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Thu Sep 24, 2020, 06:08 AM

We're in the midst of a coup d'etat

which should be blatantly obvious to everyone. If Trump moves to carry out this coup during the election, the military must stop him and appoint the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, as acting president while all the ballots are counted.

What justifies the military doing this? The oath they all took which in part says, "... and to defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." (underline and bold type added) If Trump isn't a domestic enemy of our democracy, then words are meaningless.

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Reply We're in the midst of a coup d'etat (Original post)
Cyrano Sep 2020 OP
bullimiami Sep 2020 #1
soothsayer Sep 2020 #2
still_one Sep 2020 #5
TxVietVet Sep 2020 #30
bluestarone Sep 2020 #36
Texin Sep 2020 #41
machoneman Sep 2020 #20
Cyrano Sep 2020 #26
Texin Sep 2020 #42
Doremus Sep 2020 #60
machoneman Sep 2020 #21
onlyadream Sep 2020 #3
lonely bird Sep 2020 #28
TxVietVet Sep 2020 #32
still_one Sep 2020 #4
BGBD Sep 2020 #6
still_one Sep 2020 #7
Lonestarblue Sep 2020 #8
BGBD Sep 2020 #10
still_one Sep 2020 #17
BGBD Sep 2020 #65
dem4decades Sep 2020 #9
Cyrano Sep 2020 #14
dem4decades Sep 2020 #23
Kaleva Sep 2020 #11
johnthewoodworker Sep 2020 #15
gordianot Sep 2020 #40
Kaleva Sep 2020 #49
BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #50
cwydro Sep 2020 #48
Kaleva Sep 2020 #53
cwydro Sep 2020 #54
Kaleva Sep 2020 #55
cwydro Sep 2020 #57
Kaleva Sep 2020 #62
BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #51
Layzeebeaver Sep 2020 #12
Cyrano Sep 2020 #31
doc03 Sep 2020 #13
still_one Sep 2020 #18
BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #39
Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2020 #63
BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #64
Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2020 #66
bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #16
ginnyinWI Sep 2020 #19
soothsayer Sep 2020 #22
johnthewoodworker Sep 2020 #29
TxVietVet Sep 2020 #35
Roc2020 Sep 2020 #24
Mc Mike Sep 2020 #25
Greybnk48 Sep 2020 #56
Mc Mike Sep 2020 #67
bluescribbler Sep 2020 #27
Cyrano Sep 2020 #38
wildman76 Sep 2020 #33
malaise Sep 2020 #34
seta1950 Sep 2020 #37
Texin Sep 2020 #43
Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #44
Cyrano Sep 2020 #45
Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #46
sarisataka Sep 2020 #47
BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #52
DSandra Sep 2020 #58
BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #59
Zeitghost Sep 2020 #61

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 06:40 AM

1. trump is musing out loud about fomenting a coup. should be obvious to everyone that he is insane.

truly, clinically.

what it will come to? no one knows.

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Response to bullimiami (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 06:56 AM

2. I think he'll leave after being voted out

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:15 AM

5. He is telling us exactly what he is going to do, and ignoring it will be to our peril

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Response to still_one (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:40 AM

30. I agree.

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Response to still_one (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:53 AM

36. I agree

Just look at his track record! The proof is right there! If he's dumb enough to tell us what his plans are, WE better be PREPARED!!!

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Response to still_one (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:59 AM

41. Fully agree. When someone tells you what they're going to do, BELIEVE THEM.

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:10 AM

20. Like Nixon, it will take a majority of Republiscum Senators and House weasels to talk him....

into submission to the will of the people.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:36 AM

26. Won't happen. They are on their knees for dear leader.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:00 AM

42. Yup. They're on those knees with mouths wide open.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:37 PM

60. Yes, the majority of repuke senators been so vocal in their disagreement with him.

Hello? Are we on the same planet?

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Response to bullimiami (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:12 AM

3. I am truly terrified.

I feel like he’s lining up all his ducks, and we’re helpless.
We thought we got him with Muller (remember all our smug “It’s Muller Time memes?), we thought the pussy tape, or “bleeding out thru her whatever” would have got him, we thought his blatant blackmail of the Ukraine would have got him, the kids in cages, etc. he is truly the Teflon Don. I feel like this is another one of those things that he’s going to get away with, and it will end our democracy.

