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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBiden wants a VP "not at all intimidated by the president, not intimidated walkin' in the WH"
June 10, 2020 / 11:42 AM / CBS News
watch: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-vice-president-strong-president-day-one/
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shockey80
(4,379 posts)BComplex
(7,982 posts)But I'm afraid nobody can talk her into that.
Demsrule86
(68,348 posts)can help you lose. I know Rice is great but not this year. And we need to take a state. Val Demmings is great.
BComplex
(7,982 posts)Neither does Kamala Harris. We need someone people fall in love with.
We need someone, preferably a woman, since Biden already committed to that, who is absolutely awesome. That's why I want Elizabeth Warren...a lot of people fell in love with her during the primaries. She's charismatic and dynamic.
We really have to steer clear of a boring ticket, too.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Wow.
BComplex
(7,982 posts)There are a lot of good things about her, but there are some that aren't so good, as well. She did some things as Atty. General that were not good, and at the time, DU was all over it, and upset with her. She hasn't got the charisma that we need to make people fall in love, and whoever Biden chooses as VP is probably going to end up being president before his 4 years are up. As president, she wouldn't get the support that Elizabeth Warren would get.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)So does Klobuchar. So does Bernie. So does Buttigieg. So did Hillary. So did Obama.
And so does Biden, for that matter.
mcar
(42,210 posts)And how do you figure this:
BComplex
(7,982 posts)mcar
(42,210 posts)BComplex
(7,982 posts)mcar
(42,210 posts)BComplex
(7,982 posts)Tells you she didn't do well enough to make it.
I can see she must be your favorite female candidate for VP. That's fine. Like I said, she has some good points. But if this whole country has to vote on a woman for president, and especially a black woman, Michelle Obama would win in a landslide. (Lots and lots of charisma...easy to fall in love with.)
Kamala Harris would not have that kind of following.
In 1976, when Barbara Jordan gave the keynote address at the Democratic convention, I was really pissed that she was not our candidate. She was awesome. But back then there was way too much prejudice, against women and African Americans. When Barbara Jordon spoke, she owned the room (or the tv screen, in this case).
These days we need someone who is really high on commanding the love of the masses to take control of the moment that has opened up to get rid of the republican way of thinking. Biden is safe for the moment, even though he's pretty boring and keeps shooting himself in the foot with some things he says. He's safe and comfortable, when the country is in an uproar and in the middle of a pandemic and a recession. But I think Biden is going to step down before his first term is up, and the woman who is moved to the top of the ticket is going to have to rally a whole shitload of independent, very critical, voters in order to be elected at the top of the ticket as the First Woman ever elected president of the USA.
Even though I didn't like some of her positions as California Atty. General, if she was the VP under Biden and moved up, I would of course support her. I just wish it was someone that could create a groundswell and movement.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But that didn't stop him from being a strong running mate and an excellent Vice President ...
mcar
(42,210 posts)How could that have happened? 😏
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)Willfully handing a senate seat to the GOP in a year that we might actually be able to take back the senate. That reason alone all but dooms Warrens chances. Feel free to bookmark.
mcar
(42,210 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And some of the same people who made that claim then are now saying she doesn't have any charisma.
I'm starting to think that some people's problem with Kamala has nothing to do with her charisma at all
mcar
(42,210 posts)BComplex
(7,982 posts)Hmmmm?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)That worked out so well last time.
onetexan
(12,994 posts)marble falls
(56,358 posts)Siwsan
(26,177 posts)I admit that Kamala and Elizabeth were the first to come to mind.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)and its not a real measure of who would best help the ticket.
marble falls
(56,358 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)perhaps other strong executive branch/administrative experience in. Those who haven't run a whole state or have strong DC experience not.
Maybe someone like Elizabeth Warren if he wanted a 21st century Frances Perkins to spearhead many of the big domestic repairs and advances needed. Someone like Susan Rice if he wanted his VEEP handling much of the similarly fucked-up national security/foreign policy side. Reportedly in spite of discussing VP, insiders still see Rice as more likely for something like sec state or defense, though.
