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Artifa. Our next door neighbor and our friend across the street were Antifa.
They all fought in WWII against Hitler and Stalin and Lenin abd Mussolini. They were the lucky ones. They all came home.
See! Antifa does exist. Our fathers and uncles and grandfather's and great grandfathers and the wives and sisters who were nurses and menbers of the underground were all Antifa. We follow in their footsteps.
FeelingBlue
(667 posts)Why have Dems not made more of exactly this point?!?!?!?
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Look at "Global Warming" and "Defund the Police". The true meanings of those, plus Antifa, are not the same as the spin the Nazis put on them.
We need some phrases so simple that even neocons will understand them. Some thought has to be put in.
rsdsharp
(9,042 posts)and Russia, led by Stalin, was on our side.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,816 posts)people.
rsdsharp
(9,042 posts)However, we didnt fight them in WWII. or for tat matter, ever, (at least not directly).
IADEMO2004
(5,538 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Yet nevertheless they are facts.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)a la izquierda
(11,784 posts)Were supposed to be the party that, you know, uses facts and such.
rsdsharp
(9,042 posts)is to call me out for stating a fact. I might pose your own question to you.
NotANeocon
(423 posts)- without them North Americans and Europeans might be mainly speaking German, Without Russia the European Theater would have inevitably fallen to the Reich.
The ruskies also lost more people to WW11 than any other nation.
Would you call the Russians Antifa - or what did they fight and die for?
AZ8theist
(5,339 posts)It's the same thing Putin is fighting for today. We must never forget this.
Russia looks to rule the world while western democracies look to share it.
Russia's intentions were clear in WWII when we made them part of the triumvirate. In the book "The New KGB" it was outlined how Russian emissaries traveled to the US with a list of needs to fight the Nazis. They took everything they could get and more.
Included in their haul were aerial photos of New York City. Hardly useful in fighting the Germans, but very valuable for targeting the US in the future.
NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, FORGET THAT RUSSIA IS OUR ENEMY.
AND TRUMP IS A FILTHY FUCKING TRAITOR.
NotANeocon
(423 posts)There are many outside of the USA who would assign that role to the USA - or at least to the deadly 0.1% who rule the USA,
Of course today China and India mess up the whole simplistic binary arguments pro temps,
That still does not change the fact that without Russians fighting and dying in droves on the Eastern front Europe would have fallen - and they were never properly thanked for saving Europe. They got just as dead as the Allies and were no less altruistic in their dying.
AZ8theist
(5,339 posts)However, it was not a foregone conclusion that Eastern Europe would have remained in German hands. Winter on the eastern front stalled Germany as much as the Soviets did. Hitler fighting a world war on 2 fronts had zero chance of succeeding.
And everyone seems to have missed my entire point. Russia was planning a long war against the west. As either a communist dictatorship, or the fascist oligarchy as it currently exists.
NotANeocon
(423 posts)Sort of like the real current USA system. It could accurately described as a nascent fascist oligarchy legally bought by some billionaires.
Celerity
(42,666 posts)disaster capitalism and the interlocking shock doctrine says otherwise
go to the '3rd world' nations and ask them how 'shared with' they feel
AZ8theist
(5,339 posts)Celerity
(42,666 posts)you said
unless you mean only share it with other western democracies (which is fucked up in an of itself)
then my comment is quite clear
they are not so good at the sharing part, and I used the 3rd world as an example of nations not being too 'shared with'
AZ8theist
(5,339 posts)Instead of democratic institutions?
Of course both systems have their drawbacks, but what do we offer the world?
Refugees are not flooding into Russia and China seeking a better life.
Celerity
(42,666 posts)gangster capitalism
smdh
AZ8theist
(5,339 posts)Since I refuse to insult fellow DUers. Unlike some on this thread.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
Celerity
(42,666 posts)cheers
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)a la izquierda
(11,784 posts)Not democracy, Ill tell you that.
NotANeocon
(423 posts)- that after 40 years of Voodoo Economics people would see that is is designed to transfer the wealth of the middle class to the 0.1% and create economic feudalism.
Celerity
(42,666 posts)is now down to 3 or 4 (it fluctuates) as Bezos has exploded in wealth, end of August 2020 he became the first modern person worth 200 billion USD)
World's eight richest people have same wealth as poorest 50%
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/jan/16/worlds-eight-richest-people-have-same-wealth-as-poorest-50
NotANeocon
(423 posts)The "black plague" pandemic killed the land feudalism system. May Friedmanism meet the same fate when we weather this storm.