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:38 AM

28. Is it because he is Teflon?

Or is it because Republicans don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut about what he says or does? They know. They ALL know what he is. They. Do. Not. Care.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #28)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:45 AM

32. It's all about the conservanazis seizing power.

They are not going to stop tRump💩. They Republicans are now teabagging kkklucker conservanazis. They get power and to Hell with our system of government. .

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:12 AM

4. You are right. He is telling exactly what he is going to do. He must be impeached again

We cannot just let this "play out". He is threatening the country


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Response to still_one (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:29 AM

6. He is baiting

he would love to be impeached again.

This is all to distract from Covid.

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Response to BGBD (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:31 AM

7. I don't think it is an idle threat

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:35 AM

8. I don't either. Trump always projects what he is doing or plans to do.

What worries me more are the devious Trump lawyers, who have obviously care nothing for the law or they would not be working for Trump, and what they are planning behind the scenes to keep him in power. They probably have not even told Trump because everyone knows he can’t keep his mouth shut. But I would bet that Jared knows and is working with the lawyers.

Joe’s team can prepare for the things Trump has said, but they better be prepared for a bunch of surprises too.

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:36 AM

10. He isn't capable.

do you think the Democratic Governors in most of the states he would need would just sit back and say oh well?

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Response to BGBD (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:03 AM

17. No, but republican Governors in states like Florida, and republican legislators I wouldn't put it

past them to try and get enough electors in those states to have electors defy the electoral college will

They are forcing through a SC justice with less than two months to go, with hopes that it would impact a contested election by throwing out those mail in ballots.

While I do not think even this SC would entertain that, I think there is a real question how likely it would be for the individual states to loosen the criteria for rejecting mail-in ballots

His statements are intended to create chaos, and if he loses to encourage his followers to not accept the results, and incite them to violence against the government.

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Response to still_one (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:48 PM

65. Florida

isn't enough to give him a win.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:36 AM

9. Trump is planning to win the election by not counting votes, If he is successful he will "win".

Not by force but by attorneys. How are you going to call out the military for that?

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:57 AM

14. Their oath says nothing about a

violent coup. A coup is still a coup no matter how it's done.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:18 AM

23. Look I'm as worried as anybody but if Trump cooks the books, whose is going to call it a coup and

call out the military?

We're in deep shit, the person in power knows he can't win a fair vote and is doing EVERYTHING to remain in power. Even trying to get the state legislatures in swing states to insert Trump electors to the Electoral College even if he loses the vote in that state.

So even if we win the popular vote and the Electoral college, he will try to change the Electoral College voters after the election.

Who will decide? The Trump Supreme court?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:38 AM

11. What are your plans?

If you believe that what you say is a real possibility, then you already have well thought out plans in place. My guess is that you've already stocked up on guns, ammo, food and other supplies. And you also have all the local crazy Trump supporters in your area identified.

If you haven't done any of the above, then you don't think there will be a coup.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:59 AM

15. This seems pretty nonsensical.

Are you saying you can't have a real belief that a republican coup is underway unless you have developed a rational, all encompassing response plan? Because I believe the coup is underway and I don't know how it will play out. I did buy guns earlier this year and live in a heavily red area of the state. I have no idea how this country looks or works if it's successful. Coups happen, whether people are prepared or not. Some people recognize it, some don't. But to say you don't really believe something because you don't have a plan is flawed.

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Response to johnthewoodworker (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:58 AM

40. People survive coups.

At some point they may need to make a choice. Be ready to make that choice. This does not mean you need to go full survivalist militia.

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Response to johnthewoodworker (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 11:03 AM

49. It's human nature. People take extreme actions when faced with an extreme threat

people who think they may at some time suffer a fire in the home install smoke detectors, CO2 detectors, fire extinguishers, have emergency fire escape ladders in upstairs bedrooms and a fire escape plan. A smoker worried about cancer will quit or at least make serious efforts to quit.