I'm wondering if he might choose to handle more of the foreign policy himself, stabilizing and restoring some of our standing on the planet, while he gave a heavy domestic agenda to a Klobuchar to make happen.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)she accused him of being a racist?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Its a GOP ad that writes itself.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)People are going to criticize any candidate he picks. Some people may even lie about them and accuse them of saying things they didn't say.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)feature in an ad attacking the nominee.
jmowreader
(50,451 posts)There is not one Democrat in America the GOP cant figure out how to attack Biden with. Its all they do, since they have no interest in governing.
The woman we run alongside VP Biden needs two things: high level political experience, ant the ability and skill set to detrumpify America. Aside from that, I dont care. She can be any combination of race, orientation, ethnicity...if she can unfuck this country after what Trump did to it, I will be happy.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)None of the other possible VP picks have attacked Biden on national television. Harris did. That is a GOP ad that writes itself.
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)That's what happens in primaries.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)as their VP. And is Warren even in the running anymore?
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)We're done here, have a great day.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)So it wasn't a false statement.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)It wouldn't be the first time. It's not even subtle.
And it probably won't be effective, either. Biden's going to pick whom he wants as his running mate. And if he wants Kamala, a bunch of snarking and mischaracterizing and whining about her online isn't going to stop him.
But the goal isn't just to kneecap Harris. It's also to stir up shish between Dems.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But there are legitimate concerns about all the possible VP choices. Nothing wrong with bringing them up.
BComplex
(7,982 posts)you're, like, playing for the other side or something! Geeez!
Same thing happened in the primaries! If you didn't support Joe Biden you were ganged up on, hounded, slammed, banned from DU, etc.
Now it's going to be Kamala Harris.
Open wide, because they're going to shove her down our throats! That always makes you feel the love, doesn't it?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And for the record there are positives and negatives to all the potential VP picks. We ignore them at our own peril.
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)As a Kamala supporter in the primaries, it's the same as it ever was. I have no doubt Biden will pick the best fit for him and his agenda, and it won't be decided by randos on the Internet.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,615 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but she's a lifelong progressive liberal, and as VP focusing on working with congress and carrying out the agenda she agreed to that would soon be fixed. And she seems like a natural complement to Biden in a number of ways.
Remembering that Obama wanted CA's AG for USAG in 2008, but she turned it down, more focused on higher office, like the senate and beyond. We're still going to need a strong AG to right what the Republicans have broken and made very wrong, though, a rare opportunity to serve.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...virtually none of that got covered by the press.
One of the most comnprehensive, solution-oriented campaigns I've ever witnessed. I posted reams of policy documents here.
The AG has been so politicized by this WH that a career prosecutor at Justice who's NOT a politician would serve the country better.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that the Trump/Republican administration corruption and law-smashing should not define ANY office once they're gone. Complete rejection and return to the long-established purposes and integrity. We believe in it and know how to do it, and it's above all what we have to bring to government.
I felt she was wobbly on some of her positions where I expected to see the commitment of strong belief in their excellence. The kind Hillary had from intensive planning before she ran. Sen. Harris got in trouble for it, particularly with her softness on which healthcare program. But, if she wasn't ready to hit the ground running as #1, as #2 to #1 with large teams of expert movers and shakers I imagine she'd soon be a strong, capable leader.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...is unknown to me.
It's certainly not the candidate, AG, or senator that I've watched closely for many years. I can accept perceptions based on what's offered and seen, but you should understand, Kamala Harris is anything but 'wobbly.'
OnDoutside
(19,906 posts)Seriously, she started in a blaze of a 20,000+ crowd at her candidacy announcement and fizzled out from there. She and Warren jumped on Bernie's Medicare for All, saying they'd do the same, and then almost immediately regretted doing so, not least having to backtrack on the pledge to cut private healthcare companies out, as part of M4A.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...putting ideas into the political arena is what primaries are all about, and certainly no one expects their plans to arrive for signing in the Oval Office without going through the congressional wringer first. Indeed, Barack Obama saw his health care initiatives altered by political realities after he was elected, as well.
