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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:36 AM Nov 2020

Guess who contacted the two GOP Wayne County members right before they said they want to rescind???



This is shocking: Trump apparently "reached out" to the two Republican Wayne County Commissioners. The next day, they signed an affidavit saying they want to rescind their votes to certify the results.

Channeling @BrendanNyhan, what you say if you saw this in another country.



"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise"




EDIT: OH MY!!!

Guess who's in legal trouble over a 501(c)4??

Wayne County Ethics Board says pro-Trump election official Monica Palmer could face “jail time”
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/wayne-county-ethics-board-says-pro-trump-election-official-monica-palmer-could-face-jail-time/34197/
Now we may be getting some of that answer. It turns out one of the rogue officials in question, Monica Palmer, just happened to have an ethics hearing scheduled for this morning. The ethics board ended up announcing that there is a “formal complaint against her for violating campaign finance laws with her 501c4” and that it “could result in jail time.”
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Guess who contacted the two GOP Wayne County members right before they said they want to rescind??? (Original Post) Roland99 Nov 2020 OP
THis Is A Criminal Action, Yes? Me. Nov 2020 #1
They need to be testifying under oath right now C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #2
The racists were deeply honored dalton99a Nov 2020 #3
"Can I offer you a pardon, Monica?" struggle4progress Nov 2020 #33
+1 live love laugh Nov 2020 #51
The faces of American fascists.... paleotn Nov 2020 #34
+ agree. nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #50
Not different at all. Marcuse Nov 2020 #60
This was a 1939 rally of the German-American Bund, so the banner on the right that says.... RussellCattle Nov 2020 #61
This "reaching out" is nothing short of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2020 #4
Doesn't this remind anyone else of organized crime behavior? raccoon Nov 2020 #48
Trump is the biggest baby in American history. LakeVermilion Nov 2020 #5
It does not work that way trumpy. The two Repugs gave their souls to Trump. But plop!! riversedge Nov 2020 #6
This needs to be verified. madaboutharry Nov 2020 #7
Seems trump reached out only to "thank them" Roland99 Nov 2020 #9
Another perfect phone call... Volaris Nov 2020 #46
Maybe Biden shouldn't say he doesn't want to prosecute Trump crimes, cause that seems like a crime. dem4decades Nov 2020 #8
It's the executive branch doing its job. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #15
He should have left it at that. Why float the not prosecuting Trump idea? dem4decades Nov 2020 #18
I think it's the same thing Pelosi did about impeachment. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #19
I'm okay with that. dem4decades Nov 2020 #27
Nancy had to be dragged kicking and screaming into impeachment. If it was left up to her not_the_one Nov 2020 #35
Best to let it go.... LenaBaby61 Nov 2020 #38
well, intentional or not.... getagrip_already Nov 2020 #29
It shouldn't be a President's issue to be concerned with. whopis01 Nov 2020 #36
I think its naive to think any President, D or R, does not bear influence LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #63
I didn't say a President doesn't have influence over what is prosecuted. whopis01 Nov 2020 #64
That is OK because Biden would not be the one prosecuting Trump crimes, avebury Nov 2020 #40
It looks like my guess may have been right! Towlie Nov 2020 #10
It all fun and games 4Q2u2 Nov 2020 #11
Rump needs jail time Dem2 Nov 2020 #12
JFC NCDem47 Nov 2020 #13
Just another criminal action by the mob boss in the WH Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #14
It would seem it is a bit late to change their vote and was it in a meeting? I don't think so. LiberalFighter Nov 2020 #16
Sitting president interfering with lawful certification of the election. Seems criminal to me. yardwork Nov 2020 #17
Well, it's definitely an interference in wnylib Nov 2020 #21
I meant criminal behavior on the part of Trump. yardwork Nov 2020 #25
Hard to prove, though, since he uses wnylib Nov 2020 #26
Graham did the same in GA. Routine Republican corruption. Marcuse Nov 2020 #37
Isn't this against the law???? UCmeNdc Nov 2020 #20
The people who are screaming "voter fraud" are committing some real election fraud. Initech Nov 2020 #22
Of course. Projection is their MO. wnylib Nov 2020 #39
Kick and Recommend Mike 03 Nov 2020 #23
Well, that thot sure plickened... ananda Nov 2020 #24
Another perfect phone call with a side of quid pro quo. Criminal enterprise top to bottom. Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #28
At the very least, she won't be doing that job any more. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #30
Psst, I hear you are having some federal "difficulties", maybe you could do me a favor........ getagrip_already Nov 2020 #31
I prefer, "I am Jack's cancerous colon." Aviation Pro Nov 2020 #32
Make her life miserable... Jon King Nov 2020 #41
As usual, the PalmerReport is somewhat hyperbolic. onenote Nov 2020 #42
Got to kick and recommend this again...up to the top, the "Trump Crooks" won't stop... Stuart G Nov 2020 #43
K&R for exposure diva77 Nov 2020 #44
One of them is saying " he was nice" ismnotwasm Nov 2020 #45
Wait. expressed concern for her safety? GusBob Nov 2020 #47
both of these idiots got doxxed...they were getting hit from both sides Roland99 Nov 2020 #53
Aw, look who needs a pardon! Iggo Nov 2020 #49
Lock these idiots up. The governor could also Rice4VP Nov 2020 #52
It doesn't matter for what reason he called the Commissioner. kentuck Nov 2020 #54
"Shocking" should be in quotes. ecstatic Nov 2020 #55
Haha.. Didn't work.. the 3 Stooges went Cha Nov 2020 #56
Is it a federal charge? If so, Trump's call can be considered McCamy Taylor Nov 2020 #57
Desperate J. Flopsweat? Hassler Nov 2020 #58
Lock her up and toss put the key. BigmanPigman Nov 2020 #59
why is that "shocking" Skittles Nov 2020 #62
County Republican canvassers can't rescind their votes to certify election, says Secretary of State Botany Nov 2020 #65

