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uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:10 AM Nov 2020

Are there any polls that show "defund the police" was reason for down ballot polling being so off?

Also

Where there ANY dem pols running on support of defunding the police? If not then how did ... slogan a relative very few people in protest were advocating get attached to the democratic party but racist slogans like White Power not get assigned to the republican party?

There were few if any dem pols that were running on defunding the police.

We shouldn't put up with that shit because there's no polling now showing "defund the police" is the reason for such upside down aggregate polling for dems that went republican down ballot.

BULLSHIT !!!

This "defund the police" reasoning for not winning so many projected down ballot races is an excuse for either the voting systems being off or the polling being off in earth splitting horrid ways.

Both can be true but there's no doubt both aren't probable to be true but dammit we know at least ONE is true.

We either have earth splitting horrid polling SCIENCE in this country that NO OTHER COUNTRY puts up with

or

Voting systems are horridly Earth splittingly off in this country that no other country puts up with.

For 20 years the majority "close" races go to Republicans during state wide and presidential elections but off years make it harder to screw with either polling or the voting machines cause it might be too many different systems to screw with.

***SOMETHINGS WRONG !!!***, I could care less WHEN the something wrong happens it's happening.

We can make ourselves feel better by blaming a stupid slogan vs our polling or voting systems but that's not being honest about the earth splitting horrid polling that NO OTHER COUNTRY puts up with for so long tilted towards one party in this country.

