fucking stupid.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #10)

Mon May 25, 2020, 11:11 AM

19. Yes and yes!!! nt

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 10:54 AM

11. Very solid points that you made. nt

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 11:03 AM

15. It ain't over, by a moon shot.

‘We’re just in the second inning’: Kashkari, Osterholm offer bleak assessment of what is yet to be wrought by COVID-19

https://www.minnpost.com/health/2020/05/were-just-in-the-second-inning-kashkari-osterholm-offer-bleak-assessment-of-what-is-yet-to-be-wrought-by-covid-19/

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