You must have noticed, EVERY campaign other than Joe Biden's 'fizzled,' but everyone could see for themselves that Harris generated excitement and energy on the campaign trail which would carry well into the fall election.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Actually not. She was far more conservative during her days as a prosecutor and resisted many needed reforms.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)from the Advocate:
Harris is now a freshman U.S. senator and one of the front-runners for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination. Her 2010 squeaker victory not only changed the trajectory of her life, but that of millions of LGB Californians. One of the signature issues Harris campaigned on in 2010 was her opposition to Proposition 8, the infamous voter-approved state constitutional amendment that snatched marriage rights away from California's same-sex couples. Cooley was a proponent of Prop. 8 and promised to defend it against the numerous individuals and equality organizations suing to kill it.
Harris, along with then-incoming governor Jerry Brown, refused to defend the initiative, which was ruled unconstitutional by U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker in August of that year.
It would be inappropriate for a state on the verge of bankruptcy to use all of those resources to defend a law found to be unconstitutional, Harris told The Advocate in September 2010.
Even with Harris and Brown (and Arnold Schwarzenegger before him) refusing to stand by Prop. 8, marriage equality opponents were undeterred. The individuals behind ProtectMarriage.com the group that placed Prop. 8 on the 2008 ballot appealed Walker's decision to the Ninth Circuit, which upheld his ruling. Then the antigay group tried to get that appeal looked at by a larger group of Ninth Circuit judges, but that was denied. Next up was the Supreme Court.
"What I would love to see is the highest court in the land ultimately make a decision, and the right decision," Harris told The Advocate in June 2012. "That would be to find that Prop. 8 is a violation of equal protection under the Constitution, and to stop denying LGBT people the right to marry."
The Supreme Court decided in late 2012 to take the case, now called Hollingsworth v. Perry. Instead of an attorney general arguing for the voter-approved initiative, a motley crew of homophobes tried to convince the high court that Judge Walker's decision harmed them. The court, in a 5-4 ruling issued in June 2013, disagreed, saying the Prop. 8 proponents lacked standing in the case and should not have been allowed to appeal Walker's decision.
Equality California executive director Rick Zbur sees Harris's win as monumental for California's LGBTQ citizens.
"Senator Harris is a tried-and-true ally to the LGBTQ community, and she has been an effective advocate for civil rights and social justice throughout her career," Zbur tells The Advocate. "It's hard to overstate the impact that her 2010 victory had on the fight for marriage equality. If she hadn't won and Steve Cooley had been given a chance to defend Proposition 8 mooting the issue of standing there's a very real possibility that the Supreme Court would have overturned Judge Walker's ruling and delayed the freedom to marry for millions of Californians by at least another two years. I think if you were to ask the couples who married in the weeks and months following the Supreme Court's decision, they'd agree that Kamala's principled stand made all the difference."
...as DA from 2004 to 2011, Harris opposed both Proposition 22 and Proposition 8, which limited marriage to one man and one woman. Though they passed in 2000 and 2008, respectively, both were struck down while she was in office. As San Francisco DA, Harris also created a Hate Crimes Unit aimed at prosecuting hate crimes committed against LGBTQ teens in school.
Harriss early support of marriage equality in California directly laid the legal groundwork for the US Supreme Courts decision in 2012 that same-sex couples have the right to marry. The Court cited Californias success in striking down Prop 8 in its opinion. Within hours of the decision, plaintiffs to the Supreme Court case Kris Perry and Sandy Stier became the first gay couple to wed in San Francisco, and Harris officiated their wedding.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/16/15808396/kamala-harris-democrat-rising-star-interrupted
Progressive prosecutors do things like this.
Watch Kamala Help a Couple on the Edge of History:
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...those efforts are obscured by a inaccurate slogan borrowed from ONE false and flawed article, but I guess that's the point in the attack.