You can tell just how seriously someone believes an issue or possible event is by observing what actions they take in response to it. This is human nature backed by science and not just mumbo-jumbo voodoo. The greater the reprieved threat, the greater and more vigorous the response. No response means the issue is of no importance.

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Response to johnthewoodworker (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 11:05 AM

50. Yeah

Except for the fact these efforts are aimed at sewing hopelessness and decreasing turnout. That’s what they are about. Period.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 10:05 AM

48. So if you have all those things, what's the next step?

Curious.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #48)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 11:07 AM

53. depends on you and how serious you think the threat is.

Some people here have said they'll do whatever it takes. At least one said he'll sacrifice his life.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #53)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 11:47 AM

54. To do what exactly?

None of this makes any sense.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 11:58 AM

55. Well, you probably don't have the threat identified.

OP states:"We're in the midst of a coup d'etat".

You have to believe that is actually happening before deciding how to deal with that. If so, you can either join the coup or fight to oppose it. Or maybe you think it's happening but you don't care so then you don't have to do anything.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #55)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:22 PM

57. This is a huge country.

How does one “fight the coup?”

Drive to DC with weapons? Hell, there’re still travel restrictions in many states.

Beat up one’s trumpy neighbors? Would that help? I’m not getting it.

I remember when the buffoon got into office, and people here were all “I’m gonna wear a safety pin.” And people are still afraid to even put a sign in the yard or a sticker on their car...not seeing a big resistance movement coming anytime soon.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #57)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 03:23 PM

62. I see a lot more talk then preparing for any actual action.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 11:06 AM

51. +1

It’s all a whole lotta bullshit.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:52 AM

12. The constitution designates the succession plan not the miiltary

Regardless, it will be a true constitutional crises.

If the military gets involved, then GOP will declare it a "democrat coup"

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Response to Layzeebeaver (Reply #12)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:43 AM

31. It is an all out assault on the constitution

and Pence is a part of it. Let the GOP throw a fit. In fully backing dear leader's crimes, they have forfeited any credibility or right to have a say about anything.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:55 AM

13. Trump is far too stupid to be doing this on his own. I think the far right has been

planning this even before Bill Clinton was elected. That was when Rush Limbaugh and Fox News started their
propaganda machine. They demonized Hillary Clinton for decades then they saw a useful idiot Trump to carry out their coup.
This goes far above Trump he is just the useful idiot. I think Hillary knew more than she could say when she talked about the
vast far right conspiracy.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:05 AM

18. and I think it is not unthinkable that he is using the advice and resources of putin who has had

a lot of experience in this


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Response to doc03 (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:57 AM

39. "the far right has been planning this even before Bill Clinton was elected."

This vile scumbag weasel is right at the front of the list (before Raygun, before Limpballs, before Faux Snooze) -



There was an excellent essay in The Atlantic a couple years ago that delves into that here - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/

One excerpt -

n June 24, 1978, Gingrich stood to address a gathering of College Republicans at a Holiday Inn near the Atlanta airport. It was a natural audience for him. At 35, he was more youthful-looking than the average congressional candidate, with fashionably robust sideburns and a cool-professor charisma that had made him one of the more popular faculty members at West Georgia College. But Gingrich had not come to deliver an academic lecture to the young activists before him—he had come to foment revolution.

“One of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty,” he told the group. “We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal, and faithful, and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around the campfire but are lousy in politics.” For their party to succeed, Gingrich went on, the next generation of Republicans would have to learn to “raise hell,” to stop being so “nice,” to realize that politics was, above all, a cutthroat “war for power”—and to start acting like it.

The speech received little attention at the time. Gingrich was, after all, an obscure, untenured professor whose political experience consisted of two failed congressional bids. But when, a few months later, he was finally elected to the House of Representatives on his third try, he went to Washington a man obsessed with becoming the kind of leader he had described that day in Atlanta. The GOP was then at its lowest point in modern history. Scores of Republican lawmakers had been wiped out in the aftermath of Watergate, and those who’d survived seemed, to Gingrich, sadly resigned to a “permanent minority” mind-set. “It was like death,” he recalls of the mood in the caucus. “They were morally and psychologically shattered.”

