Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:30 PM
Roland99 (53,046 posts)
Bloomberg should take that $100 million for FL & pay the fines for all ex-felons
Seems that would help GOTV better than some ads
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31 replies, 1225 views
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Roland99 | Sep 2020 | OP |
soothsayer | Sep 2020 | #1 | |
msongs | Sep 2020 | #3 | |
kimbutgar | Sep 2020 | #2 | |
TreasonousBastard | Sep 2020 | #5 | |
Hoyt | Sep 2020 | #7 | |
dameatball | Sep 2020 | #17 | |
dameatball | Sep 2020 | #18 | |
tblue37 | Sep 2020 | #22 | |
TreasonousBastard | Sep 2020 | #28 | |
tblue37 | Sep 2020 | #29 | |
BComplex | Sep 2020 | #8 | |
JI7 | Sep 2020 | #4 | |
still_one | Sep 2020 | #6 | |
Qutzupalotl | Sep 2020 | #9 | |
JI7 | Sep 2020 | #10 | |
Funtatlaguy | Sep 2020 | #12 | |
Claustrum | Sep 2020 | #14 | |
Funtatlaguy | Sep 2020 | #15 | |
Claustrum | Sep 2020 | #16 | |
Awsi Dooger | Sep 2020 | #30 | |
Claustrum | Sep 2020 | #31 | |
Claustrum | Sep 2020 | #13 | |
tblue37 | Sep 2020 | #24 | |
Thunderbeast | Sep 2020 | #11 | |
TheBlackAdder | Sep 2020 | #19 | |
LNM | Sep 2020 | #20 | |
JI7 | Sep 2020 | #21 | |
brooklynite | Sep 2020 | #23 | |
Roland99 | Sep 2020 | #26 | |
brooklynite | Sep 2020 | #27 | |
GoCubsGo | Sep 2020 | #25 |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:31 PM
soothsayer (38,601 posts)
1. Have read it's very complicated as they don't know what they owe
And no one will tell.
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Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:33 PM
msongs (65,350 posts)
3. read that too. some bills are easily paid others lost in records hell. prob is u think
you've paid all the outstanding fees etc then at vote time the repubs pop up with more fees they've hidden away (if they are that smart)
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:32 PM
kimbutgar (18,404 posts)
2. I thought Lebron was doing that but Florida didn't keep records of how much the felons owe
I frickin despise republicans in Florida!
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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #2)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:41 PM
TreasonousBastard (42,085 posts)
5. Whoa! They can't get out until they pay their fines, but no one knows what the fines are? This...
is obscene.
Debtor's prisons were abolished by federal law in 1833. Since they wouldn't go away, the Supreme Court abolished them again in 1983. But they are still not going away! Another reason to support the ACLU-- it has a large project going to fight this bullshit. |
Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #5)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:46 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
7. I think they are out, they just can't vote until some amount is paid, whatever that is.
Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #5)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:05 PM
tblue37 (58,163 posts)
22. It's a poll tax, not debtor's prison, since they aren't in prison anymore. nt
Last edited Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:49 PM - Edit history (1) |
Response to tblue37 (Reply #22)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:39 PM
TreasonousBastard (42,085 posts)
28. OK ("poll tax", btw). But poll taxes were banned by the 14th, 15th and 24th Amendments and were
finally put to rest by the Supreme Court in 1966.
So it's still illegal. |
Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #28)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:51 PM
tblue37 (58,163 posts)
29. Yeah. Autocorrect got me. And yes, of course it's illegal, but a Republican judge just OK'd it
anyway.
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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #2)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:51 PM
BComplex (7,061 posts)
8. That needs to be taken to court. The court should give them 30 days to produce the final amount
and whatever they say that amount is, they can't come back later and say it's more than that. Final should be final, and it should be on a judge's order.
That's wrong on so many levels for them to tie these former prisoners like that. They've paid their debt to society, they should be good to go. The ACLU aught to be all the hell over this issue. |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:34 PM
JI7 (87,738 posts)
4. He needs to focus on GOTV for the whole state and as others said the fines are complicated
and others are dealing with it. But he can put some of the money towards it.
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:53 PM
Qutzupalotl (13,265 posts)
9. Here's where to donate to an organization that pays the fines:
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:58 PM
JI7 (87,738 posts)
10. You assume they would all vote democratic. While I'm fine with helping with the fines
for anyone that needs it , that alone is not going to help win the state.