It's designed to not only draw a wedge between Kamala and the black community, her most reliable allies, but it's also used by people who never believed in criminal justice reform to discredit progressive criminal justice initiatives and programs, preventing this perfect advocate from making any impact, politically, or with Sen. Harris' myriad policies that seek to undo decades of injustice and abuses.
A blogger who goes by the name of 'BlackWomanViews' has taken the time to compile a list of 50 things Kamala Harris did as prosecutor, DA, AG, and Senator to advance the issue of reform of our legal and criminal system of justice.
Link to tweet
This list was mostly ignored here, even though the issue of her service as the senior law enforcement official in California was used extensively here to claim that Kamala Harris isn't a 'progressive prosecutor.' As I wrote, those charges were almost exclusively taken from one dubious article, and pretty much all the rest refer back to that false trope.
No one can credibly look at this amazing list of accomplishments and initiatives and conclude anything other that Kamala Harris has been focusing like a laser on reforming the criminal system that she oversaw and regulated. Indeed, NO OTHER CANDIDATE HAS A RECORD OF SUCCESS IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM THAT COMES CLOSE TO KAMALA HARRIS.
By no means were her efforts perfect or inviolable, startup programs come with all sorts of stops and starts, and setbacks, but Kamala Harris stepped up to try and make a difference and be counted.
So, here are the reciepts (brilliantly provided by BlackWomanViews) which show an unflagging dedication to criminal justice, as well as reform of a system in which black Americans and other people of color disproportionately find themselves targeted by police and dealt with more severely by courts.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And there are multiple points of view on this.
Time after time, when progressives urged her to embrace criminal justice reforms as a district attorney and then the states attorney general, Ms. Harris opposed them or stayed silent, wrote Lara Bazelon. Most troubling, Ms. Harris fought tooth and nail to uphold wrongful convictions that had been secured through official misconduct that included evidence tampering, false testimony and the suppression of crucial information by prosecutors.
The essay alleges that Harris remained on the sidelines or on the wrong side of justice issues under her authority. It says she ducked out of crucial debates over sentencing reform and that her office pressed for harsh punishment in cases that merited leniency.
Read more here: https://www.sanluisobispo.com/opinion/editorials/article224881575.html#storylink=cpy
Here is another article on the subject: https://theappeal.org/kamala-harris-criminal-justice-record-killed-her-presidential-run/
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...which is simply a false and incomplete record of Kamala Harris' efforts and achievements.
But I provided the receipts (which you promptly ignored), so I'll let her record (as it's been outlined) speak for itself.
Btw, None of the other candidates this year has a record anywhere close to the efforts and accomplishments of Kamala Harris in the area of criminal and social justice. If you had something to refute that, I'd think you would have posted those efforts and accomplishments of the others, not just repeat primary campaign prattle.
Read the list.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)both the right and the far left. The right know exactly what they're doing in trying to take her out.
In contrast, the dissident left never seem to understand or count the harm they do to the goals they claim by attacking people who share those goals but don't wear their label. If they could get elected themselves they would, but that seldom happens. That leaves sabotaging Democrats who can, like this dishonest author manufacturing the necessary excuses for it.
And of course, Senator Harris is also female, so those excuses include that she failed to meet the special standard hostiles on both sides create to take women out.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...yet Harris, as California's first black female Attorney General, was first in the nation on many of her criminal justice initiatives.
also:
1st female district attorney of San Francisco
1st black, Indian-American woman to be elected attorney general in CA
2nd black woman & first Indian woman elected to the U.S. Senate
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)She's female, though, as are all those we're discussing, and most black female leaders have felt misogyny was often a bigger problem than race.
Still battling for equality on many fronts. We're finally going to elect our first female VP, though.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)from progressives and African Americans during the primaries. Oh right she didnt.
There is perception and reality. Sometimes they are close, sometimes they are far apart. Regardless of the reality, never ignore the publics perception of a candidate. We did that 4 years ago.
Unfortunately, the perception of Harris is that she wasnt that progressive as a prosecutor. Whether that is fair or unfair. Add to that shes from a reliable Democratic state and put any swing in play, there are just better choices for the VP spot on the ticket.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...proved a more popular choice for Democratic voters.
