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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsANTIFA is the avowed foe of Nazi's, the KKK, and White Supremacy.
They are also the only supposed "agitators" that Barr and Trump call terrorists and plan to crack down on. Who do you suppose that helps clear the way for?
If ANTIFA is hunted down by his Justice Department lackey, the next time the far right plans a march in Charlottesville Trump won't have to grudgingly say there were "good people" on both sides.
Initech
(99,915 posts)For both the Proud Boys and Antifa. It seems no matter where the Proud Boys go - whether it's a bar at night or a rally during the day, Antifa shows up to beat the shit out of them in an almost perfectly timed publicity stunt.
It could be that there are honestly people who see Fascism as such a threat that they are willing to confront it.
The problem with Antifa affiliated groups is that they are usually far left groups who believe that Capitalism promotes a rightward movement toward fascism. They seek to disrupt the prevailing system which is a threat not only to fascists but to all Capitalists.
The Proud Boys would like nothing better than for Antifa affiliated groups to be destroyed so that they can pick on "weak liberal snowflakes" at protests without fear of being punched back.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Why are we still seeing the bullshit demonization of Antifa here?
The only ones demonizing Antifa are Trump, his bleach-drinkers, and the alt-right nazi chuds.
People on DU need to stop spreading alt-right bullshit.
BComplex
(7,984 posts)However, anyone who is anti fascism is moving in the right direction.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)ANTIFA monitors the plans of far right groups and shows up where they gather. That is what they do.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)confused with Black Bloc anarchists, who swoop in , destroy property then run away , leaving protesters holding the bag.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)He just keys in on the group that most actively resists the Far Right.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)arrest anyone who shows up to protest by calling them anti-fascists.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)It's basically the tactics of dressing in black, covering one's face, and doing various things at protests, rallies, and riot.
The problem is that this tactic is used both by the good guys and the provocateurs and opportunists.
Usually they're opportunistic looters, or alt-right chud or even police provocateurs.
DBoon
(22,288 posts)Fascists worship violence and strength. Reasoning, discussion, rule of law, are all seen as weakness by fascists.
British anti-fascists figured that if they confronted fascists using methods they understood, then the anti-fascists would succeed.
It worked.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)who belonged, or had any friend of a friend who belonged, to ANTIFA?
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)of activists who would mobilize to confront well known far right figures when they planned to do public events in the Bay Area. I don't remember the name ANTIFA being used, but it was loosely organized at best. The word would just go out and people would show up to counter demonstrate, not looking for a fight but just to be vocal and visible to counter fascist messages. Yes, leftist activists were involved; ant-war people, pro social justice and the like.
From what little I can gather ANTIFA is just a little bit more organized then that, in that they actively monitor what the Far Right is doing, to anticipate when the Right is trying to make a show of force. And they knowingly will counter personal violence with force when they see it. The people I knew back then didn't prepare for that contingency. That said, I don't think those who openly associate with ANTIFA initiate confrontations. They militantly assemble as a counter force to deny the Right an uncontested stage to spew hate on.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)No Antifa non-profit, no Antifa fan club, no HQ, no membership cards.
Antifa is a banner under which pretty much anyone can march, if they want to stand against fascism.
You're against fascism, aren't you? If you don't like fascists, that makes you antifa, if not Antifa.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)You're against ratfucking the left, aren't you?
I've never come across an actual person on the left who knew anything first person about antifa.
The Blue Flower
(5,420 posts)I'm proud to say my dad and uncles belonged to that group.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)I think
Theyd be
Quite opposed to their methods.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)them when they punch Richard Spencer but find them annoying when trying to hold a peaceful protest.
crickets
(25,896 posts)pwb
(11,205 posts)He is Putins boy and everyone working there knows it.