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Are there any polls that show "defund the police" was reason for down ballot polling being so off? (Original Post) uponit7771 Nov 2020 OP
The claims that no one ran on it are a bit disingenuous. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #1
That's not running on defunding the police, I'm asking was it part of dems platform? It wasn't uponit7771 Nov 2020 #2
Doesn't matter. Every democrats up and down the ticket was asked about it and Claustrum Nov 2020 #3
It was ***NOT*** a dem party slogan, what official credible source stated it was? thx in advance uponit7771 Nov 2020 #5
Perception is reality Pisces Nov 2020 #14
No its not, reality is reality. Bullshit begins when "Fuck Facts" ends conversations uponit7771 Nov 2020 #16
Only to those that accept the reality. You're spitting in the wind. Pisces Nov 2020 #20
Do you have any fact based information to back up the claim in your first sentence? Thx in advance uponit7771 Nov 2020 #25
I think you're in the category that likes to play dumb. Pisces Nov 2020 #35
Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position for one, two its not a common phrase for anyone ... uponit7771 Nov 2020 #40
Perception in politics is reality. Defund the police was blamed on us period. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #54
this Nimble_Idea Nov 2020 #21
The riots played out for months -- national TV and local. R B Garr Nov 2020 #24
So did Trumps white power demonstrations but that didn't become part of the Rep platform and uponit7771 Nov 2020 #27
So polls are the question? White power did become part R B Garr Nov 2020 #58
Yes, polls are the question ... No other country puts up with such bad polling uponit7771 Nov 2020 #59
I guess those kinds of issues are tied to individual R B Garr Nov 2020 #60
No, the polling in America has been horrible for the last 20 yrs down ballot to the point where dems uponit7771 Nov 2020 #63
THIS AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #9
"Where there ANY dem pols running on support of defunding the police? " mathematic Nov 2020 #44
No the poster did not, that was not her platform. Your statement is false, no dem RAN ON defunding uponit7771 Nov 2020 #46
I agree. Messaging is important. The language used is critical. Raven123 Nov 2020 #10
No one ran on defunding the police, its not a credible claim at this point uponit7771 Nov 2020 #15
No one ran on it, but Republicans said we did, and their followers believed it. yardwork Nov 2020 #23
Their followers believed it. Mariana Nov 2020 #41
Biden Isn't A Socialist RobinA Nov 2020 #56
It wasn't on our platform oswaldactedalone Nov 2020 #4
Yep, just what I thought but its becoming the excuse for why our polling in America is so horrid. We uponit7771 Nov 2020 #6
Agree! triron Nov 2020 #43
"Defund the police" is an active slogan used by the Democratic Socialists and other leftwing groups yardwork Nov 2020 #17
So, how do you propose to keep protestors using only Bettie Nov 2020 #29
Exactly. That is right out of their playbook MaryMagdaline Nov 2020 #33
two origin documents, one old, one new.....W. E. B. Du Bois, Black Reconstruction in America (1935) Celerity Nov 2020 #61
I was very suspecious snowybirdie Nov 2020 #7
+1 dalton99a Nov 2020 #11
+1, we don't know if it worked though there's no polls saying such just guesses. They're not even uponit7771 Nov 2020 #13
I believe it may have been coined by Putin and Co, and spread through leftwing groups. yardwork Nov 2020 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author snowybirdie Nov 2020 #8
We got kicked in the head in Iowa with this crap exboyfil Nov 2020 #12
At 61 years of age, I have seen this same play over and over MaryMagdaline Nov 2020 #18
I agree 100%. Institutional racism is real. That means institutions defend the racist structure. yardwork Nov 2020 #22
Exactly MaryMagdaline Nov 2020 #26
I agree 100% Bettie Nov 2020 #31
Yes, exactly oswaldactedalone Nov 2020 #37
Corporate McPravda made a big point of bringing it up. Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #28
+1, this is what I'm seeing. I've looked at FAUX news and even they aren't mentioning it as a reason uponit7771 Nov 2020 #32
Many millions of people are just stupid and will believe things that are untrue. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #30
True, but even FAUX News or any polling is claiming that was a reason why so many down ballot pollin uponit7771 Nov 2020 #34
Polling is the MOST useless tool in the political sphere Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #36
I've yet to see any data Sunsky Nov 2020 #38
With record turnout, it should not surprise anyone DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #39
STOP THE INFIGHTING!!!! Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #42
Asking a question about bad polling is not infighting uponit7771 Nov 2020 #45
We won't know what how all the polling correlates for some time. NT Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #48
The polls were not off for mail-in balloting but way off on in person voting. It's the machines Hestia Nov 2020 #47
I'm not calling you a nut, but this is nutsy thinking. Worthy of Breitbart. nt LAS14 Nov 2020 #50
"Voting systems are...off" sounds to me an awful lot like far right conspiracy thinking. LAS14 Nov 2020 #49
So does US polling being legitimate, one or the other has to be. No other country gets it this wrong uponit7771 Nov 2020 #51
My personal theory is that there is a significant portion of the right that are.. LAS14 Nov 2020 #53
Yes, we got that pinned on us and didn't win states, lost house seats and didn't do as well Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #52
It looks like it but is there any polling to confirm this? uponit7771 Nov 2020 #57
Vapor voting definitely needs to be examined BarackTheVote Nov 2020 #55
the problem is the slogan BainsBane Nov 2020 #62

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
1. The claims that no one ran on it are a bit disingenuous.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:16 AM
Nov 2020

"Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez called the proposed $1 billion cut to the New York Police Department's budget "a disingenuous illusion" and said it is does not go far enough to defund the police.

"Defunding police means defunding police. It does not mean budget tricks or funny math. It does not mean moving school police officers from the NYPD budget to the Department of Education's budget so that the exact same police remain in schools," Ocasio-Cortez said in a statement."

https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-says-nypds-1-billion-budget-cut-doesnt-go-far-enough-defund-police-1514523

Perhaps she wasn't explicitly running on it, but it was certainly a topic of conversation. She now seems to be running from the phrase, which is a smart move politically.

As someone noted in another thread, Cora Bush run openly on it and won.

It's an idiotic slogan, one of the worst in memory. We should probably blame the people who thought it was a good idea for making it an easy target for the GOP. They obviously and overtly falsely linked many politicians to it by association, but they do that with everything. We really should know better by now.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
2. That's not running on defunding the police, I'm asking was it part of dems platform? It wasn't
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:18 AM
Nov 2020

... as a whole

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
3. Doesn't matter. Every democrats up and down the ticket was asked about it and
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:25 AM
Nov 2020

the attack ads from the right painted every democrats running as "defunding the police". I try to stay out of this conversation but I think we, as a party, need to do a lot better with our slogans.