But Gingrich had a plan. The way he saw it, Republicans would never be able to take back the House as long as they kept compromising with the Democrats out of some high-minded civic desire to keep congressional business humming along. His strategy was to blow up the bipartisan coalitions that were essential to legislating, and then seize on the resulting dysfunction to wage a populist crusade against the institution of Congress itself. “His idea,” says Norm Ornstein, a political scientist who knew Gingrich at the time, “was to build toward a national election where people were so disgusted by Washington and the way it was operating that they would throw the ins out and bring the outs in.”


And here we are 42 years later.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 05:28 PM

63. So true! The despicable Newt has been a major "influencer" and "disrupter" in this.

During the interview last month at the Republican National Convention, [CNN anchor Alisyn Camerota]remarked: “Violent crime, murder rate, is down.”

Gingrich replied: “The average American, I will bet you this morning, does not think crime is down, does not think they are safer.”

AC: “But it is; we are safer, and it is down.”

NG: “No, that’s your view.”

AC: “These are facts; these are national statistics.”

NG: “No, but what I said is also a fact. … The current view is that liberals have a whole set of statistics which theoretically may be right, but it’s not working with [where people are.]” (garbled)

AC: “But … what you’re saying is … liberals use these numbers; they use this sort of magic. These are the FBI statistics. They’re not a liberal organization. They’re a crime-fighting organization.”

NG: “But what I said is equally true: people feel more threatened.”


AC: “Yes, they feel it, but the facts don’t support it.”

NG: “As a political candidate, I’ll go with how people feel, and I’ll let you go with the theoreticians.”

(Emphasis mine. From: https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/aug/27/laura-templeman-disrespect-for-facts-an-unforeseen/)

I could never be in AC's position because I would have replied to “But what I said is equally true: people feel more threatened” with something along the lines of, "Yes, because of the long-running, unrelenting, well-funded efforts by you and the rest of the vast RW propaganda machine to make them feel that way!"

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #63)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 06:59 PM

64. He's the father of the RW loon bullshit "alternative facts"

People like him start off doing this sort of thing as "performance art" but then something happens, they snap, and then completely disconnect from reality, forever locked into a distorted world-view and manner of discourse that they can't turn off. It basically becomes all-consuming.

That article from that Atlantic mag established this behavior throughout the entirety of the interview. Here you have Gingrich giving his interview while visiting the Philly Zoo and Philly's Academy of Natural Sciences, and while he is grandiose in his huffing and puffing about himself, he is also continually using his surroundings (the animals at one place and the dinosaur bones at the other) to childishly frame every aspect of life as he sees it, as being destroyed by "teh [sic] liberals".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #64)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:41 PM

66. Yep. So, sort of the leader and member of a self-created cult of (his own) personality?



It's just mind boggling that facts simply don't matter. Or, worse. Many researchers seem to be saying that confronting RWers with facts actually makes them more belligerently attached to the lies they believe. I honestly don't know how to function in a world where these cults comprise a significant percentage of the population. Especially when many of them are in power.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:59 AM

16. It's a very uncertain landscape

Coups usually occur in smaller countries where the geographic center of power is in one main central city. The US has many large cities. Not that Washington isn't the center of power, but it is not the only location of power, 50 governors, major metro mayors, Congressional offices in home states and all that. I think any attempted coup in the actual moment would be unevenly applied. There would be regions going right, and regions going left. Consolidating power would prove difficult. it's not at all clear what physical forces would be used to enforce a coup; there are so many, and loyalties are likely to be divided. Fortunately a monolith does not exist that we know of.

So I don't doubt the premise of the OP, but think through the implications and realities however you see them. Most people would probably plan on hunkering down for awhile.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:05 AM

19. He's going to lose.

He’s way down in the polls and won’t win.

He just wants to demoralize people so they won’t vote.

And the media wants something to talk about!

Whenever he makes these “we’ll see” kind of statements, that’s all it amounts to.

