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Wed Sep 30, 2020, 08:58 PM

"White privilege" does not mean white people should be treated with the same indecency as others.

It means we should likely be treating the other groups at the higher standard we generally see with whites. It seems too often that folks misconstrue this idea and advocate for mistreatment of folks simply because we don't like them, or because we know they had it easier than they would have if they were black. This thought process is not justice -it is vengeance. And if we truly aspire to achieve a fair system of justice then yes, we should call out the system when it is unjust -even if it is unjust to those we don't like (ie Parscale being tackled onto pavement completely unprovoked and inebriated).

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Reply "White privilege" does not mean white people should be treated with the same indecency as others. (Original post)
jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 OP
JI7 Sep 2020 #1
ismnotwasm Sep 2020 #2
jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #3
Karadeniz Sep 2020 #6
jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #7
JI7 Sep 2020 #12
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JI7 Sep 2020 #50
ismnotwasm Sep 2020 #36
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demmiblue Sep 2020 #4
jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #5
JI7 Sep 2020 #9
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Thomas Hurt Sep 2020 #11
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RGTIndy Sep 2020 #62
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kcr Sep 2020 #67

Response to jorgevlorgan (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:01 PM

1. Fuck Parscale. He supports white supremacy . He supports caging kids

the problem isn't people being angry at shitty racist white people and not giving a shit about them.

The problem is the racist shitty white people like Parscale .

Parscale was treated far better than he should have been. They even for a fucking cop friend to come out there and he still didn't listen.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:02 PM

2. Dude.

Not even the same universe as getting shot dead while sleeping black.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:04 PM

3. Doesn't matter.

The scales of justice cannot be balanced if we are selective of who the injustice can happen to.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:06 PM

6. That's the essence of justice...equality.

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:06 PM

7. I agree.

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:10 PM

12. Comparing Parscale to innocent dead black people IS white privilege

it certainly isn't justice or equality.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:09 PM

10. It's fucked up you compare his situation to innocent dead black people

Fuck that

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Response to JI7 (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:21 PM

25. It's fucked up you think this is acceptable on any level.

Accepting this behavior by our police is why so many can accept so much worse every single day. Where does the buck stop?

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:52 PM

50. No ,white supremacists like Parscale that support thug racist cops is why there is injustice

the buck stops with white people who should be more upset at actual injustice than at those who hate white supremacists.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:28 PM

36. What the fuck do you mean "it doesn't matter"?

It matters. It matters because we live in a world of systemic And chronic racial injustice and attempting to define “White Privilege” through the lens of the arrest of one moneyed, powerful white man is not a legitimate argument.

You are saying justice must be applied equally. Of course. But it is not, and the false equivalency here is that nothing that happened to Parscale happened to him because he was white, and a number of things that didn’t happen WAs because he is white.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:07 PM

8. Thank you, so tired of the cring over this fool . They actually had a cop friend

of his try to get him to come out first and he refused.

It was only after that and what his wife described with all the guns that they took him down.

He also didn't have his hands up even he came out and he is like 6' 8 .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:56 PM

52. Thank YOU and Yeah, I am a little flabbergasted right now

To coin an old term.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:04 PM

4. The fuck is this?!

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:05 PM

5. Elaborate.

Do you think injustice is okay based on the people it happens to?

In that case, there would be the same line of thought of those who think shooting an unarmed black man is okay. "He was a drug dealer so he deserved it."

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:08 PM

9. This piece of shit was not shot.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:10 PM

13. "It's okay that they tackled him unprovoked in his driveway while inebriated because he advocated

bad policy"


sounds similar to "It's okay they tackled him in his home unprovoked because he was a drug dealer." None of it is okay. I don't care who you are talking about.

If you think the standard of police conduct should be how they treated Parscale, that's one thing. But selective injustice is not justice.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:14 PM

16. This entire thread is white privilege. Fucking sickening to compare that

white supremacist trash that supports caging brown kids and killing Floyd to Breonna Taylor .

They brought out a fucking cop friend of his to get him to cooperate and he refused.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:17 PM

20. Nobody told him "You are under arrest."

They tackled him before anybody could say that. That's what is sickening, and accepting that behavior is just giving into the same neofascist BS that parscale has preached for years.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:20 PM

23. They were trying to get him to cooperate for a long time. Even had a fucking cop friend

try to get him to do it and he was refusing.

Fuck him and fuck anyone trying to compare him to innocent dead black people who he supports the killing of.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:22 PM

26. Do you accept this conduct as the gold standard?

Or is your sense of justice selective to those not in political power?

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:12 PM

14. He was tackled because of the possibility of having a firearm on his person...

he was then treated decently. Kid gloves, compared to how many black man have been treated.