Im sure some are Trump supporters and some won't vote. So money needs to go towards many areas. |
Response to JI7 (Reply #10)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:07 PM
Funtatlaguy (10,432 posts)
12. Only pay fines after a quick interview. Flush out the Trumpers.
Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #12)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:09 PM
Claustrum (4,466 posts)
14. So in other words, you are fine with felon's inability to vote if they are non-voters or Trumpers?
Response to Claustrum (Reply #14)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:15 PM
Funtatlaguy (10,432 posts)
15. Yes. Call it situational ethics for now ...but, yes, whatever helps us win.
Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #15)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:22 PM
Claustrum (4,466 posts)
16. I still think it's better to target race, gender, age issues is better than just focusing on felons
because being felon isn't a special group that leans one way or another politically. But these people decide to vote just the same way based on race, gender, age, education level, etc.
Helping the felon is definitely part of the winning equation but it isn't the one thing we do and we win FL that some people seem to think. |
Response to Claustrum (Reply #16)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 08:28 PM
Awsi Dooger (14,565 posts)
30. Unquestionably...the felon vote is absurdly over hyped
It is a terrible allocation of resources to target that vote. Many detailed studies have indicated it would basically split down the middle. There was one that suggested it would lean slightly red.
Ever since this bill was passed in 2018 there was nonsensical belief that you could take the gross number and assign the entirety to the Democrat. That is Happy Adjuster caliber of thinking, the same mindset that has had Trump resigning 25 different times. Just get rid of it. There is reason the country remains close to 50/50 despite one demographic shift after another. There are always balances in the other direction. It is far more logical to attempt persuasion among known voters and logical categories of swing voters. |
Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #30)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 09:30 PM
Claustrum (4,466 posts)
31. Exactly, I also see a lot of once Texas turn blue, GOP will forever be doomed.
First, even if Texas turn blue, it doesn't stay blue forever. It will most likely be purple that could flip either way. Secondly, WI, MN, NV and some other states are trending more red along with the already red OH. It looks to me that the purple states will be different but the advantage whichever side get won't be so overwhelming that the other will have no chance of winning ever.
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Response to JI7 (Reply #10)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:08 PM
Claustrum (4,466 posts)
13. So much this!!!
I don't understand why people seem to think felons will all vote one way or the other. Their votes are more likely to be affected by their race, education level, gender, etc. than their felon status. That's not saying help is not needed but getting all of them to vote doesn't guarantee a win as much as people like to think.
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Response to JI7 (Reply #10)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:06 PM
tblue37 (58,163 posts)
24. Or that they would register and vote. Some would, but many maybe wouldn't. nt
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:59 PM
Thunderbeast (2,804 posts)
11. I donated last night
Trump CAN NOT win without Florida.
Florida is ALWAYS close (see 2000). The restored votes CAN tip this election. Voting rights restoration is the right thing to do....AND is a great political investment. |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:56 PM
TheBlackAdder (26,075 posts)
19. Florida is a RW leaning state. Are the majority of ex-felons conservative or liberal?
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While voting is a right that should be returned to all citizens, especially after paying their debt to society, I'm not sure this would have the effect that a lot of people think will result. Any thoughts? . |
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #19)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:00 PM
LNM (1,022 posts)
20. My guess is liberal, since the Republicans are the ones blocking their voting rights.
and I agree, it should be returned to all citizens.
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Response to LNM (Reply #20)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:03 PM
JI7 (87,738 posts)
21. That's based on race . Many black people are treated more harshly
and some are probably wrongly convicted.
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:06 PM
brooklynite (85,586 posts)
23. Why do you assume they would end up voting...much less vote Democratic?
Response to brooklynite (Reply #23)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:15 PM
Roland99 (53,046 posts)
26. A fund setup for those seeking to vote wouldn't be that difficult
Response to Roland99 (Reply #26)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:18 PM
brooklynite (85,586 posts)
27. I think a commitment to vote as the requirement to get criminal penalties paid would be illegal.
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:07 PM
GoCubsGo (31,106 posts)
25. LeBron James and other pro athletes are already stepping here.
https://www.theroot.com/group-of-black-athletes-donates-100-000-to-help-pay-de-1844505234
I suspect others will follow, and Bloomberg is certainly welcome to contribute, as well. |