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Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:55 PM

 

CNN: Suspect in shooting of federal judge's son and husband at her New Jersey home has died

The person suspected of shooting the husband and son of US District Court of New Jersey Esther Salas on Sunday at her North Brunswick home has died of what is believed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to two law enforcement sources.

Daniel Anderl, a 20-year-old student at Catholic University, was killed in the shooting, and Mark Anderl, the judge's husband and a defense attorney, was injured, according to Chief Judge Freda Wolfson. Salas was unharmed, Wolfson said.

Both the US Marshals and FBI are investigating the shooting and were working to find the suspected gunman. Initial reports from law enforcement said Daniel Anderl opened the door with his father right behind him. The door opened to a hail of gunfire and the gunman fled, a law enforcement source told CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html

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Reply CNN: Suspect in shooting of federal judge's son and husband at her New Jersey home has died (Original post)
StarfishSaver Jul 2020 OP
Polybius Jul 2020 #1
PTWB Jul 2020 #2
triron Jul 2020 #3
Polybius Jul 2020 #4
Champp Jul 2020 #5
Polybius Jul 2020 #6
PTWB Jul 2020 #11
honest.abe Jul 2020 #17
PTWB Jul 2020 #21
honest.abe Jul 2020 #40
PTWB Jul 2020 #42
honest.abe Jul 2020 #46
Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #43
PTWB Jul 2020 #12
Champp Jul 2020 #16
Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #44
PTWB Jul 2020 #47
sarisataka Jul 2020 #8
PTWB Jul 2020 #9
BGBD Jul 2020 #18
StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #13
Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2020 #27
PTWB Jul 2020 #30
Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #41
PTWB Jul 2020 #58
NightWatcher Jul 2020 #7
sarisataka Jul 2020 #15
hamsterjill Jul 2020 #20
PTWB Jul 2020 #23
hamsterjill Jul 2020 #33
triron Jul 2020 #35
PTWB Jul 2020 #37
PTWB Jul 2020 #38
hamsterjill Jul 2020 #48
PTWB Jul 2020 #49
hamsterjill Jul 2020 #50
PTWB Jul 2020 #51
hamsterjill Jul 2020 #52
PTWB Jul 2020 #53
hamsterjill Jul 2020 #56
PTWB Jul 2020 #57
Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #60
PTWB Jul 2020 #62
Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #59
PTWB Jul 2020 #61
USALiberal Jul 2020 #26
0rganism Jul 2020 #10
triron Jul 2020 #14
Renew Deal Jul 2020 #19
PCIntern Jul 2020 #22
PTWB Jul 2020 #24
sarisataka Jul 2020 #25
Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2020 #28
PCIntern Jul 2020 #29
PTWB Jul 2020 #31
Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2020 #32
superpatriotman Jul 2020 #34
PTWB Jul 2020 #36
KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2020 #39
triron Jul 2020 #45
KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2020 #54
Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #55
jmowreader Jul 2020 #63
StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #64

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:16 PM

1. How convenient

"Self-inflicted" my ass.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:18 PM

2. How so?

Do you have any evidence to support that conjecture?

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Response to PTWB (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:22 PM

3. Seems naive to me think that is not the csae.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:22 PM

4. Assassin kills federal judge just assigned to Epstein Deutsche Bank case

Assassin's location immediately found. Assassin found dead with "self-inflicted" gun-wound. Carry on, nothing unusual to see here...

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Response to Polybius (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:25 PM

5. Dead assassins tell no tales

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Response to Champp (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:27 PM

6. Exactly

This is very suspicious.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:32 PM

11. The Judge wasn't shot.

Her husband was injured and survived. Perhaps he was able to identify the attacker.

The only one killed was the Judge's son.

"EXACTLY" you say. Jeez.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:43 PM

17. Well it could be an assassination attempt gone wrong.

Obviously the assassin would have been casing their house and must have know the judge was there. The wrong people came to the door and then after shooting them both he then bailed thinking the cops would show up before he could kill the person he was actually after.

Not an improbable scenario.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:49 PM

21. Sure, it could be.

It could be a lot of things. It could be connected to one of the Judge's current cases, or past cases. It could be she wasn't the target and her criminal defense attorney (and former prosecutor) husband was the target. He was shot, after all. It could be that she, or her husband, was having an affair and the shooter was a scorned lover or angry spouse. It could be that her son was mixed up with the wrong people and was the real target. He was the one killed, after all.

