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AnotherMother4Peace

(4,225 posts)
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:10 PM Jul 2020

The doctor behind a cognitive test Trump took says 'it's supposed to be easy'


The following is an article from Marketwatch about the Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MoCA).

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-doctor-behind-a-cognitive-test-trump-took-says-its-supposed-to-be-easy-for-people-with-no-cognitive-impairment-2020-07-20

The Doctor Behind A Cognitive Test Trump Took Says ‘It’s Supposed To Be Easy’

The Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MoCA) test discussed by President Trump and Chris Wallace is ‘not an IQ test,’ Dr. Ziad Nasreddine told MarketWatch

Dr. Ziad Nasreddine developed and copyrighted the Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MoCA) test in 1996, which is a 10-minute examination usually performed with pen and paper that measures the strengths of different areas of the brain related to cognitive domains, such as short term memory, spatial awareness and executive functioning. [They have expanded remote testing, including via an app on the Apple AAPL, +2.10% iPad, during the pandemic.]

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But as many doctors and armchair critics have been quick to argue on Twitter TWTR, +3.49% and Facebook FB, +1.40%, the MoCA exam should not be difficult for someone who is not cognitively impaired.

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“This is not an IQ test or the level of how a person is extremely skilled or not,” Nasreddine agreed in a call with MarketWatch. “The test is supposed to help physicians detect early signs of Alzheimer’s, and it became very popular because it was a short test, and very sensitive for early impairment.”
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The doctor behind a cognitive test Trump took says 'it's supposed to be easy' (Original Post) AnotherMother4Peace Jul 2020 OP
One of the twitter comments in the MarketWatch article: AnotherMother4Peace Jul 2020 #1
Agreed. It really is a screening tool to detect pretty obvious signs of cognitive impairment. Caliman73 Jul 2020 #6
But the thing is - he had pen & paper to figure it out, & only go back 5 places to 65 AnotherMother4Peace Jul 2020 #14
Trump is an idiot. Caliman73 Jul 2020 #20
I found that subtracting 10 and then adding 3 each time worked for me... Spazito Jul 2020 #18
That is a great strategy! Caliman73 Jul 2020 #19
A+ for that! colorado_ufo Jul 2020 #30
That's what I did PatSeg Jul 2020 #31
So he is VERY proud he"aced" a DEMENTIA screening. IllinoisBirdWatcher Jul 2020 #2
Finally, yes, any of us would pass the test in our sleep. Traitor is actually, for real, in real Eliot Rosewater Jul 2020 #3
OR more likely has a cognitive impairment in addition to being real dumb. nt AnotherMother4Peace Jul 2020 #5
What he is, in reality, is quite comforting to me... Moostache Jul 2020 #7
Did that feel as good to write as it was to read? Nevilledog Jul 2020 #10
Well....I don't want to imply anything untoward...but I wish hadn't quit smoking now! Moostache Jul 2020 #12
Ha! Venting is good for the soul, too. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #15
Righteous rant!! Docreed2003 Jul 2020 #16
I would like nothing more than a Lincoln Project riff on this as voice-over! Moostache Jul 2020 #22
Lmao...that would be epic! Docreed2003 Jul 2020 #25
😈 2golddogs Jul 2020 #33
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2020 #17
So true - he knows the jig is up, & people "know". That is why it so important for him to have his AnotherMother4Peace Jul 2020 #23
And he is dumb enough PatSeg Jul 2020 #32
and putting us in bdamomma Jul 2020 #27
We are seriously living in Idiocracy right now. Initech Jul 2020 #4
"10-minute examination usually performed with pen and paper" - Bunker Boy was even allowed AnotherMother4Peace Jul 2020 #8
10 Minute Test ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #11
I've gotten a drumpf campaign pop up a couple times with huge red lettering captain queeg Jul 2020 #9
Hey, Cap! ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #13
Everyone's in good shape!! PCIntern Jul 2020 #21
He did say the figure came from The Liar King . . . Journeyman Jul 2020 #24
Oh yeah. Good catch. But coming from trump who knows? captain queeg Jul 2020 #28
3 billion? JDC Jul 2020 #26
"executive functioning" soothsayer Jul 2020 #29
It's bad news he had to take the test, worse that he thinks it has bragging rights bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #34
If a doctor recommends you take it warmfeet Jul 2020 #35

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,225 posts)
1. One of the twitter comments in the MarketWatch article:
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:14 PM
Jul 2020

"I'm a psychologist. I've administered this test (the MOCA) hundreds, if not thousands of times. Let me tell you, bragging about acing this test is the equivalent of bragging that you tied your own shoes this morning." This was a twitter comment from the article.

Caliman73

(11,693 posts)
6. Agreed. It really is a screening tool to detect pretty obvious signs of cognitive impairment.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jul 2020

I have to admit though, I am not good at serial 7's.