Me.

(35,454 posts)
1. THis Is A Criminal Action, Yes?
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:39 AM
Nov 2020

if anyone is going to make it impossible for JB to just move along it will be the villain himself

paleotn

(17,783 posts)
34. The faces of American fascists....
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:42 AM
Nov 2020

Not all that different from this motely collection of scum.



My father is still spinning in his grave, along with the rest of his generation. Like Woody Guthrie's guitar, dad was a machine that killed fascists.

RussellCattle

(1,506 posts)
61. This was a 1939 rally of the German-American Bund, so the banner on the right that says....
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:21 PM
Nov 2020

...."Stop Jewish Domination of Christian Americans" is no surprise. The one on the left that says "Read America's Fearless Press" surprised me until I realized it was referring to a newspaper called "The Free American", no doubt the Bund's own paper.

raccoon

(31,093 posts)
48. Doesn't this remind anyone else of organized crime behavior?
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 01:10 PM
Nov 2020

Maybe somebody made them “a deal they couldn’t refuse?”

LakeVermilion

(1,023 posts)
5. Trump is the biggest baby in American history.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:40 AM
Nov 2020

Worse yet, his followers will do things for him that they wouldn't do for their own family members. They all need "tough" love.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
9. Seems trump reached out only to "thank them"
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:46 AM
Nov 2020


Sorry - I needed to be more precise with the tweet. AP reports that Trump ‘reached out’ to the Republican canvassers to express gratitude Tuesday evening. They signed affidavits the next day saying the Wayne County votes should not have been certified



yeah...right. and pull *this* leg and it plays Jingle Bells

Phoenix61

(16,955 posts)
19. I think it's the same thing Pelosi did about impeachment.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:16 AM
Nov 2020

She said several times she didn’t want impeachment but then was able to say it had to happen, overwhelming evidence etc. Especially with the senate runoff races in GA. If Biden comes out screaming about sending Twitler to jail it will fire up his base in Ga. Best to let it go....for now.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
35. Nancy had to be dragged kicking and screaming into impeachment. If it was left up to her
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:44 AM
Nov 2020

it never would of happened. Instead, she stalled so long that the eventual denied subpoenas (which they should have KNOWN would happen) didn't have time to work their way through the courts to be ruled on. So, in effect, her delay, which got NO testimony from anyone relevant, was what allowed the republicans to continue their treason. And it set the precedent of NO ONE having to respond to a subpoena, because there is no punishment (unless you are a democrat, of course).

Biden should be staying mum about accountability, and let his AG do that job. But he is now sending out floaters about "for the good of the country".

Sorry Joe, the country IS divided and will stay divided unless there is some accountability.

getagrip_already

(14,265 posts)
29. well, intentional or not....
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:33 AM
Nov 2020

It now has the media focusing on trumps criminal liabilities post election. It is beginning to sink in just how corrupt and criminal he is personally.

And that happened when biden simply said he wouldn't get involved.

He may not have planned it, but it couldn't have been more pitch perfect to get the media to pick it up and talk about it across multiple news cycles.

Joe has been at this game a long time. He still knows how to play tunes.

whopis01

(3,468 posts)
36. It shouldn't be a President's issue to be concerned with.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:52 AM
Nov 2020

Crimes should be prosecuted.

Something has gone wrong with the system when the President has to get involved with whether or not a crime is prosecuted.


(I am talking in general terms - not about Biden specifically. I believe that he is taking this approach, and letting the DOJ and the state-level equivalents handle that. At least I hope that is his approach - we shall certainly see.)

LiberalLovinLug

(14,154 posts)
63. I think its naive to think any President, D or R, does not bear influence
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:51 AM
Nov 2020

on what cases the AG they appointed will prosecute. No matter what they say for the camera. I'm sure its part of the interview and assessment before one is announced as the pick. I don't think most Presidents care about the many other cases that are not as politically toxic, that the AG would be working on too. But the implications in going after Trump, a former President, are way too great for a current President not to have a say whether to drop the case and move on, or go to war. One thing Biden and the Dems are probably right on, it would consume his first term.