Kamala fell to the wayside, as ALL of the others eventually did, in favor of the more well-known candidate.
Most observers attributed this to the political climate which seeks a sure end to Trump's presidency, with voters choosing a proven winner in a presidential contest over relative unknowns. It would be ludicrous to equate support in the primary of the ultimate front-runner to any other candidate's record, so why does Harris deserve that charge?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)progressive Democrat may have cost her a percentage point or so during those months of struggle in the second tier, but that'd be pretty much all -- and the same for all of them for the reasons you list. From long before it all started, one candidate was always far ahead.
At this point I don't see why anyone would have a problem with her instead of others. The white male president will ultimately decide on his administration's agenda, and his assistant president will be a strong, liberal, progressive, female Democrat -- all of the VP possibilities being figures straight from the nightmares of the irrational right.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/04/kamala-harris-black-voters-2020-075651
bigtree
(85,917 posts)https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/03/kamala-harris-luther-campbell-2020-1479890
This black man (me) is 'bothered' by the continued effort to detract from and obscure Kamala Harris' actual record of addressing these issues endemic to the black community; efforts which presented concrete solutions, some of which were used as national models by the federal government.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)With the strongest possible candidates. Whether it is fair or not, progressives and some African Americans have issues with Harris. Plus she doesnt help in any swing states. There are other candidates who do and dont have her baggage.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...here's the data:
African-Americans say they will be more enthusiastic about voting for Joe Biden if he selects an African-American woman as his running mate for vice president, according to a new survey conducted by Northwestern Universitys Center for the Study of Diversity and Democracy (CSDD) (June 9).
The survey, conducted by Cloud Research/Prime Panels on behalf of the CSDD, showed that California Sen. Kamala Harris and former Georgia legislator Stacey Abrams are seen as favorites for the nomination.
Among the findings:
29% of the respondents prefer Harris for Bidens running mate; 28% prefer Abrams; 24% prefer former national security advisor Susan Rice, and 20% prefer U.S. Rep. Val Demings of Florida
59% of the African-American women who responded to the survey said that they would be more enthusiastic about voting for Biden if he picks an African-American woman to be his running mate.
50% of African-American women respondents said that they are more likely to campaign for Biden if he selects an African-American woman versus 40% who said that they will campaign for him regardless of the outcome of the vice presidential search process.
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2020/06/poll-black-woman-running-mate-favored-for-vice-president-biden/
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)He should have an African American woman on the ticket. And there are several great choices as the poll shows.
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)here are some snips; source below.
Laura Bazelon:
But with Harris emerging as a top contender for vice president, Bazelon isn't particularly worried. She now views Harris' law enforcement record as a "net neutral" for the senator.
I dont think theres the interest or the oxygen to relitigate it, Bazelon said in an interview. Shes positioned herself in the last couple of years as someone who really is on the right side of these issues and that carries weight.
Shaun King:
It made me much more comfortable with her as a potential VP pick," King added.
DeRay Mckesson:
Early in her career, Harris refused to seek the death penalty for a member of a gang who shot and killed a San Francisco police officer, prompting calls for the case to be taken from her. She reasoned that getting rid of prosecutorial discretion would threaten district attorneys like herself.
We went in the room prepared and engaged, and she was engaged and prepared and she pushed, and we pushed, and she was able to explain everything in a way that made sense even if you didnt agree with it fully, Mckesson said.
Shes clearly an expert on criminal justice, he added. The question is does she have big ideas to be able to undo some of the things we all know are creating harm in communities?
Rashad Robinson:
Asked whether Harris is one of those officials, Robinson suggested she was on her way.
I know she is willing to be in that conversation, he said last week, before abruptly excusing himself to take a call from the senator's office.
source: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/07/kamala-harris-biden-criminal-justice-reform-304534
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...no steam left in the Bazelon train.