Pisces

(5,592 posts)
20. Only to those that accept the reality. You're spitting in the wind.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:49 AM
Nov 2020

Many Dems were asked about this and they were chanting Defund the Police at protests. Hell The View was arguing about and they asked every politician on their show if they agreed with the stance. It became a mainstream idea. We do need better messaging. This was scary to many because in their minds it meant abolish the police.

We can be mad about it and argue but this was the perception and therefore the reality to many

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
25. Do you have any fact based information to back up the claim in your first sentence? Thx in advance
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:53 AM
Nov 2020

I'm in the category of Americans who can't afford to make my own perceptions a reality, I have to do with facts, math science etc.

Pisces

(5,592 posts)
35. I think you're in the category that likes to play dumb.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:03 AM
Nov 2020

This is a very common phrase not one I made up for your benefit.

Lee Atwater
It was many years later, in the 1980's to be exact, that this debate took on a whole new meaning when the American political strategist Lee Atwater said simply and succinctly: “perception is reality”.Jul 16, 2017

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
40. Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position for one, two its not a common phrase for anyone ...
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:45 AM
Nov 2020

... neither is "Pink Gators for my Detroit players" among those who don't know Brooklyn rappers for instance.

I'm asking for facts, do you have any related to this subject?

Thx in advance

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
24. The riots played out for months -- national TV and local.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:52 AM
Nov 2020

That slogan was everywhere and constantly discussed. It was part of every demonstration, every discussion of what the protestors wanted. The demonstrations got constant media coverage.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
27. So did Trumps white power demonstrations but that didn't become part of the Rep platform and
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:54 AM
Nov 2020

... doesn't explain how down ballot races were so off in 16 and 20?

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
58. So polls are the question? White power did become part
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 01:13 PM
Nov 2020

of the Rep platform. It played out with Law and Order being the answer to Defund the Police.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
60. I guess those kinds of issues are tied to individual
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 01:19 PM
Nov 2020

candidates...? Which is why we have to be more careful with such disastrous phrases. But the phrase did originate with the protestors and there were months of visuals that reinforced where it came from.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
63. No, the polling in America has been horrible for the last 20 yrs down ballot to the point where dems
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 02:08 PM
Nov 2020

... wasted 50 million on a SC race that wasn't even close to be looked at not less invested in.

It's been this twisted for this long and no other country puts up with it

mathematic

(1,430 posts)
44. "Where there ANY dem pols running on support of defunding the police? "
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:07 AM
Nov 2020

You were literally asking if ANY dems were running on support of it and the poster showed that AOC supported it and she even clarified that defund the police doesn't mean anything other than defund the police.

Now, you're moving the goalposts because you don't like the answer. Why don't you like the answer? Are you under the impression that "defund the police" is a good slogan and popular idea?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
46. No the poster did not, that was not her platform. Your statement is false, no dem RAN ON defunding
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:11 AM
Nov 2020

... the police

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
41. Their followers believed it.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:55 AM
Nov 2020

Those people were never going to vote for Democrats in the first place.

RobinA

(9,878 posts)
56. Biden Isn't A Socialist
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:49 PM
Nov 2020

but that nonsense was spread far and wide. I don't know how many people I heard, in real life, not on the Internet, say that Biden was a Socialist or has "socialist ways."

oswaldactedalone

(3,489 posts)
4. It wasn't on our platform
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:26 AM
Nov 2020

But Republicans don’t run against Democrats, they run against the lies they tell about Democrats. My theory is that a protester got excited or indignant during the Floyd protests and made up a poster that said “defund the police.” Somehow that became a meme that the Republicans knew they could use.