But sorry, even IF, we lose the race in 2024 because of the propaganda onslaught we will hear on Fox and probably even the rest of the MSM "Did the Democrats go Too Far?........We'll ask our Republican guest after the break"

We still should go full Def Con 1 on their asses. If we lose in 2024, but send off Trump and a few other Republicans off to jail, and expose all the shit they did, including the crimes we never knew about, at least a precedent will be set. The country will be able to gain respect again, from the world but also from Americans themselves. Even if its only half of them. Its time to dig out the dirt in all the corners, and have a fresh start.

whopis01

(3,468 posts)
64. I didn't say a President doesn't have influence over what is prosecuted.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:34 AM
Nov 2020

I said it is a failure of the system when they do. And I stand by that.

Criminal activity should be prosecuted. Period.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
11. It all fun and games
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:52 AM
Nov 2020

Until you are standing in front of a Judge under Oath.
Jail time has a way of changing one's perspective A LOT.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
12. Rump needs jail time
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:54 AM
Nov 2020

This is so highly inappropriate - he needs to be prosecuted for this, along with his lackey Graham.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
21. Well, it's definitely an interference in
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:19 AM
Nov 2020

the election to overturn the will of the people, thus disenfranchising them. But I don't know if a specific law is being broken because they can claim that they want a vote audit before certifying the votes. But is it legal to rescind certification once it's done?

yardwork

(61,420 posts)
25. I meant criminal behavior on the part of Trump.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:21 AM
Nov 2020

It seems like the president is interfering in the lawful review and certification of votes involving his re-election.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
26. Hard to prove, though, since he uses
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:26 AM
Nov 2020

mob type innuendoes and hints instead of direct orders. And the canvassers would never admit or testify that he pressured them.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,535 posts)
30. At the very least, she won't be doing that job any more.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:35 AM
Nov 2020

Jail would be the best outcome, clearly, but anything negative coming her way is just dessert.

getagrip_already

(14,265 posts)
31. Psst, I hear you are having some federal "difficulties", maybe you could do me a favor........
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:36 AM
Nov 2020

Maybe I could make those go away..... just sayin.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
41. Make her life miserable...
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:28 PM
Nov 2020

These low level people need to be hammered. They don't have Trump's resources. If they want to do his bidding, make them pay. Boycott where she works, shun her, make her life miserable. We have to weaken this Trump cult piece by piece.

onenote

(42,387 posts)
42. As usual, the PalmerReport is somewhat hyperbolic.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:29 PM
Nov 2020

First, the Wayne County Ethics Board can issue penalties for violations of the Ethics Ordinance of no more than $500. They can't put people in prison.

Second, Palmer doesn't explain what the 501(c)(4) issue but that is a section of the Internal Revenue Code and, again, its impossible to tell what he thinks has occurred here but, again, the Michigan Ethics Board has no jurisdiction to enforce the Internal Revenue Code.

More about the situation here:https://www.candgnews.com/news/complaint-filed-against-wayne-county-board-of-canvassers-chairperson-119174

ismnotwasm

(41,922 posts)
45. One of them is saying " he was nice"
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:34 PM
Nov 2020

And expressed concern for her safety. She say she she felt no pressure.

She is full is full of shit

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
54. It doesn't matter for what reason he called the Commissioner.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 03:22 PM
Nov 2020

He should not have called. It appears to be election manipulation. In other words, attempted fraud.

ecstatic

(32,567 posts)
55. "Shocking" should be in quotes.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 03:24 PM
Nov 2020

Unfortunately, it's not shocking at all. trump is the most corrupt, criminal minded POS "president" of my lifetime.

BigmanPigman

(51,433 posts)
59. Lock her up and toss put the key.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 07:31 PM
Nov 2020

This is America, bitch. YOU do not write the rules, you get to go to jail for breaking them. Fuck you!!!!! Rot in Hell throughout eternity in agonizing pain!

Botany

(70,296 posts)
65. County Republican canvassers can't rescind their votes to certify election, says Secretary of State
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 09:37 AM
Nov 2020

Source: MLive

Two Republicans serving on the Wayne County Board of Canvassers want to rescind their votes to certify results of the general election.

Monica Palmer and Willam Hartmann initially voted against certifying countywide election results during a Tuesday meeting, later changing their minds and voting in favor of certification on the condition that an independent audit is conducted.

snip

The Secretary of State’s office, however, argues there is no legal mechanism for Palmer and Hartmann to rescind their votes. All 83 counties in Michigan had certified their elections as of Thursday, Nov. 18.

“Their job is done and the next step in the process is for the Board of State Canvassers to meet and certify,” said Tracy Wimmer, spokesperson for Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson.

Read more: https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/11/wayne-county-republicans-cant-rescind-their-votes-to-certify-election-says-secretary-of-state.html

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