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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMake no mistake- Putin KNOWS that Trump being re-elected would be a "kill shot"
to the United States.
He also knows that, should Biden be elected, there's a good chance (hopefully an excellent chance) that Russia will be held to account for its role in the US' last four, ridiculous years. He definitely doesn't want that.
Putin is going to do EVERYTHING in his power to make sure Trump is re-elected. Getting Trump elected in 2016 is the crown jewel of his achievements. He's already going bigger and bolder to make it happen this time, I'm sure.
Do not become complacent. The corruption and ignorance we are fighting against is going to make this a brutal uphill climb under the best of circumstances.
Demsrule86
(68,348 posts)actions YOU plan to take to avoid complacency? How are you helping to fight for Biden's election? What are you suggesting others should do?
coti
(4,612 posts)And I'm going to make sure that people I know- including those at DU- don't take the same attitude as 2016 and start thinking that it's in the bag and they can sit it out or vote third party to "send a message." Cuz it ain't.
What's your role going to be? Telling people it's already over?
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,225 posts)I agree 100% and appreciate your OP.
Getting pretty goddamned sick of the doom and gloom board-nanny accusations. The political chaos around us is much more complex than good poll numbers, stop all the doom and gloom!
If only things were that simple.
albacore
(2,387 posts)SO much fucked up.
hamsterjill
(15,214 posts)Why, may I ask, does this upset you so much? Many of us believe the 2016 election was stolen and we believe weve got to fight harder to win this time around.
If its doom and gloom in your opinion, why not just ignore it? If were truly ahead and win, great. If we all work harder and try to make sure we win, great.
Whats the problem?
usaf-vet
(6,094 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)being attacked by dittoheads
they could do a lot of long term good by exposing limbaugh/talk radio as the main culprit in this disaster, or are they thinking they could win without exposing the only advantage they had?
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,225 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)and ignoring it continues to be the biggest political mistake in history. it will be instrumental in interpreting any emergencies for trump benefit. unlike TV it can be locally coordinated with other local radio stations to pump out attacks on dem candidates while excusing and enabling the republican sacks of shit who did this. that messaging is louder than what dems will do to counter it after it has already left the barn. and no one is even wondering how many of those calls to show actually come from inside the US.
and then there are all the university and pro teams, with majority black athletes, who dems let endorse hundreds of RW radio stations without a complaint.
putin and trump depend heavily on use of the 1500 coordinated radio stations limbaugh leads - but limbaugh is croaking! if he goes soon and the talk radio monopoly falls apart it will be typical for dem leadership to blame the 10 pt move to the left on something they did - like GOTV, or trying harder, or getting more donations, etc.
there's a very good chance a big part of the collusion was putin> limbaugh > trump and democratic and media leaders completely ignore talk radio. limbaugh led the chorus of 2 mo of denial to help trump delay covid response. was that putin?
of course putin matters, and as long as he controls 1500 radio stations through limbaugh they have a lot to do with US politics and elections. so what are you going to do?
Turbineguy
(37,206 posts)Another 4 years would allows Putin to deliver the Coup de Grace.
dalton99a
(81,065 posts)StClone
(11,677 posts)greyl
(22,990 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)I tend to agree with you. Putin is KGB and they play the long game. They were way ahead of the curve in 2016
But now COVD has put a monkey wrench in everything
Plus in the global power game, China is the new player and they have Trumps number too
roamer65
(36,739 posts)All their investments will go to shit and unemployment rates will shoot to the moon in both nations.
It would make the Great Depression look like a cake party. Thats what the failure of a major reserve currency would do to the world.
safeinOhio
(32,527 posts)biggest market. I would guess Putin understands this.
winetourdriver01
(1,154 posts)Putin told his people he was going to take down the USA without firing a shot. He is brilliant in his revenge, and he must be stopped. The only thing I can say about him in all honesty, is I wish he was ours.
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,238 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Putin, with the help of Trump, is finally fulfilling Krushchev's threat.
This should be front, top and center on every news outlet/front page.
There is NO way they can spin this.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)will destroy America and all our our alliances, they will fill the void when this happens.
Botany
(70,291 posts)Trump was never elected in the first place. He was installed by Putin.
dlk
(11,432 posts)Putin has his eye on the prize - the destruction of our country from within, just as Nikita Khrushchev predicted so many decades ago.
Warpy
(110,903 posts)A damaged US limping along and trying to repair the severe damage inflicted over the last 4 years was his goal.
A failed state with nukes would be ten times as dangerous as a strong state with allies ever was.
I think Putin has pulled the plug.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)I also think Putin knows trump is a loose cannon who could turn in him also. You can't trust a narcissist, and Putin knows that.
Squidly
(783 posts)Who is going to do anything about it?
