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Eugene

(61,593 posts)
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 12:24 AM Sep 2020

Portland killing suspect and victim had guns, documents say

Source: Associated Press

Portland killing suspect and victim had guns, documents say

By ANDREW SELSKY
September 4, 2020

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — ?Both the suspect in the slaying of the right-wing protester in Portland, Oregon last weekend and the victim had handguns when their confrontation started after dueling street demonstrations, according to court documents made public Friday.

The documents said victim Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a supporter of a right-wing group called Patriot Prayer, was wearing a loaded Glock pistol in a holster and had bear spray and an expandable metal baton when someone said something like “wanna go,” which is frequently a challenge to a fight.

Authorities have said they believe antifa supporter Michael Forest Reinoehl, who was fatally shot by federal agents late Thursday in Washington state, then opened fire and killed Danielson after he took part in a caravan of President Donald Trump supporters who drove pickup trucks through downtown Portland.

Some of the Trump supporters fired paint ball pellets at counter-demonstrators, while Black Lives Matter protesters tried to block the vehicles.

Law enforcement officials released the information they had compiled — justifying an arrest warrant for Reinoehl on a second-degree murder charge in the Aug. 29 killing — one day after Reinoehl’s killing shook a quiet suburb of Olympia, Washington.

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Read more: https://apnews.com/f0418fd4a37be8d9b6953c8359109587
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Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
2. we still don't know the circumstances of Reinoehl's death.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 12:34 AM
Sep 2020

He was shot fifty times.

A LEO said he "heard" that Reinoehl had a weapon.

We've seen no evidence.

And I don't trust fed LEO under Barr.

Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
6. Here's an AP article with some conflicting information.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 12:59 AM
Sep 2020

[link:https://apnews.com/f0418fd4a37be8d9b6953c8359109587|





There's a witness who says she saw him open fire. But here's the LEO: Lt. Ray Brady of the Thurston County Sheriff’s Department said investigators have not concluded whether Reinoehl fired any shots.

Brady said the “suspect” who was killed — he declined to name him as Reinoehl — left an apartment shortly around 7 p.m. Thursday, got into a vehicle, and was confronted by the task force members. They fired into the vehicle, Reinoehl got out and ran and was shot, Brady said.
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So, there's a lot of room there for speculation. They fired into the vehicle while he was leaving. And he's a suspect, not a convict.

Another report says thirty to forty shots were heard.


LizBeth

(9,946 posts)
7. Wow. Thanks. So he is in the car, not firing, then runs cause he figures they are trying to murder
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 01:04 AM
Sep 2020

him since they are already shooting. I just read your bit you provided, going to go in to see what I missed because I do that sometimes.

Thank you. I didn't see this article and i have been keeping my eye open to see.

Edit: Reading the article now, ya, not buying he fired. Will have to continue to see about updates. Running like that knowing they are firing is more like desperation cause no options.

Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
10. oh, here's some corroboration of the number of shots fired at him from that AP article
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 01:57 AM
Sep 2020

Brady said investigators haven’t yet determined how many rounds were fired but witnesses Chad Smith and Chase Cutler, who were working on cars nearby, told The News Tribune they saw two SUVs converge on a man in a vehicle at the apartment complex. They said they heard 40 to 50 shots, the Tacoma, Washington, newspaper reported.


And this:

Brady said the four task force members who fired their weapons were two Pierce County Sheriff’s deputies, a police officer from the Washington city of Lakewood and Washington State Department of Corrections officer.

So four LEO fired a total of forty to fifty shots. And there's no reporting that he fired a weapon, but rather was running away.

LizBeth

(9,946 posts)
13. Right. At least four officers, sounds like more and the man is going to start shooting a gun trapped
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 12:21 PM
Sep 2020

in a car. And running is a fool choice as the bullets flying.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,483 posts)
5. Two guns. Two grown men dead. Two groups of family and friends devastated.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 12:50 AM
Sep 2020

Is it really worth all that just so insecure men can feel falsely protected and empowered?

America is not asking itself this very basic life and death resolving question.


KY........ .... ....... .......

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
12. Two people dead because of our batshit interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 02:50 AM
Sep 2020

It should not be legal for civilians to carry firearms at protest demonstrations.

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