Also, as if it needs to be explained, an inebriated person with a gun is far more dangerous.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:14 PM

17. He was tackled because police are poorly trained and think that somebody who is calm and drinking a

beer is a threat. The reason why we see unarmed black men murdered by police at the rate they are, is because this is somehow a gold standard of police conduct. Retrain police, with much higher expectations of them and we will see some positive changes.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:15 PM

18. He refused to cooperate and his wife told them he was armed.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:18 PM

21. His wife said "he has guns in the house." He was unprovoked, had no guns on him, and was calm.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:21 PM

24. So cops had good reason to assume he would be armed when he came out

Fucking piece of shit got off easy.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:23 PM

28. Armed with a beer.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:24 PM

29. Armed with a record of putting brown kids in cages.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:26 PM

33. Again. It sounds like your sense of justice is different from mine.

"if they did bad things while in political power they deserve much worse than anybody else." Is that your argument?

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:28 PM

34. Yes, my sense of justice is based on actual justice. Not on protecting

white supremacists .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #34)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:28 PM

35. Actual justice is blind. It doesn't know if somebody is a white supremacist.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:29 PM

38. No , actual justice is not blind. Actual justice actually recognizes injustice

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Response to JI7 (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:30 PM

39. ...what



If justice is selective, then it is not justice.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:32 PM

40. There is no justice and only white privilege when you compare what happened to Parscale

to black person being killed for sleeping .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:34 PM

43. White privilege is not a thing that should not happen to white people.

It is a thing that should happen to all people, regardless of race. If you think that what happened to parscale should happen to anybody else in that circumstance, then that's a valid argument. But "black people are shot and Parscale got off easy" is not an argument.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #43)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:36 PM

44. Of course it's an argument based on reality. Your argument is for white privilege

FUCK THAT.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:36 PM

45. My argument is that everybody should be treated equally and fairly. You clearly disagree.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #45)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:38 PM

46. Everyone isn't treated equally and comparing Parscale to a dead black girl

killed for sleeping is white privilege.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #46)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:40 PM

47. If we treated everybody equally, that black girl would be alive.

If we continue to seek vengeance for these cases, then we will only see more hell.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #47)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:44 PM

48. What is this "we" shit ? I am not part whatever you are. You are more upset at anger and hatred

towards white supremacist trash than the reality of brown kids being put in cages and a black girl being shot and killed for sleeping.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:05 PM

56. Once again you misconstrue reality. I'm upset at police brutality.

I can give less of a fuck about Parscale. And yes we do live in a society together. With people we don't like who have just as much a say in the structure of society as you do. Claiming to separate yourself from them or me doesn't change that fact.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #56)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:08 PM

57. Now doing the both sides thing with Parscale thinking it's ok for thug cops to kill innocent

being equal to those who hate people like that. Fuck that.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #57)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:12 PM

58. Parscale is trash. Also police who think it's okay to tackle somebody unprovoked

, not threatening anybody, are also trash. Those same cops probably did the same thing a couple hours earlier to a homeless man, breaking his occipital bone. But that's okay by you, right?

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #58)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:40 PM

61. No, the ones ok with it are those sympathetic to white racists

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #35)

Sat Oct 3, 2020, 04:56 AM

69. In fact Justice KNOWS you are a white supremacist,

There are laws on the books regarding hate speech. Justice is fully aware when someone is a white supremacist. If only the law was applied in a uniform fashion. Stop defending the right wing piece of shit.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:13 PM

59. Because why would anyone listen to a wife

Come on.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 3, 2020, 04:52 AM

68. He was tackled because he was WHITE,

if he wasn't white he would have been shot, and the body cams would have been off.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:09 PM

11. If Parscales had been treated the worst that a black man can be...

he would have been shot several times in the back or they would have kicked down his door killed him or his wife.

He got roughed up, he got exactly what his fascist Pig boss implied should happen.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:12 PM

15. Nobody's saying that's what happned.

What did happen was excessive force and unnecessary. "It's okay that happened to him because he's a fascist" sounds eerily like "That's okay it happened to him because he's a drug dealer." Both lines are complete BS in my opinion.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:16 PM

19. Being a fascist and drug dealer are not the same thing.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:19 PM

22. Yeah technically only one is an actual crime.

Neither warrants excessive force in itself.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:23 PM

27. Actually being a fascist that works to kill innocent black people

does warrant what he got and much more.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:24 PM

30. An ideology is not a crime.

Now we're encroaching on mccarthy territory.

Being a communist wasn't a crime either...

