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Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:59 PM

'Time for a change:' Cherokee Nation removes monuments dedicated to Confederate soldiers

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Principal Chief Chuck Hoskin Jr., in a prepared statement, said both monuments, placed on capitol square nearly 100 years ago when the property was a county courthouse and owned by the state, needed to be removed because "it was time for a change."

Weve suffered for centuries with too many others telling our story for us as they see fit, Hoskin said a news release. Its difficult to tell our story when we have non-Indian-driven monuments talking about the Confederacy, when they greet people as they come into our Cherokee Nation museum. It was time for a change.


https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/time-for-a-change-cherokee-nation-removes-monuments-dedicated-to-confederate-soldiers/article_901f5b5f-7bc8-5a51-9220-279a7046a5e2.html

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Reply 'Time for a change:' Cherokee Nation removes monuments dedicated to Confederate soldiers (Original post)
Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 OP
moose65 Jun 2020 #1
Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #2
Ex Lurker Jun 2020 #4
tirebiter Jun 2020 #3
Ex Lurker Jun 2020 #5
Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #6
Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #7
BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #8

Response to Bradshaw3 (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:04 PM

1. Wow!

The Daughters of the Confederacy strike again!

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Response to moose65 (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:11 PM

2. The so-called Five Civilized tribes were on the Confederate side

Some of the Choctaw and Cherokee owned slaves but not all of their leaders were happy about treaties signed with the Confederacy. Some fought in Indian Territory and some in other theaters. And, of course, the awful Daughters of the Confederacy used those ties to propogate the Lost Cause narrative through statues decades later.

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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 06:05 PM

4. General Stand Watie

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Response to Bradshaw3 (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 05:55 PM

3. Not that simple

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The mixed breeds were the slave owners as were the tribal leaders. The full bloods joined reluctantly. Then after the first battle most left and joined the Kansas all Indian Regiment and fought for the north. Slavery was the issue. Stand Watie was the first Brigadier General in the Confederate army.
The mixed breeds did include freemen, some of whom were slave owners. The full bloods took seriously the fact that the nation had sworn allegiance to the United Ststes of America. So, anyway, it was a bit complicated. The tribal leaders cut a deal with a Richmond because Richmond was willing to pay upfront for a deal. Near the end of the war the tribal leaders changed their minds and escaped to the north. They took with them a lot of Confederate cash which was by this time worthless. Bad decisions.

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Response to tirebiter (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 06:07 PM

5. H*** B**** is likecsaying the N word

Be better

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Response to Ex Lurker (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 07:05 PM

6. I agree n/t

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Response to tirebiter (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 07:08 PM

7. Some of that was covered in the article

Some of it is debatable. If you truly know the history then you should know that his name was Stand Watie, not Sam. Also, the term you used is racist.

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