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qwlauren35
(6,112 posts)HELL to the YES.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,276 posts)Hayes is talking about Kroll, now, at a Trump rally.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Kroll is despicable.
oasis
(49,151 posts)"serving" the people of Minneapolis.
Badge of honor for him.
oasis
(49,151 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I think enough is enough.
oasis
(49,151 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,276 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Why should our own elected governmental bodies be held hostage by unaccountable police unions?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,276 posts)Cities need police, the police are good at scaring citizens by accusing city government of not supporting them, and making it a huge political issue. The cities cave because of the political blowback.
crickets
(25,896 posts)My mistake - I am deleting my earlier comments because they were misguided. I didn't realize the police union isn't really a union, and not recognized as one by the AFL-CIO. Carry on.
They're the worst neo-fascist paramilitary organizations in the country.
Blecht
(3,803 posts)not for the oppressors.
oasis
(49,151 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Our estimates imply that collective bargaining rights led to a substantial increase in violent incidents of misconduct among SOs, relative to police departments. The effect of collective bargaining rights is concentrated among SOs that subsequently adopted collective bargaining agreements, and the timing of the adoption of these agreements is associated with increases in violent misconduct. There is also some evidence consistent with a bargaining in the shadow effect among SOs that did not unionize.
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While this effect may seem strikingly large, the baseline rate of violent incidents is low. The estimated effect implies an increase of 0.2 violent incidents per agency-year, relative to a pre-Williams mean among SOs of about 0.5. At a typical SO with 210 officers, this effect corresponds to one officer being involved in one additional violent incident every five years.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3095217
oasis
(49,151 posts)oasis
(49,151 posts)I think that bent copper's days are numbered. Maybe Trump will hire him as a bodyguard after he exits the WH.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,276 posts)a union at all. They don't call themselves a union; they're called a federation, and they aren't affiliated with any other union organization and they don't identify with the larger labor movement at all. The MN AFL-CIO just denounced them and called for Kroll's firing. The councilman was careful to explain that he wanted to be supportive of organized labor, but that the police federation isn't part of it.
oasis
(49,151 posts)Thanks VO for providing those important details about Kroll and his "union".
My fingers can't keep up with the key board but I felt this issue needs to stay front and center.
crickets
(25,896 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)where the "right of the accused to council" morphs into "get them off at all costs."
Back in the 90's, the impetus behind all the 3 strikes laws included the police and prison guard unions. Hey! More guaranteed work and income for more cops and guards.
oasis
(49,151 posts)Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions dismantled it early on.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)To approve an increase in police and fire budgets - teach them a lesson.