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and signed by governors and presidents that are not reversed by courts. We also have to remember it's also an intensely political environment, with damned near every official across the spectrum having run on law and order issues. Of course her record as a prosecutor of CA law is more conservative than her own as a U.S. legislator.
The comparison that should be made is not between prosecutors and what civil rights activists (without any of the many constraints on prosecutors) call for but between prosecutors themselves to compare how they do their jobs in similar situations and to compare the ideology and goals they try to apply in the real world. Of course she did NOT "resist many needed reforms" because she was against needed reforms.
As for her record as a senator, since our liberal senators are elected by and represent whole states, and because their colleagues also represent whole states, they must present themselves relatively more conservatively than they may be personally and accept that what they collectively pass into law will also usually be.
We really need as many prosecutors as possible to be progressive and at least fairly liberal, so it's kind of important to not punish those who take their ideals to that arena by misunderstanding and trying to turn it into a career graveyard.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But the goal is to win the election and there are other VP candidates available who dont have Harris baggage.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)incidences -- instead of soaking up the selected "missing emails" and "Benghazi" versions of Harris's history delivered daily to everyone identified as vulnerable -- would take a great deal of time and still leave us to form opinions based on very inadequate information. Wouldn't it be better to learn how she'd wish to exercise discretion because of the kind of person she is and has proven herself to be overall?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)she is perceived by segments of the electorate whether fairly or unfairly.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)are influenced to the pile of misperceptions already inculcated? Well, if it does, no need to put ourselves out. We can always depend on propagandists to take advantage of opportunity.
Have a nice afternoon.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Unfortunately that is the reality of elections.
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)not lifelong.
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)There are many progressives and African Americans who have issues with her record. That might be unfair but it is the reality of the situation. The goal is to win the election so things like this need to be considered.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)Your first claim about black men not supporting her was linked in a Politico report to an article citing a rapper upset about her interracial marriage -- who had recanted. Not exactly what you claimed about black male support.
Secondly, the June 9 study above, polling 2000 black voters about the 2020 election finds Harris at the top of the list, with a majority saying a black VP is critical to their vote.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)but not by a wide margin. What that study found is that there are several African American women who are viable candidates.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...a miserable distortion of the facts.
And ZERO evidence presented that 'progressives' oppose her in any measurable or significant numbers, as you insinuate.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Please dont dishonestly put words in my mouth.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...definition:
You most certainly did claim this in repeated posts.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Please do.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)..that's the way this discussion thing works.
You write, I interpret for myself what you are saying.
You take care, now.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)What I did say was:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13579628
And I will note that I used the word many not all or even most.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And if the facts don't back up that disdain, they just pull stuff out of thin air.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)These are legitimate concerns. Will she put any swing states in play? What will her affect be on both progressive and African American turnout since some do seem to have an issue with her record, whether fairly or unfairly?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)And if you see my post #64, you will see how some of her critics have begun to back away from their initial statements about her.
Kamala Harris Record as California Attorney General
Debunking The Lies, Smears, and Distortions about Kamala Harris
And Harris is currently the top choice among Black voters for VP, the second choice is Abrams, but apparently she hasn't been contacted to be vetted by the Biden campaign, at least not yet.
Poll: Black woman running mate favored for Vice President Biden
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)but not by a wide margin. There are other choices who dont have her baggage, whether fair or unfair, and may put a swing state in play as well.
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)And her "baggage" is no worse than others who are being considered to be VP, but she HAS been vetted already.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)That remains to be seen. And how has anyone other than Biden been vetted? Also, will she put a swing state in play?
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)At this point it probably won't be Warren, and even less likely, Klobuchar.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Just because someone runs doesnt mean they were vetted. Trump certainly wasnt.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Do you actually read what you write before you hit "post"?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Do you?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Who would think anyone would want to sound like that on purpose.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)elleng
(130,133 posts)as there will be MUCH to execute.
No shrinking violets among the lists we're familiar with.
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)by that piece of shit, vile man.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Fired Up!
Ready to Go!
edhopper
(33,205 posts)I like Abrams a lot, but her resume is not strong enough for the VP slot.
