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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:48 PM Jun 2020

ANTIFA is the avowed foe of Nazi's, the KKK, and White Supremacy.

They are also the only supposed "agitators" that Barr and Trump call terrorists and plan to crack down on. Who do you suppose that helps clear the way for?

If ANTIFA is hunted down by his Justice Department lackey, the next time the far right plans a march in Charlottesville Trump won't have to grudgingly say there were "good people" on both sides.

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ANTIFA is the avowed foe of Nazi's, the KKK, and White Supremacy. (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 OP
I've honestly been wondering if Gavin McInnes pulls the strings... Initech Jun 2020 #1
OR.... Caliman73 Jun 2020 #2
This. n/t Jamastiene Jun 2020 #5
I'd much rather stand with Antifa. backscatter712 Jun 2020 #9
I didn't realize that was their stated end game. Maybe Antifa isn't so great after all. BComplex Jun 2020 #16
If the Proud Boys make pulic plans, ANTIFA will be on them, same as with the Klan Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #3
I doubt it. The problem is that people get antifa octoberlib Jun 2020 #10
I find it interesting that Barr doesn't mention either Black Bloc, or Nazi's and White Power forces Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #13
Yep. Probably because it makes it easier to just octoberlib Jun 2020 #17
Black Bloc is a tactic, not an organization. backscatter712 Jun 2020 #15
Antifa is based on the successful tactics of 1930s British anti-fascists DBoon Jun 2020 #4
Who, on this Democratic site, has ever met anyone who belonged or knew anyone Squinch Jun 2020 #6
When I lived in San Francisco decades past there was a loose grapevine Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #11
Well, there's no actual organization. backscatter712 Jun 2020 #14
Or they can march under that banner if they want to ratfuck the left. Squinch Jun 2020 #19
A generation of anti-fascists beat back Nazi Germany and its allies The Blue Flower Jun 2020 #7
Think they would join Antifa? I know my dad and uncle wouldn't (usmc) jmg257 Jun 2020 #8
The French Resistance was antifa. People lionize octoberlib Jun 2020 #12
K&R for the post and the discussion. crickets Jun 2020 #18
Justice ignores Barr. pwb Jun 2020 #20

Initech

(99,915 posts)
1. I've honestly been wondering if Gavin McInnes pulls the strings...
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:51 PM
Jun 2020

For both the Proud Boys and Antifa. It seems no matter where the Proud Boys go - whether it's a bar at night or a rally during the day, Antifa shows up to beat the shit out of them in an almost perfectly timed publicity stunt.

Caliman73

(11,694 posts)
2. OR....
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:59 PM
Jun 2020

It could be that there are honestly people who see Fascism as such a threat that they are willing to confront it.

The problem with Antifa affiliated groups is that they are usually far left groups who believe that Capitalism promotes a rightward movement toward fascism. They seek to disrupt the prevailing system which is a threat not only to fascists but to all Capitalists.

The Proud Boys would like nothing better than for Antifa affiliated groups to be destroyed so that they can pick on "weak liberal snowflakes" at protests without fear of being punched back.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
9. I'd much rather stand with Antifa.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:23 PM
Jun 2020

Why are we still seeing the bullshit demonization of Antifa here?

The only ones demonizing Antifa are Trump, his bleach-drinkers, and the alt-right nazi chuds.

People on DU need to stop spreading alt-right bullshit.

BComplex

(7,984 posts)
16. I didn't realize that was their stated end game. Maybe Antifa isn't so great after all.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:34 PM
Jun 2020

However, anyone who is anti fascism is moving in the right direction.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
3. If the Proud Boys make pulic plans, ANTIFA will be on them, same as with the Klan
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:59 PM
Jun 2020

ANTIFA monitors the plans of far right groups and shows up where they gather. That is what they do.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
10. I doubt it. The problem is that people get antifa
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:24 PM
Jun 2020

confused with Black Bloc anarchists, who swoop in , destroy property then run away , leaving protesters holding the bag.


Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
13. I find it interesting that Barr doesn't mention either Black Bloc, or Nazi's and White Power forces
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:29 PM
Jun 2020

He just keys in on the group that most actively resists the Far Right.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
17. Yep. Probably because it makes it easier to just
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:34 PM
Jun 2020

arrest anyone who shows up to protest by calling them anti-fascists.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
15. Black Bloc is a tactic, not an organization.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jun 2020

It's basically the tactics of dressing in black, covering one's face, and doing various things at protests, rallies, and riot.

The problem is that this tactic is used both by the good guys and the provocateurs and opportunists.

Usually they're opportunistic looters, or alt-right chud or even police provocateurs.

DBoon

(22,288 posts)
4. Antifa is based on the successful tactics of 1930s British anti-fascists
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:06 PM
Jun 2020

Fascists worship violence and strength. Reasoning, discussion, rule of law, are all seen as weakness by fascists.

British anti-fascists figured that if they confronted fascists using methods they understood, then the anti-fascists would succeed.

It worked.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
6. Who, on this Democratic site, has ever met anyone who belonged or knew anyone
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:12 PM
Jun 2020

who belonged, or had any friend of a friend who belonged, to ANTIFA?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
11. When I lived in San Francisco decades past there was a loose grapevine
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:25 PM
Jun 2020

of activists who would mobilize to confront well known far right figures when they planned to do public events in the Bay Area. I don't remember the name ANTIFA being used, but it was loosely organized at best. The word would just go out and people would show up to counter demonstrate, not looking for a fight but just to be vocal and visible to counter fascist messages. Yes, leftist activists were involved; ant-war people, pro social justice and the like.

From what little I can gather ANTIFA is just a little bit more organized then that, in that they actively monitor what the Far Right is doing, to anticipate when the Right is trying to make a show of force. And they knowingly will counter personal violence with force when they see it. The people I knew back then didn't prepare for that contingency. That said, I don't think those who openly associate with ANTIFA initiate confrontations. They militantly assemble as a counter force to deny the Right an uncontested stage to spew hate on.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
14. Well, there's no actual organization.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jun 2020

No Antifa non-profit, no Antifa fan club, no HQ, no membership cards.

Antifa is a banner under which pretty much anyone can march, if they want to stand against fascism.

You're against fascism, aren't you? If you don't like fascists, that makes you antifa, if not Antifa.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
19. Or they can march under that banner if they want to ratfuck the left.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jun 2020

You're against ratfucking the left, aren't you?

I've never come across an actual person on the left who knew anything first person about antifa.

The Blue Flower

(5,420 posts)
7. A generation of anti-fascists beat back Nazi Germany and its allies
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:20 PM
Jun 2020

I'm proud to say my dad and uncles belonged to that group.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
8. Think they would join Antifa? I know my dad and uncle wouldn't (usmc)
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:22 PM
Jun 2020

I think
They’d be
Quite opposed to their methods.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
12. The French Resistance was antifa. People lionize
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jun 2020

them when they punch Richard Spencer but find them annoying when trying to hold a peaceful protest.

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