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I can't find out if the $20.00 bill was fake (Original Post) onethatcares Jun 2020 OP
It will come out during the investigation. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #1
Fake or not, if $20.00 is the value of a human life Glorfindel Jun 2020 #2
20 pieces of silver? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #4
It doesn't matter whether it was or not. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #3
1. Even if it was, doesn't justify murder. 2. Can it be proven that Floyd KNEW it was fake? flibbitygiblets Jun 2020 #5
I generally use cash when purchasing $30 or less. No, I don't check my bills when I get them or progree Jun 2020 #22
+1. nt tblue37 Jun 2020 #26
Here is what I could find - not much, though csziggy Jun 2020 #6
Best I was able to find is that the bill in question is held in evidence . . . Journeyman Jun 2020 #7
What do you mean the fate of the officers hinge somewhat on the bill? Solomon Jun 2020 #18
Their lawyers will use every artifice, including that bill, to paint their clients' actions . . . Journeyman Jun 2020 #20
Doesn't make any fucking difference Nature Man Jun 2020 #8
That falls under the heading of: Who Gives A Fuck? Aristus Jun 2020 #9
Even if it was fake, the proof that George Floyd didn't know it was a forgery Baitball Blogger Jun 2020 #10
I heard one reference to a check Marthe48 Jun 2020 #11
it was $20. bill handmade34 Jun 2020 #12
Nor can I find out what what actions preceded his death? Sneederbunk Jun 2020 #13
again, that doesn't matter. uncle ray Jun 2020 #16
Banks used to kite counterfeits to peope in Drive-Ins because tellers were punished for taking them TheBlackAdder Jun 2020 #14
Sorry, but does it really matter? Ferrets are Cool Jun 2020 #15
Who gives a fuck ??? SamKnause Jun 2020 #17
I consider it slightly possible that this was a setup, that Chauvin arranged it lostnfound Jun 2020 #21
No, chauvinism and his partner were not the first cops called. They arrived after the first tblue37 Jun 2020 #27
It is a legitimate question and does not imply anything about delisen Jun 2020 #19
I think the expectation is that a retail establishment is supposed to check at the point of sale flibbitygiblets Jun 2020 #24
If it was fake, which is possible, that does not mean George Floyd knew it was fake. panader0 Jun 2020 #23
I read on here that George Floyd went out to the car to get Cha Jun 2020 #25

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
5. 1. Even if it was, doesn't justify murder. 2. Can it be proven that Floyd KNEW it was fake?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jun 2020

Do you check every $20 someone gives you? I sure the eff don't. If I paid for something and then someone came back later and told me the bill was fake, I'd tell them to fuck off. If they didn't check it at the point of sale, how do I know they're not trying to scam me?

progree

(10,864 posts)
22. I generally use cash when purchasing $30 or less. No, I don't check my bills when I get them or
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 09:50 PM
Jun 2020

when I spend them. i wouldn't know what to look for. I'm sure in that, I'm no different from 99% of other cash spenders.

So what's horrifying is that could have happened to any of us cash spenders, or 99% of us. That they would make a big hoo hah about it. Being black adds the lethal element to it.

csziggy

(34,120 posts)
6. Here is what I could find - not much, though
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:20 PM
Jun 2020
What we know about George Floyd's death and alleged counterfeit money in Minneapolis
Nora G. Hertel, USA TODAY Published 3:42 p.m. ET June 3, 2020 | Updated 6:33 p.m. ET June 3, 2020

MINNEAPOLIS – Counterfeit bills allegedly circulated in the neighborhood around Cup Foods before a reported $20 forgery led to George Floyd's death in police custody on Memorial Day.

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"Under Minnesota law, the BCA is unable to discuss evidence or details of an open and active investigation," BCA Public Information Officer Jill Oliveira wrote in an email to USA TODAY.

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n the 911 transcript a Cup Foods clerk told the dispatcher, "Um, someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car."

Angel Stately, a former employee and customer of the shop, told The New York Times she saw the bill and the ink was running on it. Stately could not be reached for additional comment.

Cup Foods owner Mahmoud Abumayyaleh questioned whether Floyd even knew he used a counterfeit, in a statement posted on Facebook Sunday. He told TRT, a Turkish public broadcast service, that normally officers ask a few questions about counterfeits, "put it in a bag and take it."

More: https://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/03/what-we-know-fake-currency-and-george-floyds-death-minneapolis-counterfeit-police/3137162001/


So, it probably is some evidence file with the police, but they will not comment on it. Until Chauvin's trial we will not know if it was real or not - and maybe not then if it is not used as evidence.

Journeyman

(15,001 posts)
7. Best I was able to find is that the bill in question is held in evidence . . .
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:21 PM
Jun 2020

and won't be shown or properly identified until brought forward in a court of law. The fate of those four officers hinge somewhat on the bill, so to guard against an unfair trial it and the rest of the evidence will remain protected.

That said, the owner of the store Floyd allegedly spent the $20 at for a pack of cancers knew Floyd well and doesn't believe he would have knowingly passed a counterfeit bill. He wasn't there when the bill was questioned, but his employees called him to see what should be done, he told them to call the police, as they had done for previous counterfeit bills. Later, when the officers were murdering Floyd, the employees called the owner again and tearfully asked what they should do. He says he told them to call the police on the police, but be certain the call was recorded.

Solomon

(12,305 posts)
18. What do you mean the fate of the officers hinge somewhat on the bill?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 07:16 PM
Jun 2020

Are you serious!? You can't be serious. What the hell difference does it make? Explain please.