Within a minute of seeing that sign, I told my wife that that is a disaster for Democrats and said the same thing here shortly after.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
6. Yep, just what I thought but its becoming the excuse for why our polling in America is so horrid. We
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:30 AM
Nov 2020

... shouldn't put up with that shit because there's no polling now saying that's the reason for such upside down aggregate polling for dems that went republican.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
17. "Defund the police" is an active slogan used by the Democratic Socialists and other leftwing groups
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:46 AM
Nov 2020

It was not part of the Democratic Party's platform, but it was and is a goal of some organized leftwing groups.

Republicans ran with that. People in rural areas were frightened by the images of urban protests they saw on TV and the internet - some of them fake and manipulated images. It's pretty easy to frighten conservative rural people right now. They live in a paranoid bubble.

I believe that this played a big part in Democrats doing less well than expected. I saw this on social media.

Bettie

(15,998 posts)
29. So, how do you propose to keep protestors using only
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:55 AM
Nov 2020

"approved" messages?

OR should there be no protests, in order to ensure that Republicans have nothing to use against people? Well, they'll make shit up anyway.

The fact is, Republicans can turn "Hello, how are you?" into an ad campaign about Democrats not respecting privacy if they've a mind to.

Maybe we need to work on counter-messaging. When they start in on "they want to defund the police" we put out vivid examples of police brutality caught on tape. It is there, it happens on a very regular basis. I get that right wingers like that, maybe those idiot white women get off on it too.

But, it is virtually impossible to tell protestors "don't say anything that might upset the right wingers!"

The fact is, our side needs to get better (and less polite) about messaging.

Celerity

(42,666 posts)
61. two origin documents, one old, one new.....W. E. B. Du Bois, Black Reconstruction in America (1935)
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 01:46 PM
Nov 2020
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/english/currentstudents/undergraduate/modules/fulllist/second/en213/syllabus2017-18/backtowardslavery_blackreconstruction.pdf

Du Bois wrote about "abolition-democracy", which advocated for the removal of institutions that were rooted in racist and repressive practices, including prisons, convict leasing, and white police forces.



The End of Policing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Policing



The End of Policing is a 2017 book by the American sociologist Alex S. Vitale. The author argues for the eventual abolition of the police, to be replaced variously by decriminalization or with non-law enforcement approaches, depending on the crime. Vitale argues that the function of police is to uphold inequalities of class, gender, race or sexuality. The book was met with mixed critical reception by academics and reviewers, including praise for Vitale's writing style and level of research, but criticism that his suggested political approaches needed further development. The book was variously criticized as not arguing against all forms of policing, or as failing to acknowledge research which suggests that police reduce the rate of crime.

Synopsis

The book is about police in the contemporary United States and the nature of policing. Vitale argues that the purpose of police is not to deal with instances of social ills, but to uphold inequalities in society on the axes of class, gender, race and sexuality. Historically, Vitale writes, the police have facilitated slavery and colonialism and suppressed workers' rights movements. He believes that the conditions for crime arise due to the implementation of conservative policies such as support for a trickle-down economics model, austerity, redlining and reduction of trade unions. Topics covered by the book include the criminalization of the mentally ill, homeless people and sex workers; policing of schools; the war on drugs; and border policing by the police, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the military and the National Guard.

Vitale believes that policing should be disbanded in full, with decriminalization of some crimes such as sex work and drug usage, and public infrastructure or non-law enforcement approaches for other crimes. For instance, government agencies and private companies could provide homeless people with permanent housing. He recommends drug rehabilitation centres for addicts, improved education and a different employment system, as well as more mental health care availability and open borders.

Vitale writes that police are trained by private companies in highly militarised ways. He says that diversifying the police force or requiring them to wear body cameras will not change the underlying systemic racism in police procedures. On the topic of gangs, he proposes that police and prisons do not deter gang involvement and that gangs are not comprised only of black and Latino people and may not have centralized leadership structures. Analysing the prohibition of alcohol in the U.S. from 1920 to 1933, Vitale writes that the amount of illegal alcohol consumed remained constant even as police increased their numbers of arrests. In the last chapter, Vitale says that the police have always served a political role, giving examples of police forces under dictatorships and U.S. police with regards to the Red Scares, COINTELPRO and surveillance of other social movements.