Celerity
(42,666 posts)Celerity
(42,666 posts)Celerity
(42,666 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,816 posts)all had horrible fathers. Hitler's father beat him so badly he was unconscious fir 3 days. Stalin's father was just as brutal. Trump's father was emotionally brutal.
I always found it odd that Hitler and Stalin both almost went into the priesthood. I guess Hitler could really sing.
And both had weird relationships with their mothers.
Trump doesn't quite fit that pattern. But Hitler and Stalin didn't grow up wealthy. Maybe that was the difference.
But they all had physical deformities. Hitler and Trump had huge sexual priblems and Stalin had a defomed arm. They were all wierdos.
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japple
(9,773 posts)"medication." rRump's mother, according to Mary Trump's book, was mostly absent due to illness during the formative years of Donald and his brother Robert. They were "raised" by the household staff and without a whole lot of nurturing.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)appalachiablue
(41,055 posts)Rev. War, Civil War Union service, WWI, WWII, Korea
leftyladyfrommo
(18,816 posts)Quantrill's Raiders.
appalachiablue
(41,055 posts)The James Gang went thru OH, KY, WV area robbing banks. There was a cave that JJ hid in the woods below my uncles' house that we knew about and found as kids, a big deal.
Military service from family here 350+ years.
Good point about Hitler and Stalin's abusive fathers which produced tons of aggression, monsters.
As well as a toxic father, Hitler also lost siblings in childhood, his mother had cancer- serious losses and dysfunction. He was the remaining child to survive I think.
~ Many thanks to your family's military sevice fighting fascists.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,816 posts)I think most if them stayed out of the Civil War. But I don't know that. My grandmother's told me about gorillas raiding the farms nut I thought she meant gorilla gorillas and that made no sense at all.
I think a lot of farm people in Southern Missouri weren't on either side. They just tried to stay out of it. I imagine they were southern sympathizers. I think they were not very wealthy and probably were not slave owners
Everyone is dead now. I would have loked to have known more.
appalachiablue
(41,055 posts)kid I read a encycl. bio about Stalin being b. in Georgia and was truly puzzled. lol
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I imagine there are plenty of MAGATs who would be confused as adults, with a so called High School education, about why Stalin was born in Georgia.
Nah! Im giving them too much credit.
alfredo
(60,065 posts)Otter Creek Park is the location. This was the first cave I explored.
https://www.facebook.com/OtterCreekORA/photos/morgans-cave/2072429586305286/
appalachiablue
(41,055 posts)That's a cool cave from what I saw on FB. I don't know much about Morgans's Raid, am looking this up now.
alfredo
(60,065 posts)appalachiablue
(41,055 posts)alfredo
(60,065 posts)spanone
(135,636 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)accountable for knowingly misrepresenting the truth.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Skittles
(152,965 posts)he was antifa
IronLionZion
(45,261 posts)radical noodle
(7,990 posts)I've made this same point on Facebook before but most don't get it.
nuxvomica
(12,364 posts)He was antifa, as were his brothers. My uncle died somewhere in France. I never learned which battle but his buddy had taken a bad hit and my uncle carried him back to safety. My uncle only had a flesh wound so his buddy, also antifa, got the penicillin they were rationing at the antifa field hospital while my uncle died from his infected wound. His buddy survived and my Sicilian grandmother, again, antifa, traveled by herself to a hospital in New York City to hear the story from the buddy. So I hate inadequate healthcare but I hate fascists even more. I guess I'm antifa.
FailureToCommunicate
(13,989 posts)soldiers.
Also, like you, leftyladyfrommo, one of my great great uncles fought in Civil War, though on the Union side.
His regiment, 1ST Missouri Rifles, was the first to sign up in Franklin County, MO. The history of the unit shows that as the traveled by train to Saint Louis they heard that a Confederate band was going to board the train at one upcoming stop and start shooting. The captain of the 1St pulled a gun on the train engineer and demanded that he NOT stop at that station.
They made it to Saint Louis.
Great Uncle August was wounded in the knee in battle and died of his wounds. (Medical treatment was in infancy then, and bullets were large.)
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And Lenin was dead by WWII.