Journeyman

(15,001 posts)
20. Their lawyers will use every artifice, including that bill, to paint their clients' actions . . .
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 07:24 PM
Jun 2020

in as positive a light as they can manufacture. So yes, the fate of those officers may hinge on that piece of evidence, along with all the rest of evidence known now or presented at trial, and therefore anything that jeopardizes the integrity of that evidence, or in any manner hinders those lawyers, could be used to argue against their prosecution. It may not be what you and I want, or what justice demands, but since when has justice been the primary goal in an American court of criminal law?

Nature Man

(869 posts)
8. Doesn't make any fucking difference
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:23 PM
Jun 2020

Why is it important to you? What purpose does this information serve for you?

What does it confirm, what would it explain for you?

Aristus

(66,092 posts)
9. That falls under the heading of: Who Gives A Fuck?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jun 2020

If it was counterfeit, George Floyd was the victim of extrajudicial murder.

If it wasn't counterfeit, George Floyd was the victim of extrajudicial murder.

We have due process in this country. If you are suspected of committing a crime, you are arrested, questioned, arraigned, and tried.

George Floyd got none of that. And we don't even know if he committed a crime...

Baitball Blogger

(46,574 posts)
10. Even if it was fake, the proof that George Floyd didn't know it was a forgery
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:27 PM
Jun 2020

is the fact that he hung around in that parked car. If he knowingly used a forged bill, do you think he would have stuck around?

Sneederbunk

(14,207 posts)
13. Nor can I find out what what actions preceded his death?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:49 PM
Jun 2020

Why was he face down on the ground rather than in the patrol car? Are there other videos? What are witnesses saying?

uncle ray

(3,153 posts)
16. again, that doesn't matter.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 07:15 PM
Jun 2020

he was fine at the beginning of the video. after 9 minutes of a cop symbolically kneeling on his neck, he's dead. what transpired previously if of no importance. he was cuffed, lying on his belly and outnumbered. he was no threat to anyone at the time. we have the video to prove it.

and some info IS out there about what happened previously, including video of cops beating him in the patrol car before dragging him out.

TheBlackAdder

(28,073 posts)
14. Banks used to kite counterfeits to peope in Drive-Ins because tellers were punished for taking them
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:52 PM
Jun 2020

.

...in the first place. They had to dump the bill again so they'd stick it in the envelope for the customer to take.

If there were questions about its legitimacy, once those bills leave the eyes of the teller, they claim the customer was trying to pull a fast one on them.

.

SamKnause

(13,041 posts)
17. Who gives a fuck ???
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 07:16 PM
Jun 2020

I wouldn't know if I had a fake $20.00 bill.

Would you ???

Was it worth murdering a man over if it was ???

George was face down on the pavement with his hands cuffed behind his back.

He was tortured to death.

His death was painful, very painful.

The police in this country are totally out of control.

It is time for them to be held accountable and to stop abusing citizens and

murdering citizens.

lostnfound

(16,138 posts)
21. I consider it slightly possible that this was a setup, that Chauvin arranged it
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jun 2020

Chauvin worked at same bar as Floyd.
There’s a chance that the supposedly counterfeit bill was a ruse.
It’s odd that they work at same bar but Chauvin ended up being the one that got called there.

The point being, that this might have been completely premeditated, planned ahead of time. An excuse to murder him.

Was this the first time Chauvin had ever approached Floyd in his presumed role as a cop?

tblue37

(64,979 posts)
27. No, chauvinism and his partner were not the first cops called. They arrived after the first
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 11:17 PM
Jun 2020

ones had already begun interacting with Floyd.

Of course, the violence seems to have started once Chauvin arrived.

delisen

(6,039 posts)
19. It is a legitimate question and does not imply anything about
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 07:22 PM
Jun 2020

the rest of the horrific incident.

We all know that no one should be executed on the spot for a counterfeit bill incident.

Going forward I want to know how I can tell whether I have been passed a counterfeit bill and what is expected police procedure if i get hustled by a store or police.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
24. I think the expectation is that a retail establishment is supposed to check at the point of sale
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 11:06 PM
Jun 2020

We've all had it happen: You give a large bill to a cashier, and they mark it with one of those highlighters or pass it under a special laser or something. I've never had a problem, but if I did, I'd expect to be told BEFORE I walked out with my purchases. If there ever was a problem, I expect that we'd all realize that *I* had been scammed (not having any way to tell that the bill in question was counterfeit, not being in retail myself). But I wouldn't expect anyone to call the goddamned cops on me. In any case, after I got a receipt and was on my way, it's on the retailer for not checking. And the only reason THEY check is because that money goes to the bank, (which is definitely going to check). The rest of us are just walking around presuming our cash is legit.

Because, let's be real here: Very, very, very few of us have fancy counterfeit machines at home for the purposes of printing fake money that actually could pass as real. I think it is a safe bet that George Floyd did not have such a machine either, and the store owners goddamn well knew it. So calling the police was a bogus thing to do, and for the police to act like Mr. Floyd was either knowingly passing, or actually producing counterfeit money was patently ridiculous.

The store owners/cashiers are the "Karen" in this case, where they put a black life in jeopardy over something they themselves handled incorrectly in the first place.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
23. If it was fake, which is possible, that does not mean George Floyd knew it was fake.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 10:19 PM
Jun 2020

If a guy knowingly tried to use a counterfeit bill, would he go out and get another bill, then buy smokes, then stay parked next to the store? No.

Cha

(295,902 posts)
25. I read on here that George Floyd went out to the car to get
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 11:10 PM
Jun 2020

more money.. I don't know where it is now.. is that wrong?

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