snip



snowybirdie

(5,191 posts)
7. I was very suspecious
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:33 AM
Nov 2020

When that phrase suddenly burst on public consciousness. I never heard an early protestor day it, not any leaders either. I suspect it was coined by our rightie friends and put on social media to go viral and piss off voters. It worked. A classic Roger Stone trick.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
13. +1, we don't know if it worked though there's no polls saying such just guesses. They're not even
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:38 AM
Nov 2020

... trying to explain the down ballot polling being so earth splittingly off.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
19. I believe it may have been coined by Putin and Co, and spread through leftwing groups.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:49 AM
Nov 2020

There is some very insidious propaganda being spread through local grassroots left organizations, unfortunately. I don't think the folks organizing new chapters of DSA, for instance, recognize that they are being targeted with propaganda from external sources. That's my opinion.

Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

exboyfil

(17,857 posts)
12. We got kicked in the head in Iowa with this crap
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:38 AM
Nov 2020

With no effective response. I don't watch very many political ads because I don't watch commercial TV besides NFL games. I did see it on ad supported Hulu and Youtube though - lots of it.

MaryMagdaline

(6,849 posts)
18. At 61 years of age, I have seen this same play over and over
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:49 AM
Nov 2020

The Democratic Party occasionally, more often than Republican Party, stands up for racial justice. And when we do, such as after assassinations or police killings, we get tagged with every protest line that might be heard in demonstrations from coast to coast, and we get tagged with any radical movements afoot in the land. So, in the minds of white Americans, we are the party of looters and we are the anti-police party. If one Dem uses the phrase “defund the police,” we ALL get tagged with it.

Quite frankly, I think we did as well as we could nationally after all the police killings and wall-to-wall national protests. It had the makings of 1968 all over again ... riots, infighting in the Democratic Party (recriminations from the left against the nominee for favoring the Crime Bill), assertion of law and order mantra by the authoritarian opponent. The difference is ... we won at the top of the ticket and did not defeat ourselves.

Democrats have paid a massive price for standing with black people, and for black people standing with us. It’s one of those things Joe Biden talks about when he says “What are you willing to lose for?” Occasionally we win elections, but more often than not, we lose elections. We just have to keep pushing the racial justice agenda and try not to point fingers and defeat ourselves.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
22. I agree 100%. Institutional racism is real. That means institutions defend the racist structure.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:51 AM
Nov 2020

Any threat to the racist structures is met with concerted pushback. And it will continue until we win.

Bettie

(15,998 posts)
31. I agree 100%
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:59 AM
Nov 2020

We need to keep fighting for those whose voices get hidden or stolen from them.

And we need to, as a party, get better at messaging and hitting back, harder when they mischaracterize our messages.

Can't bring a casserole to a (metaphorical) gunfight.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
32. +1, this is what I'm seeing. I've looked at FAUX news and even they aren't mentioning it as a reason
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:59 AM
Nov 2020

... the down ballot polling was so off.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,063 posts)
30. Many millions of people are just stupid and will believe things that are untrue.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:58 AM
Nov 2020

The repugs are great at messaging lies. And Americans are too ready to gobble those lies up. It really is as simple as that.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
34. True, but even FAUX News or any polling is claiming that was a reason why so many down ballot pollin
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:01 AM
Nov 2020

... polling was so off

Ferrets are Cool

(21,063 posts)
36. Polling is the MOST useless tool in the political sphere
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:03 AM
Nov 2020

People LIE all the time when polled. Anyone who puts any faith in polling hasn't been paying attention.

And on edit, why the HELL would I believe ANYTHING faux news says?

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
38. I've yet to see any data
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:07 AM
Nov 2020

Just people's opinions stated as facts We're such freethinkers here one man said it or this person in authority said it and that's all the evidence needed.
Well, one fact we know. The black community was pivotal in this election and "defend the police" was more than a slogan to us. We voted for our lives. As with every issue, some will be for and some against, however, most of us understood what those words meant. Since we are throwing out opinions here, IMO the slogan and the events surrounding the slogan, the BLM movement might have energized some of those new and younger voters to turn out for the Democratic party this election.