Maybe if she could deliver Georgia to Biden. But with Kemp there I fear Biden would lose even if he wins.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Never has.
edhopper
(33,205 posts)the voters have to see the VP choice as a viable President.
And yes Abrams is viable to us, but we are trying to reach swing voters.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Obama would have lost to McCain.
Experience doesnt matter. Never has.
edhopper
(33,205 posts)and he actually lost.
Obama was a Senator. You want to think I am saying it is the "most important" issue. Which I clearly am not. But it is an issue when the person has no national or State wide office.
Abrams was a State Representative. She should have been Governor, but was Kemped.
I am sure we will continue to disagree on this.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Clinton had less experience than Bush.
Kennedy less than Nixon.
Lincoln less than Douglas.
Experience doesnt matter. It never has.
edhopper
(33,205 posts)of what I am saying in every way.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Experience doesnt matter and never has in elections. People vote with their hearts not their heads.
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-has-talked-obama-about-possible-vice-presidential-pick-n1166231
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Big deal.
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)bigtree
(85,917 posts)PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)RedSpartan
(1,693 posts)This is the way.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Warren at Treasury
Still undecided about A.G. I was really impressed by Sally Yates.
It's going to take the first four years to clean up the wreckage left by this current oligarchy.
Brother Buzz
(36,213 posts)It ain't rocket surgery, Baby!
JI7
(89,174 posts)and I knew it was going to be Joe Biden at the time.
In this case it makes me think of Harris.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)yes indeed
retread
(3,752 posts)helpisontheway
(5,004 posts)I want Biden to have a VP that will be loyal to him. I want him to have the type of VP that Obama had. I understand it was a debate but she took it too far. It was especially low because she was close to his son that died. He might look past it if its what is best for the country. I would have trouble with a VP that directly questioned my character.
bigtree
(85,917 posts)...but she clearly stated she didn't believe Biden was a racist.
I wonder, after the week we just had, if the country is really ready to take black Americans' perceptions of injustice and bigotry at face value, or are critics still determined to speak over them?
Anyway, here's Biden and Harris yesterday:
Link to tweet
There were no mentions of the running mate topic during the nearly hour-long event, which included a carefully planned question-and-answer session. But Biden and Harris called each other by their first names, and Biden mentioned that we talk a lot.
I believe he is the right person at the right time to lead our country through the crises that we face. He has our best interests at heart, Harris, a California senator and former opponent of Bidens in the 2020 Democratic primaries, said as she introduced him.
Shes been a fighter and a principled leader and I know because Ive seen her up close and Ive seen her in the trenches, Biden said of Harris.
Ive seen her heart, he said, recalling a moment, photographed by a Harris aide, in late 2018 when she saw him on the street and jumped out of a car to tell him, I love you and I love Beau.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-09/biden-fundraiser-with-kamala-harris-nets-3-5-million
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)Aviation91
(114 posts)bigtree
(85,917 posts)...another tireless and innovative legislator with a record of fighting for the people.
Brother Buzz
(36,213 posts)Kamala Harris' California is already in the bag.
mcar
(42,210 posts)Your photo offers a clue.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)DFW
(54,051 posts)Obama wisely waited until just before the 2008 convention to announce his VP pick, and most people who were just SURE they knew who it was were wrong.
By sheer chance (and some carelessness on the part of two of Biden's Senate staff), I found out it was Biden in the early morning of the day of the announcement, which wasn't made public until the late afternoon. I leaked it on DU in the morning, and got roundly trashed for it. I let the board in on the choice of Biden before any of the media knew, and all I got was abuse.
Because it involved a family member (and I didn't want to get Biden's staffers in trouble in case someone read DU), I said up front that I couldn't say HOW I knew, just that I did. THAT really unleashed the tide of fury.
"LINK?!?!?!?"
"What makes you so special?"
"That you, Barack?"
etc. etc. etc.
One person on DU--count 'em, ONE--came back on the thread and apologized after the announcement was made.
Link to tweet
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