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mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:30 PM Nov 2020

I don't think Trump would have received over 50 million votes, had it not been for him having

the audacity to hold all his many many in-person campaign pep rallies, dangerous as they were with an epidemic raging across the country.

Because of the epidemic, and because Joe Biden cares more about the safety of the voters, he was at a huge disadvantage in the 2020 campaign because he didn't run any in-person campaign pep rallies like Trump did throughout his campaign and even before the campaign began. Had there been no epidemic, and had Joe Biden been able to run the same amount of campaign rallies as Fat Hitler, I would have to think that Biden's margin of victory could very well have been more like 35 or 45 million votes rather than 5 or so million.

This was not an even playing field for Biden. Just imagine seeing all the people who would have attended Joe's rallies, giving him thunderous applause, and chanting things like Lock Him Up, Lock Him Up. It would have been so much more exciting and absolutely contagious in a healthy kind of way. But he didn't do it because he cared about the voters and the country. As hindered as Joe was in that respect, it's amazing to think he STILL trounced the incumbent imbecile as much as he did. Even though I didn't think so a year ago, Biden proved to me he was the best candidate to beat Trump. He ran a magnificent campaign.

Under very difficult circumstances for Biden, he schooled Trump big time. Not only can't Trump win a fair fight, but with the way he took advantage of pep rallies, lying, cheating, and tweeting, the dumb motherfucker can't even win an unfair fight.

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I don't think Trump would have received over 50 million votes, had it not been for him having (Original Post) mtnsnake Nov 2020 OP
I guess I don't understand why people have to have live rallies The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #1
It's also about a show of dominance LeftInTX Nov 2020 #7
People don't go to be convinced In It to Win It Nov 2020 #16
Exactly MLAA Nov 2020 #18
Those rallies didn't convince anyone. rustysgurl Nov 2020 #2
A point I was trying to make is that Biden didn't have the same opportunity to hold HIS rallies mtnsnake Nov 2020 #6
Understood rustysgurl Nov 2020 #13
The rallies were televised.... LeftInTX Nov 2020 #10
They sure were. When it came to rallies, the TV media gave most of their attention to the lunatics mtnsnake Nov 2020 #15
I don't see that they served any purpose other than stroking Donny Bodybags's ego and Squinch Nov 2020 #3
I disagree. I think his rallies helped to attract every piece of vermin that had never voted before mtnsnake Nov 2020 #4
They had to know they could relate to him before they decided to buy their MAGA Squinch Nov 2020 #5
Incumbency is powerful, even disastrous incumbency greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #8
I don't know if the rallies did much but... jcgoldie Nov 2020 #9
I agree. FWIW. Boomerproud Nov 2020 #11
Excellent point. I couldn't agree more. mtnsnake Nov 2020 #12
Not just rallies Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #14
Not the rallies but they did have a ground campaign which Biden team didn't JI7 Nov 2020 #17
Yup, that too, which shows all the more that Biden did so well despite mtnsnake Nov 2020 #19
Agree, considering everything we were up against we still won JI7 Nov 2020 #20

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
1. I guess I don't understand why people have to have live rallies
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:37 PM
Nov 2020

in order to be persuaded to vote for someone. I get that this might be true but I don't understand why.

LeftInTX

(24,554 posts)
7. It's also about a show of dominance
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:51 PM
Nov 2020

Why show up and vote for Biden if everyone is voting for Trump?

Also the rallies were free advertising... The media showed them ad nauseam...

In It to Win It

(8,143 posts)
16. People don't go to be convinced
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:26 PM
Nov 2020

When they go to rallies they are already convinced.

You go to a Trump rally because you are already voting for Trump, and you probably enjoy the show... because they find this man entertaining.

rustysgurl

(1,040 posts)
2. Those rallies didn't convince anyone.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:41 PM
Nov 2020

They were already convinced and knew for whom they were going to vote. Those rallies were like music concerts. "Hey, let's go see our guy. He's going to tell it like it is and we can worship him from afar."

Those votes were already in the bag, IMHO.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
6. A point I was trying to make is that Biden didn't have the same opportunity to hold HIS rallies
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:51 PM
Nov 2020

on the same level playing field as Trump had.

rustysgurl

(1,040 posts)
13. Understood
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:01 PM
Nov 2020

Biden did have rallies, but they weren't paid for (or in most cases NOT paid for) by our taxes. Yes, Trump made more noise with his rallies and maybe got some more attention from networks (until they pulled the plug on him for his outrageous lies). But I still don't think it got him more votes.

LeftInTX

(24,554 posts)
10. The rallies were televised....
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:55 PM
Nov 2020

If they weren't televised, Trump wouldn't bother.

It was just more reality show for him

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
15. They sure were. When it came to rallies, the TV media gave most of their attention to the lunatics
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:22 PM
Nov 2020

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
3. I don't see that they served any purpose other than stroking Donny Bodybags's ego and
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:43 PM
Nov 2020

spreading Covid.

You don't go to a rally of a candidate you aren't expecting to vote for. Rallies are for the faithful.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
4. I disagree. I think his rallies helped to attract every piece of vermin that had never voted before
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:45 PM
Nov 2020

to come out of the woodwork for the first time in their lives and register to vote for someone they could now relate to.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
5. They had to know they could relate to him before they decided to buy their MAGA
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:47 PM
Nov 2020

gear and gas up the camper van.

jcgoldie

(11,584 posts)
9. I don't know if the rallies did much but...
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:53 PM
Nov 2020

I do believe that COVID was a net plus for Trump. I have seen many here hypothesize that Trump would have won without the virus based on how close the election was. When you look at how voters in many states responded to exit poll questions on the virus, however, I think its precisely the opposite. Yes Trump's response was a train wreck and made the case numbers and deaths worse by a magnitude of who even knows... but responses indicate that people want to join Trump in wishing the virus away rather than addressing the problem because doing so is hard and inconvenient. Do not underestimate people's ability to ignore reality staring them in the face. They know Joe Biden will shut things down if that's what scientists recommend. They know that Trump will continue to deny reality and try to pretend it doesn't exist. Many of them chose the fake reality in which it just doesn't exist over the real world in which dealing with it is hard.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
12. Excellent point. I couldn't agree more.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:00 PM
Nov 2020

With so many people, even many of the ones who thought Trump was an asshole, I'm sure that many of them voted for Trump anyway for the reason you described, because they'd rather go with someone with no restrictions than with someone with lots of restrictions. Trump offered them an easier, more convenient short term solution, as unhealthy and unwise as it was.

Turin_C3PO

(13,650 posts)
14. Not just rallies
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:02 PM
Nov 2020

but also door knocking. The Dems didn't do it because of the pandemic but if we had masked up and maintained social distance we could have done it.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
17. Not the rallies but they did have a ground campaign which Biden team didn't
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:32 PM
Nov 2020

becsuse of safety issues which Trump doesn't care about.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
19. Yup, that too, which shows all the more that Biden did so well despite
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:56 PM
Nov 2020

being at such a disadvantage. That's one more reason why I think Biden's margin of victory would have been much more monumental than it was if they both had played by the same rules during the 2020 campaign,

JI7

(89,174 posts)
20. Agree, considering everything we were up against we still won
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 04:28 PM
Nov 2020

held into the midwestern blue wall and flipped 2 states.

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