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babylonsister

(170,960 posts)
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:55 AM Jul 2020

Biden Has Opened Up Huge Lead



https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/25/biden-has-opened-up-huge-lead/

Biden Has Opened Up Huge Lead
July 25, 2020 at 7:41 am EDT By Taegan Goddard

A new Echelon Insights poll finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump in the presidential race nationally, 53% to 38%.

Trump’s approval rate is 37% to 60%.

Democrats lead the generic congressional ballot, 51% to 37%.
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Biden Has Opened Up Huge Lead (Original Post) babylonsister Jul 2020 OP
Joe has good people working on his campaign.... ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2020 #1
Trump has a very bad, evil person working on his campaign, & everyone knows who he is.. Stuart G Jul 2020 #27
Well said Stuart. ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2020 #42
lol Demovictory9 Jul 2020 #51
8/4/16 - POLL: Hillary Clinton soars to 15-point lead over Donald Trump USALiberal Jul 2020 #2
This isn't 2016. SoonerPride Jul 2020 #4
Over confidence is a bad thing!! nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #5
Doom and gloom is worse. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #20
Who said doom or gloom????? Where did anyone say Biden was losing??? Silly BS! USALiberal Jul 2020 #28
Granted and we all need to steer clear of that. paleotn Jul 2020 #30
He also never had the extraordinary level of popularity she had when she was Secretary of State. StevieM Jul 2020 #32
Exactly..we are not going to be fooled again Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #14
This isn't 2016 Norbert Jul 2020 #6
And there will be no ill-timed Comey letter TrishaJ Jul 2020 #8
Not to mention that most Americans are onto him now. GoCubsGo Jul 2020 #19
There will be a John Durham report timed in a way they think will be most helpful to Trump. nt pnwmom Jul 2020 #26
I actually think the Comey letter was deliberately timed just perfectly by the GOP. StevieM Jul 2020 #34
Another thing: no more indifferent/undecided voters FakeNoose Jul 2020 #23
That's called a post convention bounce Tom Rinaldo Jul 2020 #13
That was one post-convention bounce poll. Yavin4 Jul 2020 #18
That was after the convention...convention boost...geez Biden has been leading the entire Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #29
Great reminder to stay vigilant, BUT a KEY difference (that I'm seeing in almost every Grown2Hate Jul 2020 #47
All undecided breaking for TrumpElection Fraud Captain Zero Jul 2020 #50
Trump at 37%.....and dropping. oasis Jul 2020 #3
Ditto, yortsed snacilbuper Jul 2020 #7
+1000 Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #22
Dump Trump is gaining momentum. Kid Berwyn Jul 2020 #41
Schadendfreude Festival being organized at a town near you. oasis Jul 2020 #43
The lead can never be big enough. George II Jul 2020 #9
This oswaldactedalone Jul 2020 #10
Good to see the finally-under-40% Trump approval I saw before in another poll... Silent3 Jul 2020 #11
That's great but it's not over until all the votes are counted IronLionZion Jul 2020 #12
Exactly Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #15
I take nothing for granted, especially national polls. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #16
Huge leads don't mean much until all the votes are counted! imanamerican63 Jul 2020 #17
Good news, but I've never heard of Echelon Insights - 538 rating? Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2020 #21
Although 538 DOES post their polls, it's one of the few without a rating. Not sure why Grown2Hate Jul 2020 #48
Pedal to the metal! We need to crush these traitors the PaulRevere08 Jul 2020 #24
101 days to the election tiredtoo Jul 2020 #25
While greatly heartening, those numbers are still so close as to defy belief. BobTheSubgenius Jul 2020 #31
I expect the martial law experiments to increase in number as a result. ehrnst Jul 2020 #33
We don't know if that news is good or great bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #35
Quiet Trump Voters JGug1 Jul 2020 #37
Biden's Lead JGug1 Jul 2020 #36
Dukakis campaign was naive. Bush was no monster. bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #39
yes, we all remember Dukakis jacksonian Jul 2020 #40
I don't like how some talking heads are saying......"oh don't put anything a kennedy Jul 2020 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jul 2020 #44
YES !!! ***LIKELY VOTER POLL / LOW MOE!!!!*** Let's get happier when the swing state LV polls uponit7771 Jul 2020 #45
Great news! He's had huge leads all the way. R B Garr Jul 2020 #46
What's the difference between Trump and the Hindenberg? Blue Owl Jul 2020 #49
Average of polls at 538 has Biden up 8 Cicada Jul 2020 #52

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,469 posts)
1. Joe has good people working on his campaign....
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:03 AM
Jul 2020

The polls are showing that Americans are looking for a calmer, more common sense candidate. One who feels for the people, relates to them, can communicate hope to them.