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:26 PM

32. Brown kids are actually being put in cages and black people are being killed for sleeping

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:25 PM

31. That was an interesting reply . Explains a lot.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:29 PM

37. I'd advise wording your point more cautiously, as you are BEGGING to be misunderstood.

You are correct that we should be calling out the system when it is unjust, even to our political opponents.
Both because it serves to make our argument more broadly appealing and because it's simply the right thing to do.

But the way you have worded your argument reeks of white resentment of black suffering being given special attention, which I'm assuming from the rest of your message is not actually your position or intent. And mind you, I say that as a white dude raised in the mid/deep south in the 70's and 80's.

Respectfully, I think white privilege doesn't even belong in the discussion you appear to be actually trying to have, which I perceive to be about the value of employing empathy for and opposition to injustice perpetrated upon our political opponents, at all, save possibly in the context of how those of us who have white privilege might most effectively use it to achieve the outcome of eliminating it.


And perhaps the best way to express what white privilege isn't is actually far more simple:

White privilege isn't your life being easy simply because you're white.
It's your life not being harder simply because you're not.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:33 PM

41. I get your point- I Think

 

I often see that when a white person gets a lenient sentence in a criminal case. The response, which is almost always true, is "if he were black he would be going to prison." But the reaction is almost always "he should go to prison!" But for me, one that thinks mass incarceration is bad, my response is not "Give him as bad as the black guy got" but rather "Hey good for him, but let's insist we give the black guy a less harsh sentence too"

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Response to RGTIndy (Reply #41)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:53 PM

51. Precisely

Thank you!

This is exactly what I mean. It isn't bad that we are light on white people for certain crimes-in fact, that is the standard I want to see across the board specifically for those it isn't applied to.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:33 PM

42. Police officers need to treat everyone equally

Any forma of violence should be used as a last resort not just willy nilly like they have been for ages. It was wrong what they did to Parscale, but i dont feel bad for him one bit.

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Response to dustyscamp (Reply #42)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:45 PM

49. I completely agree.

I feel a little bad in the sense he is a human being. But not close to as bad as I do seeing a black middle school student talk about the bruises the police put on him while he was with his friends.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:58 PM

53. He's not dead. He's not even badly bruised.

I've been bruised by the cops a few times. It's my white privilege I'm not dead.

This guy assaulted his partner and she told the cops he had guns. They were expecting trouble.

A black guy might not have survived a police encounter like that.

Nevertheless I think U.S. cops are prone to violence. Furthermore I don't think most of them have the temperament or the skills to use guns wisely.

Most U.S. police departments should be dissolved and rebuilt from the ground up.

Violent cops, and trigger happy cops, should be put on some sort of list, similar to sex offender lists, so they are never hired again for any law enforcement or security work.

If you look at police in more civilized nations they usually manage to take down the average bad guy with minimal damage to themselves, bystanders, and the bad guy. Even bad guys who are armed.




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Response to jorgevlorgan (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:59 PM

54. Fuck him, and...

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Response to Iggo (Reply #54)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:01 PM

55. To be clear: I am not pro parscale. I am anti-police using excessive force.

But while I'm at it: Fuck Brad Parscale and the horrible things he's advocated.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:15 PM

60. Yet another Leave the Republican Wife Beater alone! thread

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Response to kcr (Reply #60)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:45 PM

62. So you are against police brutality unless it is against someone you don't like?

 

Many white supremacists hold the same view.

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Response to RGTIndy (Reply #62)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:49 PM

63. Ridiculous

His bruise-covered wife called the police and told them he had guns. She didn't do that because she's a secret gun-control advocate. She was clearly ok with living in a home with those guns. It is utterly moronic to try to paint this guy as an innocent victim of police brutality. He was tackled to the ground after being told 5 times to get down. And then they were all nicey-poo to him, reassuring him that they were going to help him up, which they did with kid gloves.

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Response to kcr (Reply #63)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:55 PM

64. Right. You don't like him so he deserved it.

 

It's funny, a lot of people don't like injustice or brutality unless it happens to someone they don't like, and somehow those people always had it coming to them.

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Response to RGTIndy (Reply #64)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:56 PM

65. It's funny, a lot of people don't seem to give a shit about domestic violence

You would have a point if it had been actual police brutality. It's clear you have no clue what you're talking about.

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Response to kcr (Reply #65)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 11:16 PM

66. Well sure, obviously

 

If I don't cheer when a Trump guy and domestic abuser gets the shit kicked out of him by the cops, naturally it's because I don't give a shit about domestic violence. You got me.

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Response to RGTIndy (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 11:17 PM

67. "got the shit kicked out of him"

This is plainly false. He was tackled to the ground, then immediately sweet-talked and gently helped up.

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