Caliman73

(11,693 posts)
20. Trump is an idiot.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jul 2020

His need to brag about his performance on a preliminary dementia screening belies his "confidence". He pathologically needs to feel validation as an intellect when he is likely very average, cognitively speaking.

Spazito

(49,757 posts)
18. I found that subtracting 10 and then adding 3 each time worked for me...
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:57 PM
Jul 2020

just subtracting 7s each time was much more difficult for me, not sure what that means, lol.

colorado_ufo

(5,717 posts)
30. A+ for that!
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:57 PM
Jul 2020

The last time I underwent a general anesthesia, they asked me to count backwards by 7's! How the hell are you supposed to relax and go to sleep doing that?

I think I actually got to 100 and was out. Maybe it was a joke!

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
2. So he is VERY proud he"aced" a DEMENTIA screening.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:15 PM
Jul 2020

Have to wonder WHY doctors thought they needed to screen him.

Also have to wonder about those last five tough questions.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
3. Finally, yes, any of us would pass the test in our sleep. Traitor is actually, for real, in real
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jul 2020

life, a DUMB person, real dumb

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
7. What he is, in reality, is quite comforting to me...
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:27 PM
Jul 2020

He is an imbecile and what is worse for him?

He KNOWS it.
He feels it.
He is constantly tormented by his own inadequacies.

It leads to his ridiculous speech patterns and boasts.

He is tortured by the knowledge of his own inadequacies and the forced beliefs that he must project constant "winning" and constantly be "right" and never back down or show weakness....but in his mind and soul he KNOWS he is a complete joke.

An intellectual flyweight.
A bum, incapable of introspection by upbringing, incapable of love or empathy by abuse, and unworthy of sympathy by his own malevolence.

He is a man-baby incapable of growth, stunted and immature and tormented by it all.
He tells everyone how "great" he is, but he simultaneously gets that sick pit-in-the-stomach feeling of impending doom at every turn...

Suffer, you man-pig painted clown. Suffer and suffer and suffer some more and know this too...those who recognize your condition Trumpy Bear, are universally LAUGHING AT YOU. Hard.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
12. Well....I don't want to imply anything untoward...but I wish hadn't quit smoking now!
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:35 PM
Jul 2020

LOL!

Schadenfreude is not the most noble of emotions...but sometimes, dammit, its all we're let with!

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
22. I would like nothing more than a Lincoln Project riff on this as voice-over!
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 07:12 PM
Jul 2020

I picture the clips of Trump with his toupee flying in the wind...and the trudging up AF1 stairs with Toilet Paper stuck to his show, and the shit-stained pants while golfing, and the slow walk down the stairs at West Point...you know, the greatest hits video!

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,225 posts)
23. So true - he knows the jig is up, & people "know". That is why it so important for him to have his
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 07:15 PM
Jul 2020

hate fests to boost his ego. He knows the racists will always love him, no matter what.

PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
32. And he is dumb enough
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 09:02 PM
Jul 2020

to keep drawing attention to his shortcomings. No one asked him about that stupid test, yet he keeps bringing it up, making him look even dumber.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,225 posts)
8. "10-minute examination usually performed with pen and paper" - Bunker Boy was even allowed
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:27 PM
Jul 2020

to use a pen and paper for the simple math. There needs to be an intervention by someone - Bunker Boy's family, where are you?

ProfessorGAC

(64,419 posts)
11. 10 Minute Test
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jul 2020

5 of it is waiting for the word recall.
Anybody with a decently quick mind could do the test in 2.5 minutes or less, plus that 5 minutes.
And, they'd "ace it", too!

captain queeg

(10,036 posts)
9. I've gotten a drumpf campaign pop up a couple times with huge red lettering
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:30 PM
Jul 2020

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3,000,000 Americans think Biden is slipping! Well that’s less than 1% of the population so may be true. That many Americans are suffering cognitive decline themselves. I’d rather know how many Americans think dumpster don is slipping. I’m sure we’ll over 100 million, probably up near 300 mill.

bucolic_frolic

(42,672 posts)
34. It's bad news he had to take the test, worse that he thinks it has bragging rights
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jul 2020

It means he is dimly aware of what was being tested, that he thinks he aced it is laughable. This is the dementia stage beyond denial, he is being humored and allowed to drift in the wind. It's sad in a way, but also sad that there are not 25th Amendment patriots in the White House.

And the silver lining. Even if he did manage to "win" the election, it will be as vacuous as his test. Nature won't fit to the four year election cycle. Dementia waits for no one.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
35. If a doctor recommends you take it
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 09:19 PM
Jul 2020

they already have strong suspicions that you have cognitive impairment.

The recommendation to take it is indicative of a perceived problem.

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