Sticking to the issues important to them will get him elected. The chaos Trump is sowing is NOT working. Soon, they will see that it is their freedoms as well that will be suppressed if this police action on his part continues, not just for those who are doing the protesting. There are not 2 US Constitutions, one for Trumpers and one for everyone else.

Stuart G

(38,359 posts)
27. Trump has a very bad, evil person working on his campaign, & everyone knows who he is..
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jul 2020

If you need to ask who, then you need to do some more research...

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
30. Granted and we all need to steer clear of that.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:18 AM
Jul 2020

I personally won't let up until Wed., Nov. 4. Make no mistake, it's going to be a tough slog, but there are a few things I think we've got going for us in 2020 that we didn't have in 2016....

- The country as a whole is tired of his bullshit. It's just not funny or interesting anymore. The shiny, new object is more than a little tarnished.

- Massive numbers of people are out of work and hundreds of thousands have died and will die due to a pandemic made far, far worse by his galactic fuck ups.

- The Dem candidate isn't polarizing, like Sec. Clinton. For whatever reason, she's a lightning rod. A very smart, capable and experienced lightning rod who I highly respect, but a lightning rod regardless. Psychologists could write volumes on why that is, but it simply is. Joe Biden isn't. He's likable, whatever the hell that means. He's well respected by many even in the Rethug camp. In short, he doesn't have the baggage Sec. Clinton had.

- Opposition to the current regime and Republicans in general is healthy in virtually all segments of US society...except racists and nazis. We're never going to penetrate that segment, but who would want to?

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
32. He also never had the extraordinary level of popularity she had when she was Secretary of State.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:40 AM
Jul 2020

Rewritten history notwithstanding, Hillary Clinton was the most popular public figure in America for a few years. But I guess nobody remembers that anymore. Getting swift boated is rough.

Norbert

(6,030 posts)
6. This isn't 2016
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:39 AM
Jul 2020

1. trumpettes can't demonize Joe like they did Hillary (for over 20 years).

2. trump has to run on his 'record', or lack thereof.

3. trump resides over a botched pandemic and civil unrest.

4. There is a more defined Republicans for Biden.

5. trump's behavior is much more erratic than 4 years ago.

Vote like we are 15 points behind.

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
19. Not to mention that most Americans are onto him now.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:20 AM
Jul 2020

Nobody, other than his flying monkey cult followers are going to buy into whatever "October surprise" he will try to pull. That includes any COVID-19 vaccine he has rushed out.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
26. There will be a John Durham report timed in a way they think will be most helpful to Trump. nt
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:46 AM
Jul 2020

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
34. I actually think the Comey letter was deliberately timed just perfectly by the GOP.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:42 AM
Jul 2020

That wasn't bad luck for HRC. There was no happenstance at all in the timing of when it came out.

FakeNoose

(32,328 posts)
23. Another thing: no more indifferent/undecided voters
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:25 AM
Jul 2020

In 2016 too many people went to the polls, closed their eyes and said "eeny-meeny-miney-moe." That's how Chump got so many last-minute votes, people just didn't care or didn't bother.

This time - NOBODY is undecided, including many of those who voted for Chump last time. Many of those people regret it and wish they could take it back. We only hear the crazy ChumpHumpers who make noise and wear the stupid hats. But a LOT MORE have quietly decided they're not voting for him again.

I agree that this isn't 2016 but we still have to work very hard to overcome the lies, cheating and illegal voter suppression of the GOP. We all know it's happening and it will get worse.


Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
13. That's called a post convention bounce
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:15 AM
Jul 2020

The DNC was held from July 25 to 28 in 2016. Each party candidate usually jumps in popularity immediately after their national convention telefest, then the bump fades.

Yavin4

(35,354 posts)
18. That was one post-convention bounce poll.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:20 AM
Jul 2020

Currently, almost all polls are showing Biden with a double digit lead, and he hasn't even selected his VP yet.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
29. That was after the convention...convention boost...geez Biden has been leading the entire
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:59 AM
Jul 2020

time...the pugs are now desperate for debates which won't help their asshat candidate.

Grown2Hate

(2,005 posts)
47. Great reminder to stay vigilant, BUT a KEY difference (that I'm seeing in almost every
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:41 PM
Jul 2020

poll comparison from then); notice that Hillary is STILL under 50%, despite the big lead (she was at 48% in that poll). And the undecideds all apparently broke for Trump, enough for the NARROWEST of victories.