It could be a LOT of things. We don't know what it is. The people jumping to conclusions have the same information that you or I do - none.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:24 PM

40. Also we shouldn't "jump to conclusions" that since the Judge wasnt shot that she wasnt the target.

Of course there are many possible scenarios.. but some are more probable than others.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #40)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:33 PM

42. Absolutely.

The hired assassin theory, based on the judge being assigned the Deutsche bank case, is about the thinnest and least likely Iíve seen.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #42)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:45 PM

46. It certainly sounds like some sort of assassination... hired or not.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:34 PM

43. She was in the basement.

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Response to Champp (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:32 PM

12. Does this count if the "assassin" kills one, wounds one, and leaves one completely unharmed?

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Response to PTWB (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:39 PM

16. You'll have to ask a Republican or a Russian

But then they will lie to you, so save your breath.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:35 PM

44. He probably thought she was not home...

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #44)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:49 PM

47. Perhaps.

Perhaps he was acting strangely and demanded to delivery his package to directly to Judge Salas but her attorney husband and son were alarmed and didnít summon her.

It appears that the killer was an attorney, mentally disturbed and had a case in front of Judge Salas in 2015.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:28 PM

8. Except that the judge isn't dead...

In fact was unharmed.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:29 PM

9. I don't know if you could possibly be more wrong if you tried. Maybe you are trying?

You ought to correct the misinformation in your post.

You wrote: "Assassin kills federal judge just assigned to Epstein Deutsche Bank case"

The Judge you referenced, Esther Salas, is quite alive. In fact, she wasn't even shot by the "assassin." She certainly wasn't killed or even injured.

You referred to this recent case as the "Epstein Deutsche Bank case" when Epstein is only very loosely connected to the case. The case that the (very much alive) Judge Salas was assigned is a civil case in which investors are accusing Deutsche Bank of failing to properly monitor high profile customers -Epstein was one of those customers.

We have no information about the "assassin," how he or she was identified, or how he or she died. It is quite possible (likely, even?) that Judge Salas' husband, who survived the attack, was able to identify the assailant. Perhaps they had surveillance video at their residence. Perhaps a psychic told the authorities where to look.

I have just as much information as you do - essentially none.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:44 PM

18. This

 

I swear this story is being handled on this board like we are a bunch of Qanon loons.

Professional assassins don't leave their target unharmed.

People don't hire assassins to kill judges sitting on a civil suit against a bank over a dead guy. Names aren't going to get named in this case. They'd be far more worried about what the girlfriend had to say than anything in this case.

It's like people think there's never a case where somebody has a grudge. Their life has been ruined for some reason and they blame somebody else. They decide to kill themselves, but they're gonna get their payback first.

That's the most likely scenario here. The shooter likely knew them and had some reason in their mind to kill them. Much more likely it was personal than a professional job.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:33 PM

13. This somewhat misleading

 

This was a case in which investors sued Deutsche Bank for failure to comply with securities laws in its dealings Epstein. The bank had already admitted to the compliance failures and agreed to pay a hefty fine and there likely would have been no need for a trial in the case - and even if there were, the evidence would have been on rather boring regulatory and legal compliance issues, not Epstein's personal behavior or financial dealings. There was nothing in this case that appears to be damaging or threatening enough to anyone to have the judge assigned to the case murdered.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:58 PM

27. Everyone thought the family of a Federal Judge in Chicago was killed due to an association...

... with white supremacist Mathew Haleís case.

Turned out to be some guy who had a medical malpractice suit dismised by the judge. Similar tragedy. Killed the husband and the judgeís mother.

Weíll find out soon enough.

