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Are Police Unions An Impediment to Reform? MSNBC Now. (Original Post) oasis Jun 2020 OP
And the answer is qwlauren35 Jun 2020 #1
Fucking Bob Kroll of the MPD has been a roadblock for years. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #2
Good to know. I don't have cable, so I'll have to rely on it coming around on YouTube. scarletwoman Jun 2020 #5
Kroll has racked up more than his share of citizen's complaints while oasis Jun 2020 #6
Hayes is going off on police unions. oasis Jun 2020 #3
My question is, could municipalities just out and out dissolve police unions? scarletwoman Jun 2020 #4
I guess the councilman will tackle that question on Hayes' show. oasis Jun 2020 #8
No. They have contracts with cities. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #10
But why couldn't cities just choose to not renew their contracts? scarletwoman Jun 2020 #12
I think they feel like they're over a barrel. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #13
Edit - see post 16 crickets Jun 2020 #21
Duh greenjar_01 Jun 2020 #7
Unions are for the oppressed, Blecht Jun 2020 #9
Cops cutback on service if they get any flack for city officials. oasis Jun 2020 #11
Study on police unions & increased violence PTWB Jun 2020 #14
Interesting study. Folks should be aware of what's going on here. Thanks oasis Jun 2020 #19
City councilman, Steve Fletcher exposes Union President Kroll. oasis Jun 2020 #15
Councilman Fletcher made the point that the MPD union isn't really The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #16
THIS oasis Jun 2020 #18
Ah, thank you. I did not realize this when I made an earlier post. Good to know! nt crickets Jun 2020 #22
All too often, police unions act like mob lawyers... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #17
Obama's Administration set up a task force on police reform, but oasis Jun 2020 #20
Next time your municipality holds an election BlueIdaho Jun 2020 #23

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,276 posts)
2. Fucking Bob Kroll of the MPD has been a roadblock for years.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:39 PM
Jun 2020

Hayes is talking about Kroll, now, at a Trump rally.

oasis

(49,151 posts)
6. Kroll has racked up more than his share of citizen's complaints while
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:43 PM
Jun 2020

"serving" the people of Minneapolis.

Badge of honor for him.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
4. My question is, could municipalities just out and out dissolve police unions?
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:40 PM
Jun 2020

I think enough is enough.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
12. But why couldn't cities just choose to not renew their contracts?
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:48 PM
Jun 2020

Why should our own elected governmental bodies be held hostage by unaccountable police unions?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,276 posts)
13. I think they feel like they're over a barrel.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jun 2020

Cities need police, the police are good at scaring citizens by accusing city government of not supporting them, and making it a huge political issue. The cities cave because of the political blowback.

crickets

(25,896 posts)
21. Edit - see post 16
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 09:18 PM
Jun 2020

My mistake - I am deleting my earlier comments because they were misguided. I didn't realize the police union isn't really a union, and not recognized as one by the AFL-CIO. Carry on.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
14. Study on police unions & increased violence
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:52 PM
Jun 2020


Our estimates imply that collective bargaining rights led to a substantial increase in violent incidents of misconduct among SOs, relative to police departments. The effect of collective bargaining rights is concentrated among SOs that subsequently adopted collective bargaining agreements, and the timing of the adoption of these agreements is associated with increases in violent misconduct. There is also some evidence consistent with a “bargaining in the shadow” effect among SOs that did not unionize.

...

While this effect may seem strikingly large, the baseline rate of violent incidents is low. The estimated effect implies an increase of 0.2 violent incidents per agency-year, relative to a pre-Williams mean among SOs of about 0.5. At a typical SO with 210 officers, this effect corresponds to one officer being involved in one additional violent incident every five years.


https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3095217

oasis

(49,151 posts)
15. City councilman, Steve Fletcher exposes Union President Kroll.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:53 PM
Jun 2020

I think that bent copper's days are numbered. Maybe Trump will hire him as a bodyguard after he exits the WH.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,276 posts)
16. Councilman Fletcher made the point that the MPD union isn't really
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:55 PM
Jun 2020

a union at all. They don't call themselves a union; they're called a federation, and they aren't affiliated with any other union organization and they don't identify with the larger labor movement at all. The MN AFL-CIO just denounced them and called for Kroll's firing. The councilman was careful to explain that he wanted to be supportive of organized labor, but that the police federation isn't part of it.

oasis

(49,151 posts)
18. THIS
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 09:03 PM
Jun 2020

Thanks VO for providing those important details about Kroll and his "union".

My fingers can't keep up with the key board but I felt this issue needs to stay front and center.

Wounded Bear

(58,440 posts)
17. All too often, police unions act like mob lawyers...
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:57 PM
Jun 2020

where the "right of the accused to council" morphs into "get them off at all costs."

Back in the 90's, the impetus behind all the 3 strikes laws included the police and prison guard unions. Hey! More guaranteed work and income for more cops and guards.

oasis

(49,151 posts)
20. Obama's Administration set up a task force on police reform, but
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 09:12 PM
Jun 2020

Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions dismantled it early on.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
23. Next time your municipality holds an election
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 09:22 PM
Jun 2020

To approve an increase in police and fire budgets - teach them a lesson.

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