Biden is well over 50% in this poll (53% is not insignificant); it's a LOT harder to convince someone that actively wants to vote for Biden to switch to Trump than it is to convince undecideds to move that direction.

Your point is well taken; fight like hell still and stay vigilant. But I do see this as an extremely positive sign at this point in the race.

GOTV!

Captain Zero

(6,714 posts)
50. All undecided breaking for TrumpElection Fraud
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 02:13 AM
Jul 2020

The Russians got in the poll books. If they could do that, they could get in election tabulators too.

Kid Berwyn

(14,642 posts)
41. Dump Trump is gaining momentum.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:37 PM
Jul 2020

Gonna be a ten flush job, too, with all his enablers clogging the whirlpool o’ justice.

Silent3

(15,018 posts)
11. Good to see the finally-under-40% Trump approval I saw before in another poll...
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:12 AM
Jul 2020

...wasn't just a blip or statistical anomaly.

It's a terrible shame, however, that it's taking the needless deaths of 100,000+ people for some of living to see Trump for what he is.

IronLionZion

(45,251 posts)
12. That's great but it's not over until all the votes are counted
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:14 AM
Jul 2020

we need high turnout and they are trying to suppress it as much as they can, targeting liberal cities in swing states

Lonestarblue

(9,874 posts)
16. I take nothing for granted, especially national polls.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:19 AM
Jul 2020

We have to account for Republican dirty tricks and outright fraud. And at least some in the mainstream media trying to tear Biden down to make it a closer race and gin up their profits. I think it was last week when Biden said something along the lines of Trump being the first racist president. WaPo had an article (not an opinion piece) saying that Biden was confused or wrong because we’ve had other racist presidents, like Woodrow Wilson. The writer was correct but also seemed to be trying to say that Joe gets confused and gets things wrong a lot. All the writer had to do was say that Biden was obviously referring to Trump as the the first “openly racist” president, but much of the article was showing that Biden was wrong.

Grown2Hate

(2,005 posts)
48. Although 538 DOES post their polls, it's one of the few without a rating. Not sure why
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:49 PM
Jul 2020

that is; maybe too new? It also could be because I don't see a breakdown of WHO they polled in their sheet (unless I missed it; just "Likely Electorate", which they don't go into super detail about).

However, it's really not a huge outlier; seems to be trending in this direction.

PaulRevere08

(449 posts)
24. Pedal to the metal! We need to crush these traitors the
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:34 AM
Jul 2020

same way Grant and Sherman did. Keep pounding them on all fronts.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
25. 101 days to the election
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:39 AM
Jul 2020

Do not take anything for granted. We must increase our efforts to get out the vote. This is far from over.

bucolic_frolic

(42,655 posts)
35. We don't know if that news is good or great
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:43 AM
Jul 2020

Republicans may be ashamed of admitting to pollsters that they will vote for Trump. So they say Biden.

How many will overcome their shame? Who knows. Shame is virgin territory.

JGug1

(320 posts)
37. Quiet Trump Voters
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:51 AM
Jul 2020

I think this claim has been discredited. Also, commons sense discredits it. Trump supporters HAVE no shame.

jacksonian

(736 posts)
40. yes, we all remember Dukakis
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jul 2020

but the past election outcome that worries me is Dewey vs Truman.

Dewey was ahead the whole race. Nobody gave Truman a chance, but he used his incumbency to pull off a narrow surprise victory. The power of incumbency is huge.


a kennedy

(29,458 posts)
38. I don't like how some talking heads are saying......"oh don't put anything
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jul 2020

past tRump”......and “it’s not over till it’s over.” Nice to have a lead, but gotta make sure the effort to let up because of the polls doesn’t diminish our work in getting Joe elected.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
45. YES !!! ***LIKELY VOTER POLL / LOW MOE!!!!*** Let's get happier when the swing state LV polls
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 05:19 PM
Jul 2020

... come in then it'd be harder for Red Don to cheat

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
46. Great news! He's had huge leads all the way.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:28 PM
Jul 2020

A complete domination of all opponents. The voters have spoken, and the polls are stronger than ever.

Blue Owl

(49,902 posts)
49. What's the difference between Trump and the Hindenberg?
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:45 AM
Jul 2020

One's a flaming Nazi gasbag, and the other's a zeppelin

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
52. Average of polls at 538 has Biden up 8
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 07:34 AM
Jul 2020

Betting markets have Biden up leading 60% to 34%.


Some people think betting markets are more accurate than polls.

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