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Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:54 AM

Should there be a Second Constitutional Convention?

Who would be invited to attend?

Where would it be?

Would Black Lives Matter supporters be invited to the Convention?

How could it not be an improvement over what we have now?

What new Amendments would you like to see added to the Constitution?

Or should we write a new Constitution?

What have we got to lose?

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Reply Should there be a Second Constitutional Convention? (Original post)
kentuck Jun 2020 OP
yardwork Jun 2020 #1
kentuck Jun 2020 #3
yardwork Jun 2020 #5
Renew Deal Jun 2020 #9
hack89 Jun 2020 #13
kentuck Jun 2020 #19
Codeine Jun 2020 #32
NurseJackie Jun 2020 #2
Hortensis Jun 2020 #4
Squinch Jun 2020 #6
quaker bill Jun 2020 #7
Drum Jun 2020 #8
dwilso40641 Jun 2020 #10
StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #11
Marcuse Jun 2020 #12
dumbcat Jun 2020 #14
irisblue Jun 2020 #15
dameatball Jun 2020 #16
edhopper Jun 2020 #17
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #18
kentuck Jun 2020 #20
MineralMan Jun 2020 #21
MyNameGoesHere Jun 2020 #22
JHB Jun 2020 #23
Ferryboat Jun 2020 #42
struggle4progress Jun 2020 #24
Chainfire Jun 2020 #25
sinkingfeeling Jun 2020 #26
jalan48 Jun 2020 #27
mrsv Jun 2020 #28
Hoyt Jun 2020 #29
Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #30
highplainsdem Jun 2020 #31
Firestorm49 Jun 2020 #33
PTWB Jun 2020 #34
LiberalFighter Jun 2020 #35
DeminPennswoods Jun 2020 #36
roamer65 Jun 2020 #37
crickets Jun 2020 #38
ooky Jun 2020 #39
Initech Jun 2020 #40
kentuck Jun 2020 #41
Initech Jun 2020 #43
Progressive Jones Jun 2020 #44
VarryOn Jun 2020 #45
Laelth Jun 2020 #46
kentuck Jun 2020 #47
Hekate Jun 2020 #48

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:55 AM

1. What have we got to lose? A lot.

I'm not inclined to risk letting today's right wingers rewrite our Constitution.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:57 AM

3. What if, "they're not invited"?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:58 AM

5. What?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:04 AM

9. Then it has no legitimacy

Even if it makes people’s lives “better”

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Response to kentuck (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:20 AM

13. Then you have just started a civil war.

Would you accept a constitutional convention that did not let progressives participate?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:45 AM

19. That's an excellent point.

I fear that is the direction that Trump is dividing this nation.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:44 AM

32. It really doesn't work that way. nt

 

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:56 AM

2. No, thanks.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:57 AM

4. Only for the hard RWers who plan to overthrow this one.

They've been working on this for decades, are extremely powerful and well organized, and know in great detail they want in it.

However perilously close they came in 2016 to mounting a legal putsch, they lost ground again in 2018, and in November we're going to make this once again only a theoretical question.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:59 AM

6. No.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:03 AM

7. no

representatives of the states would be appointed to attend, most would be republican.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:03 AM

8. Negative

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:16 AM

10. No!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:17 AM

11. No

The Constitution is fine. We need to do a better job electing people who will actually uphold it.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:18 AM

12. Other than the electoral college and equal rights the Constitution is ok.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:21 AM

14. Sure, why not?

What could possibly go wrong?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:25 AM

15. NO!

Kentuck, you cannot be serious here.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:29 AM

16. Nope. RW has been pushing for this for years and has been closer than many realize.

I don't recall the number of states that would go along with this, but I remember it worried me.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:35 AM

17. No!

We will lose the 1st Amendment.

Get an Amendment that bans abortion. One that makes gun rights absolute without restrictions. A balanced budget amendment that will destroy Social Security. No new Rights will be gained.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:39 AM

18. Absolutely not!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:46 AM

20. I guess that settles that!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:47 AM

21. Nope!

It's not a matter of who would be invited. See the Constitution to understand why that is so.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:47 AM

22. The path we are on will eventually

Result in someone drafting a new constitution. I personally think the current one is daft. But most people want to wait and see what fate brings. So they are OK with trump or trump like people writing the next one. Why participate if you can just wait around saying no this one is perfect...
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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:02 AM

23. Any 2nd CC for the foreseeable future would quickly get highjacked by RWers

Last edited Sat Sep 12, 2020, 09:22 AM - Edit history (1)

This is one of the items the Koch brothers, like-minded ideologues, and their corporate lobbyist allies have been quietly pushing for years. They would like nothing better than to rewrite the constitution to lock in their view of the way things ought to be and make reform impossible.