Last ditch effort to try to hang onto his delusion of being a winner.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:13 AM

22. Yes

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:39 AM

29. He never intended to win this election. When a sociopathic narcissist tells you they are stealing

the election, believe them.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:50 AM

35. I pray you are right.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:28 AM

24. After the election Trump won't give a damn

He will have no choice but to leave. He will then use whatever power he has left to keep his money and keep him and his family out of jail.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:35 AM

25. Attempted coup. rec,nt

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 12:07 PM

56. Attempted. I agree McMike n/t

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Response to Greybnk48 (Reply #56)

Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:13 AM

67. That bloated swine attempted to run some casinos, too, Grey. nt.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:37 AM

27. The actual oath I took upon enlistment in1969

According to Wikipedia:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God)."

"...I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States..."

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Response to bluescribbler (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:56 AM

38. You're right

Ergo, if a president and his enablers are in the process of destroying the Constitution, that oath implies that the military should stop them all, Pence included. Since civilian control of the military is a must, the Speaker of the House, who is next in the line of succession, would be appointed acting president until all votes are counted.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:45 AM

33. I totally agree with you

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:47 AM

34. That happened in 2016

He stole it then

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:54 AM

37. Exactly

It’s horrifying that this is allowed to happen, why ask him about it, does he have a choice? I didn’t think so, the media is failing us big time.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:02 AM

43. The rethuglicans have dreamed about this since the FDR New Deal. There is ZERO chance they'll stop

him. It will never happen.

Best case scenario: a meteor hitting Earth and destroying it. At least it'd be quick.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:10 AM

44. If the military does this, it is a coup, just as if Trump did it.

America will either stand or fall on the integrity of its institutions and following the constitution.

Pelosi doesn’t need the military; she can fight the chicaner herself, if it gets that far, and the military can follow her, not install her.

SCOTUS cannot install Trump as president, they can only rule on cases where they have jurisdiction. If a Governor/SOS certifies a vote in their state and appoints a slate of electors according to state law, SCOTUS will likely not have a role to play, try as Trump might. If the margin is outside the legal trigger for a recount, no SCOTUS.

It’s going to be rough and chaotic no doubt, but to resort to military means to reach a justified end defeats the purpose of democracy.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #44)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:41 AM

45. And when Trump's thug militias take to the streets?

If he fails to steal it, he will shriek it was stolen and the armed crazies will be out there creating chaos. I believe that, one way or another, the military will be involved in this election. Better that they get involved under their oath, rather than under the illegal orders of a criminal president (and all of his enablers) who is trying to destroy the Constitution.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:52 AM

46. The military won't follow unlawful orders, no matter who they come from

Joint chiefs made that clear in a recent memo.

If Pelosi becomes president through legitimate constituents process, the military will follow her, but they won’t likely be shooting militia members in the streets, unless Pelosi invokes the INsurrection Act, and that is unlikely.

Trump may try to invoke the Insurrection ACT before Jan. 20 - that’s where things get tricky. If people riot and loot and give him justification, it will be a shit show. If people peacefully protest, and he still attempts to call out the military, then that’s where the rubber meets the road for American democracy and the Rule of Law. Peaceful Protestors could bring the country to a standstill, and crash the economy by refusing to work, and more importantly, refusing to buy anything, right during Christmas season in the middle of a pandemic. Not a single can of tuna or bag of soup need be thrown. The next few months will show what stuff Americans are made of.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:56 AM

47. I love it when the military overthrows governments

it always works out so well...

Just for shits and grins, when happens if Trump wins the Electoral vote when Ms Pelosi is the acting President under this military rule? Would her and military leaders be tried for treason?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 11:07 AM

52. More overwrought nonsense



Fascinating, and maybe slightly amusing, some here are so easily rattled by Trump. These posts will not age well. But believe me, I’m keeping the receipts.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #52)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:27 PM

58. Not the time to bury your head in the sand

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Response to DSandra (Reply #58)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:34 PM

59. Awww well bless your heart

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:57 PM

61. The Military...

The Military installing a new President prior to 1/20/20 is the very definition of a coup. There are legal methods to temporarily or permanently replace a President. Those are our options until Biden is sworn in. If he decides to "stay" after that, a nice group of Secret Service agents will escort him and any supporters off the grounds of the Whitehouse.

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