My buddy was also a judge and lived right behind this judge's house. Needles to say he stepped up security. My other buddy was watching his. House one time. He set the alarm off and half the Chicago police department showed up loaded for bear.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Lefkow

Ross had been a plaintiff in a medical malpractice case that Lefkow had dismissed. Investigators found over three hundred .22 caliber shells in the vehicle, casings of the same caliber that were found in the Lefkow home.[14] DNA evidence from Ross allegedly matched the cigarette butt found in Lefkow's home. Ross sent a handwritten letter to WMAQ-TV describing breaking into the Lefkow home with a plan to kill the judge.[15]
Financially stable, with a house, prior to contracting a rare mouth cancer, Ross underwent multiple surgeries and treatments. These completely cured his cancer, but left him massively disfigured, in constant pain, financially wiped out with deep debt, and living in his van. His attempts to sue the medical system may have been intended to jump-start the remainder of his life, but with no actual case of wrongdoing, they were inevitably dismissed.[16]

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Response to Polybius (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:12 PM

30. Not going to correct this misinformation?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:25 PM

41. The judge wasn't even shot.

 

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Response to Polybius (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:30 AM

58. Aged like milk.

Still havenít corrected this misinformation? The judge wasnít killed - she wasnít even shot. The case wasnít about Epstein. The killer was a deranged menís rightís activist.

Delete or edit your post.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:34 PM

15. Evidence?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:49 PM

20. +1000

No way in hell was it self-inflicted.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:50 PM

23. Why not?

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Response to PTWB (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:44 PM

33. Because my gut tells me so.

Is that good enough for you? If not, my apologies. You have no evidence to the contrary either because there hasnít been time for a full investigation. So why question my opinion?

Oh and by the way, my gut tells me that Epstein didnít kill himself either.



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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:51 PM

35. I'm with you.

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Response to triron (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:09 PM

37. Still?

Given the new information about the assailant?

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:09 PM

38. What is your gut telling you now?

Considering the new information about the identity of the assailant?

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Response to PTWB (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:08 PM

48. My gut is telling me we still don't have all the facts.

n/t

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #48)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:10 PM

49. True.

But we have a lot more facts now than when people started spouting their wild conspiracy theories.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #49)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:13 PM

50. Yes, that's what some of us do here on DU.

We spend our days promoting wild conspiracy theories so others can call us out. (Thatís sarcasm in case there is any question).

Good grief. I donít think itís a conspiracy theory to entertain the idea that a dead assailant may not have decided to kill himself. Letís give it some time.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #50)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:14 PM

51. Some here are peddling conspiracy and misinformation.

There was a guy claiming that Judge Salas was assassinated (she wasnít even injured) and that it was due to Epstein, and that the killer didnít kill himself!

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Response to PTWB (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:17 PM

52. Yes, and I saw that you sharply corrected that.

You are just Johnny on the spot, arenít you? Good job!

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:19 PM

53. Thank you!!

Correcting the spread of misinformation is of the utmost importance. The 2016 election should serve as a reminder of what can happen if we fail to do so.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #53)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:25 PM

56. And no doubt you will make that your goal in life to do that.

Iím so glad to know that Iím leaving the fact checking in such good hands.

Peace. End of conversation.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #56)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:33 PM

57. You can do your part, too, friend.

Just correct misinformation and baseless conspiracy when you see it.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #57)

Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:33 AM

60. Right...

It is hardly baseless. And we deal in opinion here...only mistake was that the judge was not shot...expect she was meant to be shot.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #60)

Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:38 AM

62. Interesting.

Do you think one opinion may carry more weight than another? Or do you judge all opinions to be equal regardless of their relationship with truth and reality?

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Response to PTWB (Reply #51)

Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:32 AM

59. It very likely may be due to the Epstein case....

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #59)

Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:36 AM

61. How so?

The case she was only recently assigned is only very loosely related to Epstein and killing the judge assigned a loosely related case certainly does nothing to the eventual adjudication of said case.

The killer was a deranged menís rightís activist attorney who argued before Judge Salas in 2015 and is linked to the recent homicide of another person.

Again, how does this attack help anyone related to the Deutsche bank case?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:55 PM

26. LOL, ok! nt

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:31 PM

10. oh my, what a hyuuuge surprise

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:33 PM

14. Good.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:46 PM

19. Mr. Robot

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:50 PM

22. I know this is right out of a novel

But is it possible that the assassin knew that there was a federal judge there, assumed it was a male, saw the man, shot him and figured his job was done. When the news reports came in that it was a female judge and then he shot the husband and killed the son, either he or someone else took matters into their own hands to solve the crime so to speak. Case closed, right?

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:52 PM

24. Not really, no.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:54 PM

25. So...........

Someone hired an assassin to kill a Federal judge, gave the address where the judge lives but neglected to inform the assassin the judge is a woman?

