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madaboutharry

(40,153 posts)
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:46 AM Nov 2020

The "verifying signatures" argument is bullshit, and they know it.

Ballots in the United States are secret ballots. There is no signature on a ballot. Any signatures were thrown out on election day, and the republicans know this.

They are gaslighting their own supporters.

The entire Republican Party is composed of charlatans.

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Walleye

(30,729 posts)
1. These un-Americans are against the secret ballot too, probably
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:50 AM
Nov 2020

Once They’ve repealed the civil service protections, they can fire people for voting against them.

handmade34

(22,755 posts)
2. yes
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:28 AM
Nov 2020

"The entire Republican Party is composed of charlatans"

anyone still calling themselves a Republican, has lost any respect I may have had for them

ronatchig

(575 posts)
3. That is giving charlatans a very
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:36 AM
Nov 2020

bad rap. Many of the thugs should be hauled before the Hague for crimes against humanity. The rest ought to be hauled before the "I'm to evil and stupid to breathe free air court."

jaxexpat

(6,703 posts)
5. Whoa there pardner.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:45 AM
Nov 2020

Every time I've ever voted I've had to sign off on the voter roll, a ledger like list. It's never the ballot itself that is signed. It is, however, a record for evidence of voting. It's how you can be prevented from voting more than once or how you discover that someone else has voted in your place. It's also how a person's voting history and party registration can be collected. THAT is where the signature matching would take place.

Appreciate your enthusiasm but when a premise is based on misinformation I must object. Misplaced outrage helps nothing. Makes me wonder if you're not the "gas-lighter" after all and also if you've ever even voted.

The real argument about verifying signatures is it's ultimate subjectivity. Over time and circumstance an individual's signature will inevitably change. It is NOT a science which recommends itself for proving identity. There is no way to support a judgement which would have be made on the spot, at the polls, by a "trained" poll watcher. That is the Republican scam.

madaboutharry

(40,153 posts)
7. What are you talking about?
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:49 AM
Nov 2020

The discussion is about mail in ballots where the envelope has an affidavit that is signed. There is no ledger that is signed off of when you vote by mail.

"Makes me wonder if you're not the "gas-lighter" after all and also if you've ever even voted"

Go away with that kind of bs. I vote in every election, even school board elections.

jaxexpat

(6,703 posts)
11. Wherein on your original post was there any mention of mail in ballots?
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 09:45 AM
Nov 2020

But since that is the subject, this brings me to a question. How else but the signature on the mail-in ballot sleeve would there be any means to confirm an individual's voting history, in this election and/or in previous elections? If the sleeve is indeed destroyed/discarded there would still need to be a means to prove that voter's participation. There would need to be a record of voting whether it was in person or by mail-in. Like a ledger but not signed in person at the polling place. I don't know the actual mechanism for that but knowing the half-truth methodology of GOP propaganda I suspect they have named their target so as to create the greatest confusion and suspicion where there are usually logical explanations. So often our outrage in the political realm is manufactured by the parties. I don't like being manipulated more than I don't like conservatives. When it's conservatives doing the manipulation, I really don't like it.

Truly sorry to hurt feelings.

DSandra

(999 posts)
12. That's why you can't negotiate with a party full of conartists
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 09:53 AM
Nov 2020

They have little to no interest in governing, all they care about is fleecing.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
13. Signature verification is only available while an absentee ballot, mail in or not,
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 09:56 AM
Nov 2020

is still with it's envelope. After the signature has been verified, the ballot is separated from its envelope, so there is no signature to check. In states where a ballot must be postmarked by election day, some signatures might be with a mail in ballot until it is processed, which might actually be several days after the election, but once the signature has been verified and the ballot has been separated from its envelope, there is, indeed, no signature to check.

DownriverDem

(6,206 posts)
16. Their supporters
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 10:18 AM
Nov 2020

are beyond help. They have been told to hate us and that is exactly how they feel. Sadly it's made me hate them too.

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