It would be a second Confederate Constitution, which did the same thing.

Don't think for a minute they don't have draft proposals that were written up years ago -- part contingency plan, part political wish list -- that can be dusted off and updated pretty damn quick.

Through money and connections they have the influence to be a huge or even dominant influence on a 2nd CC. No other group has anything like this kind of off-the-shelf game plan.

So what do we have to lose? Everything.

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Response to JHB (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:50 PM

42. You are so right

Koch has been financially backing many think tanks and other groups pushing for this.

In addition actively gaming out how to hijack the process and dominate a convention. The end results would not favor the workers, but corporate power.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:05 AM

24. No thanks

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:12 AM

25. No

Too little to gain, too much to lose.

The founders built strong walls around the Constitution to keep it from changing every time the wind blew from another direction.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:31 AM

26. No way!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:38 AM

27. The Koch Brothers want one and I'm sure they would spend lots of money encouraging folks

to back their ideas.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:55 AM

28. No

Time to educate or re-educate our citizens on how all this works.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:18 AM

29. Not until we are less divided. I think we might come out worse nowadays, unfortunately.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:38 AM

30. No. n/t

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:43 AM

31. NO. Some RWers want one because they believe they'd control it.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:45 AM

33. Put me in the "no" column.

I’ve already read too much about how Republicans, having garnered something like 34 states to have a second convention, have no other motive than to draw up the constitution on their ideals, not representing “we the people”, but “we the party”, “we the money”, “we, the privileged.”

I’ve not read much of anything about it from Democrats to this point. The surface issues are sure to attract a great amount of interest, but I’ve read plenty on DU about the hidden agendas that Republicans wish to be included - right out of the Koch playbook and the Federalist Society.

I wouldn’t trust the process to be fair. We all know how things work. The title of the bill, article, attachment etc, says one thing, but what’s buried within is quite another, and that, my friend, is what Republicans will be after.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:55 AM

34. This is how The Handmaid's Tale becomes reality.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:03 AM

35. Absolutely NOT!

Any amendments need to come from Congress.

The states would screw everything up.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:09 AM

36. No

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:15 AM

37. Only if you want a orderly secession amendment added to it.

I will advocate the addition of language similar to Article 50 of the EU Lisbon Treaty.

There are others who would want it as well, especially as a check to right wing extremism ideology getting entered into the document.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:24 AM

38. No we don't need a Second Constitutional Convention.

I agree with the point that our citizenry needs to be better educated about the nature of the Constitution and how it works, and that we also need to elect representatives who will bother to uphold it. More people - in fact, every US citizen - should know who Barbara Jordan is, and the strength and principle she showed for the Constitution during a national crisis should be held up as the gold standard.

Her remarks begin at the 4:00 mark:

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:25 AM

39. The one we have is fine if applied with common sense, something

the RW'rs are short on, who try so hard to tailor it's meanings to their own selfish ideological whims.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:40 AM

40. No, terrible idea.

The people who would benefit from such a thing would not be us, it would be the billionaires and the Christian right.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:49 AM

41. I guess we are to assume we are in no danger of losing the present Constitution?

Is it really that impossible?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:54 PM

43. I think it would take a war or two to get to that point.

And we're not quite there yet. You would have to get all 50 states to agree on this, plus US territories like Guam and Puerto Rico, and there's no way that is happening in our current political climate.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:55 PM

44. Absolutely not. The right wing would fuck it all up. nt

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:00 PM

45. Absolutely not...It would take...

months, if not years, and we would end up with a document 1,000 pages long!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:25 PM

46. If we did, it would be our THIRD Constitutional Convention.

But I don’t see it happening, nor do I think that it would be a good idea.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:54 PM

47. Yes, there was the Continental Congress.

A loose confederation of states.

The only reason we would need a Constitutional Convention, in my mind, would be if we lost our other Constitution. It is presently being threatened, foreign and domestically, in my opinion.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2020, 03:08 PM

48. NO! That is a far-right plan promoted (iirc) by the Kochs & their ilk. Maybe later. Much later.

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