Who is the editor of this novel? They need to be fired.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:08 PM

28. We'll know in a matter of days if this guy had any business before the court.

This is sounding like the Chicago Lefkow case I linked above.

Everyone thought the Lefkow killing was loony racist Mathew Hale and his Church of The Creator loons. It turned out to be some dude who had a medical malpractice suit dismissed by the judge.

Similar tragedy. He was gunning for the judge but killed the judgeís mom and husband. Then killed himself when he was about to be caught.

This very possibly drug gang related. But it could be a single individual whose life was wrecked one way or another in court.

Judges deal on a daily basis with people at the end of their rope.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:10 PM

29. I know but mine is more literary!

😳

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:14 PM

31. This is early information but might prove to be a lot less conspiratorial than some here predicted.

https://www.abc15.com/news/national/suspect-found-dead-after-federal-judges-son-shot-and-killed-husband-injured-at-their-nj-home

The deceased suspect was an attorney who had a case before Judge Salas in 2015, sources said. A FedEx package addressed to Judge Salas was discovered in the car, sources said.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:20 PM

32. Speculation here but I bet she sanctioned the fuck out of him for something egregious.

Iím moving my timeline for motive up to tonight.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:49 PM

34. "...sources said."

Early, hazy reporting.

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:08 PM

36. Indeed.

But it is much more likely to be accurate than the completely unsourced conspiracy theories that were floating around here this morning.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:21 PM

39. This, on the dead suspect....

Anti-feminist lawyer killed federal judgeís son, source say
Roy Den Hollander is suspect in murder of Daniel Anderl
New Jersey Globe
By David Wildstein, July 20 2020 2:33 pm

Link: https://newjerseyglobe.com/fr/anti-feminist-lawyer-killed-federal-judges-son-source-say/

Excerpts:
The lawyer who is suspected of murdering the 20-year-old son of a federal judge has a practice specializing in anti-feminist litigation.

Roy Den Hollander represented a New Jersey woman suing the U.S. Selective Service System for the ability to register for the draft. U.S. District Court Judge Esther Salas had agreed to hear the case, originally filed in 2015,

Sources have identified Hollander, a New York attorney and former WABC-TV News political producer and writer, as the man who killed Daniel Anderl and shot the judgeís husband, Mark Anderl, at the familyís North Brunswick home on Sunday evening.

Sources have said that Hollander was found dead in New York of self-inflicted wounds.


And, this.....

Federal judge's son killed, husband shot in New Jersey; suspect found dead
By Eyewitness News

Link: https://abc7ny.com/federal-judges-son-killed-husband-shot-in-nj;-suspect-found-dead/6324993/

Excerpts:
A body later found at Campsite and Berry Brook roads in Rockland, New York, is believed to be the suspect. He is believed to be a lawyer, leading investigators to believe the judge's husband was the intended target.
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Police said the gunman was wearing a face covering and a FedEx uniform, posing as a delivery driver when he arrived at the family home around 5 p.m. Sunday. Authorities say Daniel Anderl opened the door and was immediately shot, with the gunman then wounding Mark Anderl before fleeing the scene.

There was no FedEx truck involved, and the suspect used an ordinary car to make a getaway, sources said.


KY

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:37 PM

45. Now I'm confused. What was the killer driving when the incident took place?

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Response to triron (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:21 PM

54. According to the ABC News7 article and an interview with a neighbor.....

Quote:

There was no FedEx truck involved, and the suspect used an ordinary car to make a getaway, sources said.


Another article I found had this to say:

The dead body was found in a car by a municipal employee. A FedEx package addressed to Salas was also found in the car, ABC reports. The unnamed man reportedly died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Police have yet to release a statement. A motive remains unclear and CNN reports there weren't any threats against the judge.

Found here: https://hudsonvalleycountry.com/attorney-found-dead-in-hudson-valley-allegedly-killed-judges-son/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

KY

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:23 PM

55. Nothing suspicious about that at all.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:56 AM

63. It's possible he was whacked because he didn't kill the judge

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #63)

Tue Jul 21, 2020, 01:04 PM

64. It's also "possible" that you or I or Hillary Clinton had him whacked

 

But the more likely scenario is that he was a deranged misogynist with an axe to grind against the judge overseeing a case he was involved in who attacked her family in her home and then killed himself.

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