UTUSN
(70,496 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)I keep seeing this poll or that poll is good for Biden. No mention on what is being done to protect this election from having outside sources help screw it up again. Yes, we are fighting for the right for everybody to vote and stay safe while doing so but what about keeping watch on people who would be willing to give info to outside sources to help trump steal his way in again. Who is on the internet combating false information coming in? Who is making sure money deals are not being made behind the scenes? If trump has foriegn help to steal the election don't we have foriegn help to at least tell us "hey, we have noticed this going on on our side that you may want to look into" and I do not mean them doing it for us but at least letting us know. Are there ways we can make the electoral college work for the people and not just trump? I do not think any of us want to deal again with it looking like we are going to win then get a sudden change close to the end and lose.
Maybe I am being stupid or ignorant but after the last stolen election I am nervous.
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)American voter's minds are made up already - no one, no one is undecided.
If Russia put some 'Fuck Biden he's a racist' Facebook group together who is really going to care?
The die is cast.
coti
(4,612 posts)HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)I am not trying to be argumentative, I just think that we're building Putin up to be a lot more scary (and capable) than he really is.
I don't disagree that he would prefer Trump to win, but so would a lot of Republicans right here at home that have actual control over how (and if) we vote and they should be considered a lot more dangerous than Putin.
Beartracks
(12,761 posts)Can't trust the voters anymore to produce the "correct" results.
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tiptonic
(765 posts)Get ready for it, the future of our country, is hanging by thread. Putin is the puppet master. The few months, will determine if we survive or not.
Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)Still want to know why the GOP contingent went to Russia on July 4 couple years ago. We got some real traitors here folks.
ToxMarz
(2,154 posts)as in regime change for Putin (and not neccesarrily just figuratively)
coti
(4,612 posts)calimary
(80,693 posts)This is what I am most worried about as we ramp up to November.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)It's all over.
Kid yourself if you want, but you know it's the truth.
As the OP says, do not become complacent.
We have this one chance.
Vote, and make sure everyone you know votes as well.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Against an unpopular democrat candidate who had been trashed by the opposition And Media for 30 years. Thats it.
Some DU members are turning Putin into the Lord of Mordor who uses his seeing eye to do all kinds of magical things.
We lost in 16 because too many democrats either did not vote, went 3rd party or voted for trump. Had we had near the Obama turnout in key states and cities we would have won handily.
And we will have that turnout this year. Plus some.
I know we could still lose this thing, but it wont be because of Putin.
I watched Obama win here in Florida twice. Biden will exceed his margins.
Xolodno
(6,330 posts)His first goal was just to damage Clinton enough to keep her mired in domestic issues. Obviously he got more than he wanted. And from Bolton's book from what I've read so far, Putin is playing him like a fiddle. And Trump knows he is, but doesn't know how to stop it.
Unfortunately, we have to accept, Trump really is just that bad. He views our troops and bases in Europe, South Korea, etc. as us spending money to protect them while we don't get enough in return. He doesn't understand the concept that they help us in trade negotiations when we have them there and on top of that, if we didn't have them there, China or Russia would then have a lot more influence. Which would be detrimental to us.
Trump want's us out of NATO, not because Putin says so, although he would welcome it, Trump wants us out because he is that stupid.
gulliver
(13,142 posts)Putin's just a mob boss. Trump put us all under Putin's thumb, but when we get out from under it, we need to take up the matter with that weasel, Putin.
Grasswire2
(13,564 posts)Nothing more than a shrug there over the story today about Russia paying bounties for killed U.S. soldiers.
Lots of references to WW2 and other conflicts where strange alliances happened.
electric_blue68
(14,598 posts)It's unfortunately being realistic. Between Drumph, Putin, the GOP, RWs, China etc they're all working against basically the rest of us.
We have to act as though the leads that Biden has (so far) are not as good as they seem to be. Why?
Because we have to stay on our toes for real and potential roadblocks. We have stuff coming at us from almost all directions.
Stay informed, talk to our family, friends, neighbors. Do what we can voluntarily, give $ if we can, etc.
I answered a Biden poll recently , top issues, etc. Then they asked any other thoughts to help things along.
I said (among other things), get lawyers on the ground for challenges, get computer experts, and "white" hat hackers to try and monitor vote counts if possible.
I didn't think of having an exit poll counter at every polling place (darn).
We can have a bit of slack July, August because the average voter doesn't really get engaged until after Labor Day. Then we have go pretty much on full throttle as much we can till Election Day.
We can support each other's efforts here on DU.
GOTV!!!!!
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,238 posts)On Day 1 of a Biden Administration:
First: Begin the process of bringing tRump to justice.
Second: Begin the process of bringing Barr to justice.
Third: Begin the process of bringing all the other sycophant cronies to justice.
Four: Begin the payback to Putin and Russia for messing with us by making certain that the punishment is so severe that they will never mess with another country's elections again!