DeminPennswoods

(15,246 posts)
39. With record turnout, it should not surprise anyone
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:09 AM
Nov 2020

that many Rs may well have split their tickets, voting for Biden, but for Rs down ballot.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
47. The polls were not off for mail-in balloting but way off on in person voting. It's the machines
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:30 AM
Nov 2020

that are the problem and have been since Turdblossom forced them on the states. Why do you think Putin Party has been pushing mail-in ballots for decades.

Sorry for thread drift but this will need to be addressed as soon as new administration and the elections work group/committee's are sat. It is the reason Moscow Mitch didn't want money sent for elections - he knows who the machines benefit. How is it statistically possible for the ENTIRE COUNTRY to be split 50/50? No...I think the in person machines votes are way off.

A deep dive will need to be done for mail in balloting 2020 results and looks like it needs to be done nationwide in the future - states are able to handle the massive uptick in ballots, especially with webcams and professionalism beaming to homes worldwide.

Just imagine where we would be today without mail in voting? 75-25 Biden for mail-in. I think it is why Drumpf is so surprised at his loss - Putin told him not to worry, he machines would give him the votes he needed, but the States thwarted it by stepping up and being Grown Assed Adults heading it off at the pass.

In person machines, as they are today, have got to go...

LAS14

(13,749 posts)
49. "Voting systems are...off" sounds to me an awful lot like far right conspiracy thinking.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:45 AM
Nov 2020

The kind of divisive, non-logical ideas the Russians and Iranians want to foment on both ends of the political spectrum. Polling is obviously not as reliable as it once was. There are several rational theories about that that need to be explored.

But enough with conspiracy theories about voting systems, OK? We don't need to join the bandwagon of destruction of our norms and institutions.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
51. So does US polling being legitimate, one or the other has to be. No other country gets it this wrong
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:25 PM
Nov 2020

... time and time again for this long tilted towards one party.

I can say I don't know what's wrong but it would be false on his face to say that everything is okay with the polling

LAS14

(13,749 posts)
53. My personal theory is that there is a significant portion of the right that are..
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:28 PM
Nov 2020

... so angry at our institutions and norms that they're thumbing their noses at polsters, either by lying (other party or "undecided" as happened in Maine) or by not picking up the phone.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
52. Yes, we got that pinned on us and didn't win states, lost house seats and didn't do as well
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:27 PM
Nov 2020

as we hoped in the Senate...but that was always a long shot. The lack of a stimulus was also blamed on us as well unfairly. I believe it hurt us also. I drive by people getting tossed out of their homes, and see the food lines. And honestly, I feel like shit about this. My hubs got a job in the 11th hour, but the suffering is terrible. People will die. Soon it will be cold and many places the homeless lived at are shut down due to the pandemic. We have families living in their cars or worse. Does anyone believe we will get a better deal after the election unless we get the two senate seats?

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
55. Vapor voting definitely needs to be examined
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:42 PM
Nov 2020

This is our opportunity to do so, and we need to take it. That said, I think another explanation, or at least a strong contributing factor is a simple one: a lot of Republicans split their ticket.

I doubt “defund the police” pushed the needle far enough to actually tilt anyone away from voting for a Democrat down-ticket—if they cared that much, they’d have voted for Mr Law and Order, too. But the BLM movement and the police brutality it provoked definitely energized young voters to come to the polls for Biden—it made them realize that fascism wasn’t just a threat, but an urgent one. I know plenty of young people who weren’t planning on voting period until the protests exposed how close to fascism we actually were.

It’s a serious miscalculation to disparage the kids who were out there protesting all summer. If they don’t show up in 2022, we’ll lose the House.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
62. the problem is the slogan
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 01:49 PM
Nov 2020

not the policy. What is the point of branding something "defund the police" when it doesn't actually men defunding the police?

It doesn't matter than most didn't explicitly run on the slogan. The GOP tethered the party to it. That and "socialism" was central to their rhetoric against Democrats. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

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